Talk:Kim Jong Un/Archive 10

Relationship with and attitude towards women
huge WP page, long talk page with 9 archives and yet not a word about women- his treatment of women ? Reflection of WP editors? Very surprising. I added ref to Kippumjo. Wuerzele (talk) 20:35, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is very questionable information.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:53, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * What is this conspiracy-mongering "just asking questions" comment, as if "WP editors" are some collective monolith. Is there really no better source than a German documentary? Documentaries generally do not cite their sources explicitly. Yue 🌙 17:42, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think they're alleging a conspiracy, more just a general blindness to some issues, like the treatment of women. Either way there seem to be a few sources that cover it, but I don't see many that draw explicit connections between the man himself and the program, so perhaps it's better to leave it in its own page and those discussing women's rights in North Korea. XeCyranium (talk) 17:21, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Missing IPA of the Korean pronunciation of the name
In the articles about his father and grandfather, there are IPA transcriptions of their names, but there is none here. 62.73.69.121 (talk) 10:24, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 February 2024
Replace family name hatnote, then place with family name footnote in the lead sentence. 103.119.55.216 (talk) 12:29, 24 February 2024 (UTC) — Urro[ talk ] [ edits ] ⋮ 17:39, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

Should we say he's a dictator in the lede?
In other articles for dictators like Hitler and Mussolini, the first sentence states "X was a dictator of _____ from _ to _". They do not use the official title for these leaders, like Fuhrer or Duce, since these titles are self-appointed and are specific, but not as informative as dictator when it comes to describing the absolute authority they held. Kim is indisputably a dictator with absolute power of his country, so shouldn't we also refer to him as a dictator in the first sentence? I think we should. Woozybydefault (talk) 18:10, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * We have discussed this before. He is not "indisputably a dictator". Some scholars question how much power he actually has.--Jack Upland (talk) 23:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * What scholars? Woozybydefault (talk) 23:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
 * See, for example, .--Jack Upland (talk) 23:57, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't encourage it, no. Better to use specific language regarding concentration of power or the like. JArthur1984 (talk) 00:15, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * He is literally a communist dictator. Why would that not be mentioned. DanRayy (talk) 14:14, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * On arguments about "literally", see the comment and link by Jack Upland above. More broadly, we already have plenty of characterizations which address concentration of power in the lead. We have "supreme leader," "rules" North Korea, "totalitarian", etc. JArthur1984 (talk) 14:24, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * DanRayy (talk) 14:26, 29 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Don't think Kim gives much of a fuck, either. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:52, 29 January 2024 (UTC)


 * DanRayy Now blocked, yes (by the way Kim is a dictator). Slatersteven (talk) 14:53, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * And who do you think you are, Adolf? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:58, 29 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Kim is a dictator. It's absurd that this article tries to say otherwise, and also has "Respected Comrade" in the infobox. DocZach (talk) 04:17, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * The avoidance is not specific to this article; it's a policy of careful tip-toeing called MOS:LABEL. Also, "Respected Comrade" is Kim Jong Un's official title. It's not the article or an editor literally calling him a respectable comrade. It's like how in Canada we call our senators "The Honourable". Yue 🌙 06:31, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Then why doesn't Queen Elizabeth II's article say "Her Majesty", or any of the Supreme Court Justices have "His Honor" or "Her Honor?" DocZach (talk) 08:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Elizabeth II's article does say "Head of the Commonwealth" in the same spot in the infobox. Toughpigs (talk) 23:44, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I think Wikipedia spends too much time with the various titles bestowed on North Korean leaders, more so than the media of North Korea does, I believe.--Jack Upland (talk) 01:39, 24 March 2024 (UTC)