Talk:Kim Hong-do

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 * actually born in Ansan?
 * why don't we know when he died?
 * did he really sneak over to Tsushima and copy a map of Japan?

Date of death
This article says 1806, but page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_painting#Joseon_Dynasty says "1818?"

The Turkish article says 1806

The French article says "1806, but perhaps 1816 or 1818".

The Korean article says "1806년 이전" i.e. 1806 or earlier in the introduction, and 1816 to 1818 in the side-frame

What says the rest of the web ?


 * Britannica avoids. British Museum avoids.


 * Page "http://atelier.de.francais.over-blog.com/article-23729522.html" (Chungbuk National University, South Korea) says 1805, may be later.


 * https://www.koreana.or.kr:444/months/news_view.asp?b_idx=389&lang=en&page_type=list (The Korean Foundation is affiliated with the South-Korean Ministry of Foreign Affairs) says 1806.


 * http://www.flickr.com/photos/89235234@N00/8375219455/ says Kim Hong-do 1745-1814 ... musée Guimet (Paris, France)

As usual, none of these assertions (except from the last one) is backed by any quotation, and no one is discussing about the discrepancy 1805-1818.

An indication could be Yi Ki-baek (New History of Korea, p246) that asserts : "the popularity of genre painting constitued an artistic protest against yangban Confucian society, an assertion of the worth of all humanity".

Pldx1 (talk) 17:05, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 12 July 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move these articles as a group; please initiate individual move requests as necessary. Dekimasu よ! 16:58, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

– They are Korean historic figures. WP:Naming conventions (Korean) says that Revised Romanization of Korean should be used for no established English spelling. Gim and not hyphenating the syllables of given names, e.g. Gim Hongdo, Gim Jongjik, Gim Busik, and Gim Yusin, comply with Revised Romanization system. But Kim (Korean surname) and hyphenating are very common in the real world. This needs movers' opinions. Thank you. Sawol (talk) 07:23, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Gim Hongdo → Kim Hong-do
 * Gim Jongjik → Kim Jong-jik
 * Gim Busik → Kim Bu-sik
 * Gim Yu-sin → Kim Yu-sin
 * Comment. Here's the full list of articles about Korean people with surname Gim obtained by prefix search,


 * Gim Al-ji
 * Gim Allon
 * Gim Bo-eun
 * Gim Busik
 * Gim Du-han
 * Gim Du-ryang
 * Gim Eung-hwan
 * Gim Gu-ra
 * Gim Heum-sun
 * Gim Hongdo
 * Gim Hyowon
 * Gim Ikhun
 * Gim In-mun
 * Gim Jangsaeng
 * Gim Jeong-ho
 * Gim Jeong-hui
 * Gim Jil
 * Gim Jip
 * Gim Jongjik
 * Gim Man-deok
 * Gim Manjung
 * Gim Mu-ryeok
 * Gim Myeong-guk
 * Gim Myeong-hui
 * Gim Myeong-won
 * Gim Myeong-yun
 * Gim Seokju
 * Gim Seong-ju (presenter)
 * Gim Si-min
 * Gim So-hui
 * Gim Su-cheol
 * Gim Toro
 * Gim Un-chi
 * Gim Won-sul
 * Gim Yeong-rang
 * Gim Yu-sin
 * Gim Yujeong
 * Gim Yuk


 * On a quick skim, 95% of those are historical figures indeed. Per the Revised Romanization, this surname should be romanized as "Gim", but it is expressly listed as an exception under WP:NCKO. For the full picture, WP:NCKO prefaces that Personal, organization, and company names should generally be romanized according to their common usage in English sources, thus allowing for exceptions. I don't have an opinion on the substance of this RM. No such user (talk) 08:34, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I advertized this RM at WikiProject Korea . No such user (talk) 08:37, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you for digging all Gim. Please erase five items:


 * Gim Allon: not Korean
 * Gim Bo-eun: living people, English sources Gim Bo-eun
 * Gim So-hui: living people, English sources Gim So-hui
 * Gim Toro: not Korean
 * Gim Un-chi: living people, English sources Gim Un-chi
 * And English sources for living people Gim Gu-ra and Gim Seong-ju (presenter) would be found. There is no problem with Kim vs Gim. I recommend that problems with Gu-ra vs Gura and Seong-ju vs Sung-joo are solved at their respective talk pages. Sawol (talk) 09:38, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I brought the list here mostly for information; they weren't part of the original nomination. Nonetheless, I struck the five you mentioned. While this RM technically could mandate move of all of them, they would be probably best discussed case-by-case or batch by batch, as mass nominations often turn into a mess. No such user (talk) 12:23, 12 July 2018 (UTC)


 * WP:NCKO and Revised Romanization of Korean #1 (Korean) do not say that a hyphen is required anywhere. And the spelling "Kim" is Korean surname based on McCune–Reischauer Romanization. But many historic Korean name is based on Revised Romanization of Korean such as "Gang" of Gang Isik. Thanks. --Garam (talk) 08:02, 13 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose. If Wikipedia's style guide is to be contravened, do it on a case-by-case basis supported by sources.  —  AjaxSmack  01:37, 17 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.