Talk:King Arthur Carrousel

Sword in the Stone
How can Sword in the Stone motifs have been used in 1955 when the movie only came out in 1963? --Stereo 21:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC) The only reference to the 1963 film is the plaque on the anvil side. In the ceremony 'Merlin' only mentions 'Excalibur' and the realms quest to determine 'king for a day.' …so it is left to the guest's imagination. However, Sleeping Beauty Castle was the 'weenie' at the end of Main Street and the carousel the 'weenie' through the castle portcullis three years before the film Sleeping Beauty was released. Disneywizard (talk) 08:07, 28 January 2011 (UTC)
 * True and corrected, the anvil holding Excalibur was install with the Fantasyland makeover. But it was always Walt's idea that children could re-enact the crusades as knights of the Round Table, an idea which existed long before the carousel's purchase.

Check this photo
- anyone who's an expert on this ride, can you please check this photo - and in the back of the room you will see a horses head - does it look like any of the horses on the ride? Photo was taken in 1931 in Toronto. Thanks - Themepark
 * It looks very much like one of the horses' heads, I would say it's quite possible. --Andysund 23:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Horses not repainted every night
I removed the section of the unverified repainting of the horses every night. The horses are actually rotated off the the carrousel periodically and replaced with similar horses while repainted. --Andysund 07:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Official Information From Disney
This blog posting by Disney about the King Arthur Carrousel contains a lot of trivia-style information. I'm not sure what should be added, so I would appreciate some assistance with getting it transferred to this posting. Thank you.

http://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2010/04/caring-for-the-antique-horses-on-king-arthur-carrousel/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cntli (talk • contribs) 18:36, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Photo captions
'''King Arthur succeeded the throne by pulling Excalibur from the Stone. A ceremony is held here to determine who in the realm shall reign as king for the day.''' These words are carefully chosen, they are concise, informative and true. Caption restored - careful official wording. The topic is King Arthur, The name of the sword in the brass anvil is Excalibur, the ceremony is not daily, and the final phrase is always 'king for the day.' - look it up.

The TOPIC is Jingles, the carousel horse, not who is riding her, and until I can secure licensing release we DO NOT MENTION copyrighted characters. Better to keep it at Jingles with her commemorative rider. Very nice and all, about the other caption - 'Cast members portraying Mary Poppins and Bert from Disney's 1964 film ride the Carrousel' - but those can be mentioned elsewhere in the article, not in reference to the picture. Or get a better picture of Jingles.

Also it may be best not to depend on image stacking - please keep the photo with the Horses section. Mind the first 'Jingles' reference in the photo caption too. Disneywizard (talk) 07:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Keeping the Jingles photo with the Horses section seems a sensible idea.


 * Re: your claim regarding "king for the day", I did look it up. "Temporary ruler of the realm" is the non-gender-specific phrase used repeatedly throughout the actual ceremony. For example, see this video at 0:35 and 1:21, or this video at 0:20. The ceremony's recorded announcement says, "By proclamation of Arthur, the right and true king, and lord of all the land, it is time to select a temporary ruler of the realm... to safeguard and protect the kingdom while good King Arthur is on vacation." The wording "king for the day" would exclude girls from participating, which the ceremony obviously doesn't.


 * The caption you rejected read: Inspired by the legend of Excalibur from The Sword in the Stone, a ceremony is held regularly next to the Carrousel to determine which guest can pull the sword from the stone to become "temporary ruler of the realm". Its advantages, apart from correct wording of the title at stake, included explaining the film connection that is the whole raison d'etre for the ceremony's presence in Disneyland, and explicitly mentioning its proximity to the Carrousel, which is the only connection (and a rather tenuous one) tying the image into the King Arthur Carrousel article.


 * Wikipedia has never required "licensing release" to identify the names of copyrighted characters like Mary Poppins in photo captions; that is a notion not substantiated by any guideline I have come across. The main problem with the suggested phrase "her commemmorative rider" is that it is not self-explanatory. How can a cast member riding a horse be commemmorative? Jingles, or the carousel itself, may be the primary subject of the image, but I would argue that failing to identify Mary Poppins and Bert (the most unusual elements in this particular image) risks leaving unfamiliar readers to wonder what is going on: Why are those riders wearing those odd outfits?  Who are they?  That's not Julie Andrews, is it??? WP:CAPTION instructs us to be as unambiguous as practical in identifying the subjects of images to avoid confusion.  Here there is no reason not to clarify.


 * Incidentally, MOS:BOLD also discourages the superfluous use of boldface here. Boldface, italics, and other special formatting is reserved for particular situations, and image captions are not one of those. So Jingles should be plain old Jingles.


 * That said, I'll leave it up to you to implement any of these suggested edits. AtticusX (talk) 15:31, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

The copyright release pending the Jingles wikimedia photo is undergoing special dispensation among six people - er, make that two people and four attorneys. Let's not jeopardize inclusion just yet.

Damned political correctness - well things have changed since the ceremony was written - Gender ambiguity ruined all the jokes and historical references to 'King for a Day.'

And more importantly, the article is about the carousel attraction (which is never called a 'ride'), not the anvil, Excalibur, the ceremony, or even the flower-beds.

Present at the ceremony was Julie Andrews, in a wheelchair. She was unable to transfer aboard Jingles.

You are correct, the Jingles paragraph should have a level 3 header, not just a bold topic first word.


 * Inspired by the legend of Excalibur from The Sword in the Stone, a ceremony is held regularly next to the Carrousel to determine which guest can pull the sword from the stone to become "temporary ruler of the realm".

That sounds good, let's make it a level 2 paragraph instead. Guruspeak photo captions, with verbose detail in the article.

Thanks for all your help improving the article. —(o=8>Disneywizard (talk) 18:17, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Variant spelling
Could some expert explain why there are two R's instead of the usual one R? "Carrousel" is unusual to my eye! Thanks. jengod (talk) 06:06, 10 February 2012 (UTC)