Talk:Kim Hyon-hui

Names
So is it Kim Sung Il or Kim Seung Il? The article uses the latter at one point.

Also, the 'references' section at the bottom of the article gives her name as Kim Hyun Hee... 71.214.178.65 06:12, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That's the way her name was romanized when she published her book Tears of My Soul. Her name, correctly written, uses the Korean alphabet, and anything in the Latin alphabet is a sideshow. Best guess as a wikipedia article editor is to incorporate all romanizations that are/were in use. Mang (talk) 03:45, 14 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Although I am not an expert, I believe the different spellings are a due to transliteration of the names from Korean to English. dfg 00:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The differences in spelling are due to the bent of Wikipedia to use the (very) recent introduction of the South Korean government's Romanization system. North Koreans do not use the South Korean system. North Koreans have their own system in Korean (조선글) and their own system of Romanizing that Korean (revised McCune-Reischauer). Spread across Wikipedia is an irrational insistence that all things North Korean are presented in the South Korean style. North Korean names are harnessed with the South Korean hyphen and South Korean lower case (i.e. 김정일, as a North Korean, would Romanize his name Kim Jong Il – not in the southern style of Kim Jong-il. However Wikipedia insists on the southern system). North Korean place names are altered to fit the South Korean government’s preference for Romanization (i.e. 백두산, a North Korean mountain, is Romanized in Wikipedia in the South Korean style [Baekdu Mountain] as opposed to the North Korean style [Paekdu Mountain] However Wikipedia insists on the southern system). This is simply illogical, but standing in the face of a tidal wave of lemmings and attempting to point out the very un-encyclopedic nature of this trend is futile.
 * One of the issues at hand is that Wikipedia is NOT an encyclopedia. Once one gets the notion that it is an encyclopedia out of their head, then suddenly the quality and standard of information presented here is a bit more easy to accept. Certainly an encyclopedia would not insist on romanizing Korean names the wrong way (as is the case here) but this isn't an encyclopedia, so lower your expectations and it is a bit less irritating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.22.93.200 (talk) 21:48, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

In the 4th paragraph it also states Kim's misson came directly from the Dear leader himself Kim Jong-II...but if her mission was in 1989 Kim Jong-II was not the leader of N. Korea untill 1994
 * Kim the elder was known as “The Great Leader,” while Kim the younger was/ is known as “The Dear Leader.” Kim the younger was called by this title even when his father was alive and at the healm.

Noncompliant?
So... can someone give me a rundown on how this article is noncompliant with Wikipedia's policies? -- Hongooi 15:04, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

"Kim was taken to see the prosperity of Seoul outside of her prison cell. She had been taught in North Korea that American culture had supplanted the Korean culture in the South. She had also been taught that the rich exploited the poor who lived in poverty. What she saw outside of her prison cell made her realize that everything that she had been taught regarding South Korea was mere propaganda"

This, for example, reads like a positive judgement of South Korea. Also the tone is not really encyclopedic. 80.128.70.127 23:39, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I'll attempt to improve the prose and tone via the written source I currently have in hand, which contains an interview with Kim from the book Shoot the Women First (also just added as a reference) published in 1991. dfg 00:06, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

In regards to the specific concern (but not my above comment) about the passage being a positive judgment, I believe the info found via the link to the UN testimony document supports what is stated in the article. dfg (talk) 16:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Introduction Paragraph
Whoever inserted the command that the introduction paragraph needs to be changed should understand that their mummy doesn't live here, therefore she won't be coming by to clean up their mess nor to obey their commands. If you want the intro graph changed -- then change it. Don't dictate -- participate. (welcome to Wikipedia) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.22.93.200 (talk) 21:44, 14 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I have improved and expanded the lead and removed the maintenance template. Finnusertop (talk &#124; guestbook &#124; contribs) 00:13, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Body Guard Citation Addition
I watched a documentary on Journeyman TV that talked about the bodyguards and the "undisclosed" location. In fact the sentence in the article is nearly verbatim of the documentary except for the following: "from either victims' families". The documentary (and transcript) say nothing about reprisals from victims families being the cause of having so many bodyguards. I added the citation, but I'm wondering if the family reprisals should be removed. PhilosoraptorThinks (talk) 05:42, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Citation needed template was added to the section referring to reprisals from victims families, since my previous citation did not refer to reprisals but only to possible North Korean assassination attempts. PhilosoraptorThinks (talk) 05:52, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

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Untitled
So... she killed 155 people and South Korea just so decides to pardon her... because poor woman was brainwashed? Right... I'm sure families of the deceased were very happy with that decision... Someone should expand this article with what was behind this dirty realpolitik deal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.127.108.51 (talk) 12:58, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, conspiracy-theorists with or without prescribed meds can synthesize all they wish, but without some hint of ... vestigial ... Reliable Sources, it's just so much illogical ranting.50.111.12.90 (talk) 22:15, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

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