Talk:King Fahd International Airport

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This airport is faily unpopular with locals. It's a long way from Dharan/Dammam/Khobar (The cities it is meant to serve). It is more popular to fly in and out of Bahrain, where they offer special deals on parking and run a bus across the causeway to attract Saudi customers. Plus the added bonus of being able to get a drink at the Bahraini airport is an added bonus... My visit to this airport was interesting in that is was this huge massive cavernous terminal, and it seemed pretty much empty of activity.


 * Well, a lot of airlines, including British Airways, do not fly to this airport because of the high cost, and few passengers. Still, you've got the largest airport in the world! -- Eagleamn 07:18, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

HiJazzey 22:52, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah the airport has had an unhappy time. Delayed, way over budget, and operational problems when it first opened (it had to be closed a week after opening). However, it isn't that far away, it is closer to the city centre than Riyadh airport was from it's respective city centre when it was first opened (the city has cought up now). But it felt far because of poor access (the spur from the highway wasn't complete). This has been addressed but the damage has been done. At least passenger numbers have stablised now. Maybe this is all worthy of a paragraph in the article?


 * If you know this information, go ahead and add it to the article. Please cite any available sources you got the info from. -- Eagleamn 00:19, September 7, 2005 (UTC)


 * done HiJazzey


 * It is always good to know that there are actually people from Saudi Arabia (other than me) who do care about things like this. -- Eagleamn 00:25, September 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. I try to chip in, although don't expect me to be too prolific. Salam. HiJazzey 18:07, 10 September 2005 (UTC)

Size
On Google Earth this airport seems not larger than 8x5 km. How do they calculate 750km²?‎ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.179.238.37 (talk • contribs) 20:09, April 7, 2007 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling that the size in hectares corresponds to the size of the plot of land alloted to the airport. For example, O'Hare International Airport is built upon a large area (and is recognized as it's own municipality). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.124.237.155 (talk) 14:35, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I had a similar question about the size. I think that the 776 sq. km. number needs to be removed for the time being. The linked source does not even give that figure. --Kseses14 (talk) 21:47, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Airlines
Could we please have a list of airlines that serve it? james_anatidae 14:35, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Done, someone has added the list of airlines. Kangxi Emperor 康熙帝  ( talk ) 06:31, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

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Route table is not updated
Recently, I amended passenger destination table to reflect most up-to-date information as provided by OAG, the leading schedules provider. However, editors LeoFrank and Andrewgprout reverted my changes to the old outdated information. Please refer to my comments on their actions in their respective talk pages. I'm writing this information here to bring your attention to the fact that the destination table is inaccurate. The changes that I made and were not accepted are:


 * Termination of operation by Air Arabia Jordan, Georgian Airlines, and Regent Airlines.
 * Termination of operation of flyNas to Abu Dhabi, and addition of services to Dubai, Jizan, and Karachi.
 * Termination of operation of Lufthansa to Kuwait.
 * New operation by Pegasus Airlines.
 * Termination of operation by Saudia to Islamabad, Istanbul, Najran, and Tbilisi.
 * Termination of operation by Turkish Airlines to Istanbul-Sabiha.

I also deleted some references to old sources which are superseded by my recent search in OAG. Imdashti (talk) 08:22, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * @Imdashti: Simple: WP:BURDEN. &mdash;  LeoFrank  Talk 13:33, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

There are issues using booking engines and such for referencing new routes (WP:OR). Not only that, but airlines change their schedules so often, so the absence of a route from their schedule doesn't prove the destination is cancelled. There are airlines out there that publish great information about their destinations that require no interpretation, but booking engine referencing should not be used period, as they provide destinations that may not be direct. The fact that the tables aren't up to date is fine. What Wikipedia should be focusing on is historical routes, the ones that tend to be deleted (see WP:RECENTISM). Garretka (talk) 17:50, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

As a professional who worked in the air transport industry for 22 years, I can recognize what sources are reliable, and I know how to verify information. Replying by general arguments does not invalidate the facts presented in the changes I made. Further, not every change can be cited as clear as one wishes. For example, when airlines stop operating a route, they don't usually announce it. Most often, they do it silently. In the case of Dammam, as an example, you can find many articles about starting the route to Amman by Air Arabia Jordan in 2015, but you can hardly find sources about cancelling all their scheduled operations since a year ago. Regent Airways, on the other hand, did not operate to Dammam for months (as I can see from professional sources that cannot be freely and easily cited), yet all of that is done quietly. One last example is Lufthansa's operation to Kuwait, which is a minor route so you don't expect to hear much about it, but I know for a fact that it is cancelled because I work at Kuwait Airport. These are facts that you don't get easily by a simple citation, but a through thorough research like the one I made which took me almost an hour. Further, as a professional, I know how to use booking engines to verify information, and I know how to distinguish between direct and connecting routes. As for the matter of recentism, I don't think it applies to the route table. Anyone reading the table would think that it should current. Historical routes can be included in their own section as I have seen in some airline articles. But I don't think that the route table should be outdated. I understand Wikipedia's tendency to verify information, but I resent refusal of information that can be verified differently. Imdashti (talk) 20:25, 19 October 2018 (UTC)
 * That's great that you know how to interpret sources. That's not what Wikipedia is for. Please read and understand WP:OR. Quite often, secondary sources do exist when airlines cancel routes, where they exist, use them. WP:V is quite clear on this policy.
 * Booking engines are textbook WP:OR. I'm not sure what you're getting at calling yourself a professional, to be honest. Wikipedias core policies apply to everyone. It also sounds like you have a potential WP:COI, so be mindful of that as well. When discussing matters on Wikipedia, it helps to cite policies, which you have failed to do.

To add, recentism certainly does apply to the tables. Suggesting otherwise turns these tables into a travel guide.Garretka (talk) 22:35, 19 October 2018 (UTC)