Talk:King Edward VI Grammar School, Chelmsford

Fact Box
This page used to have a fact box. I'm not quite sure why it was removed, since most articles on wikipedia about educational institutions seem to have one, and it was quite apposite. Seeing as the editing war on this article has finally died down (thank goodness) I'll check back in a week to see if anybody has any objections to my putting the fact box back in. Otherwise I'll put it back.86.141.216.238 19:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

D of E
yeah it's duke of edinburgh'S award sum1 took out da s 4 sum reason i'm puttin it bk in seeing as, well, it's correct86.137.144.23 17:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Photo
Somebody sort out the photo for the page it needs one! The old one was removed for some reason.

General Editing
Somebody do something about the informal language found in this passage about FDL week. What does the J in J's Hospice stand for? Someone do something please. --Svm2 20:06, 15 October 2006 (UTC) in 2005, for the first time, the £5000 mark was broken, and this money was divided among J's Hospice, The Teenage Cancer Trust and The Cystic Fibrosis Foundation.

Oh come on guys. This is starting to sound like the school prospectus. I'm not sure that people really care about car wash days for World Challenge or who runs the Duke of Edinburgh award, certainly not in an encyclopedia! Chrisblore 22:01, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

I concur; it's hardly my business to delete the stuff so I won't. But there is really no point in telling people that D of E is organised by Ms. Sharpe, nor could anyone care less who the housemasters are. If the Eton College article makes no mention of current staff, the KEGS article most certainly should not!

Yes, KEGS is in the top 10 of the country, etc, but as far as music, CCF, and so on goes, it is remarkable only when compared to local schools; the comments about D of E, KEGS Music, World Challenge, and so on hardly describe activities that are of great distinction. Detailed descriptions of how House Music and Standards are run are so irrelevant as to be almost risible. Stefan 02:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

These comments particularly directed towards a Mr. Wesson... Wikipedia is not to slander ex-students, however camp they are. Inserting random Hellos into a page is not funny. Don't be a prat.

get rid of the criticisms
someone get rid of them, they are irrelevant and pointless and no one cares about them. whoever wrote them obviously has something against the various KEGS societies so why don't you discuss them with the relevant people face to face instead of using the internet to vent your frustration.

actually the whole point of the criticisms was 2 stop the site sounding like the school prospectus like chris said and try 2 giv some sorta balanced view. before i put the criticisms on, all this site said was "isn't kegs wonderful, please come here, look at all our brilliant clubs and societies". all the criticisms i've put up are real opinions of some people (not me) and just meant to give some more information about the school. i don't think they make the school look bad at all, and in all the criticisms i've tried to give balanced responses on both sides and in fact refuted most of the criticisms. the fdl criticisms are particularly relevant at the moment what with it being banned every week for no good reason

if there is anything which needs removing it's people plugging their bands on band night, or putting stupid greetings to people in as already mentioned by someone else on this site.

Dear whoever you are,

No-one cares what you think or what a bunch of OLD BOYS think. This is an "encyclopædia".

131.111.236.123 21:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I think we must distinguish between genuine criticism which helps further knowledge about the school and IS fit for an encyclopædia, and mindless comments which some people have slipped into the page under the guise of genuine criticism. Look at most good pages on wikipedia and you will find a balanced opinion, so I think that if we're going to wax lyrical about our school we should also make reference to the opinions of others. What we should not do is sneak in pointless rubbish about the school orchestra being elitist because it only admits those with Grade 5 or the like.

Nonsense, Wikipedia is neutral, and criticisms should be shown here. You are trying to stamp out the valid view of the many. You should be ashamed. Oh, and don't underrate KEGSmusic. OK, so Junior Orchestra isn't exceptional, but does the leader of the senior orchestra play a concerto in other schools?

- Personally I think that now there is so (too) much information there, it needs to be edited by someone totally unconnected to the school and with experience in other Wikipedia school articles. If other schools (particularly better ones!) do not feature these rambling "criticisms of..." sections, then this article shouldn't either.

I should also like to note that it is only once you have spent a few years away from your school can you really appreciate that, although it may have essentially been your life over those seven years, it is not really that important to others. As distinguished as the KEGS traditions may be, it is still only one of hundreds of similar grammar/independent schools. A huge number of schools have debating societies (the FDL, however, is indeed unique as the OFSTED report remarked), musical activities, a house system, and so on. The main fault of the school is that, at times, it takes itself far too seriously and this article is a prime example of this!

Stefan 12:54, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, I'm not going to change anything myself, but an encyclopedia article on a school doesn't need a section of when Kabaddi was banned, etc, etc. Needs to be shorter and contain significant facts rather than trivia and the odd nasty remark. Matt 19:27, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup Taskforce
This article was put on my desk. I am going to do some major editing to it. Specifically, it needs to be shortened. It has alot of trivia and non-encyclopedic junk along with extraneous capitalization and lots of other problems. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 11:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

House System
The word "form" is well understood throughout the school system in England and Wales and there is no reason to change it to section as some editors to this page have persisted in doing. The House System specifically splits each year up into four FORMS rather than sections. This is significant because each form is taught together in all lessons (apart from art,music,technology,maths and some parts of PE-A. Pedant) up until the fourth year when there is desegregation for GCSE lessons. Before then the houses are kept separate and some intense cameraderie within houses and rivalry between houses develops which wouldn't happen if the year was merely split up into sections. On a related note, a section is also the specific term used in the school to mean a period of the day (of which there are nine in total) so calling them sections could be a bit misleading.172.211.231.24 18:23, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

stefan said that certain things here aren;t of any interest or importance to most people. well neither are most articles; but for people who are interested in the school trivia such as this is very important. seán

As a member of Holland house for seven years, I can tell you that the colours are wrong and Holland is the blue house. Unless they have changed for some bizarre reason. I don;t want to make a change anonymously so could sonmeone please sort this out?

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I removed the sections on and. —Quarl (talk) 2007-03-11 01:28Z 

The Edwardian, etc
Two users ( and me) have removed some or all of the section on The KEGS Ambassador on the grounds that it's trivial / unsourced. Our edits have been undone by IPs (so it's unclear whether by one person or more than one person). As might be expected, Google shows nothing for it; there's nothing on the school website either. Without external coverage, why should there be any mention of it in the article? BencherliteTalk 16:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Bencherlite,
 * I can understand the confusion with regards to The KEGS Ambassador, but as the former Editor-in-Chief, I feel that it needs at least some mention (at least for the time being, as I am currently working on getting something about it on the school website) to at least attempt to raise its profile: if you visit KEGSnet, I can assure you that you will find the latest issue of the newspaper on it. I hope this helps. Vaeya
 * I understand your desire to promote the paper. However, Wikipedia does not exist to promote anything, only to aggregate the information found in reliable sources. - SummerPhD (talk) 19:45, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I see what you mean, and I will rephrase what I said earlier: I would like to at least show that the school has a newspaper in the interim before getting it upon the school website. With regards to reliable sources, was it not on the moodle website as the official paper of KEGS? Vaeya
 * If it is on the schools official website, you can certainly add a brief mention that it exists, citing the website. - SummerPhD (talk) 00:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

References/Cleanup
This article now has several more references, but I can't find anything to support the two newspaper quotes (which probably did exist, but are not digitally available) or the foundation of the Fleur de Lys (which may well be anecdotal anyway). Is this article now of a suitable standard, and if so, do the tags at the top still apply? 80.43.193.91 (talk) 19:34, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

I've removed the reference lists and cleanup tags, but I've left the other two for now because I think that the Extracurricular activities section could still do with some work. 92.10.232.247 (talk) 21:06, 27 February 2016 (UTC)