Talk:King vulture

Looking good
Hmmm, another pleasant surprise. Prose looks good at first glance. I'll double check my greek dictionary at home and other stuff I can find. Would be good to get a bit more info on captivity bit. cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:16, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

odd sentence
Umm...The vulture is sexually dimorphic, with no difference in plumage and little in size between males and females - is odd - should it be a little sexually dimorphic as there are only minor differences or some such wording? cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Wrong name
Since it has been clarifyed that vultures are not related with condors, and this bird clearly is a condor, the name "King Vulture" must be changed - eighter to "King Condor" or "(Amazon) Low Land Condor". It doesn't belong to the Falconiformes as vultures do. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.38.77 (talk) 00:20, 26 February 2011 (UTC)


 * For clarity I for one would love its name to be King Condor or some other variation, hwoever wikipedia can only reflect usage not do original research. Now once bird authorities start using a different name, we'll be more than happy to review...Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:41, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

papa
I seem to recall reading somehwere that papa is a native american word...so I don't think my dictionaries are going to help too much there....cheers, Casliber (talk · contribs) 01:33, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it literally is supposed to mean "Pope vulture"`: gaudy outfit, prominent headgear, the works. Might also be retcon(?) from Lat. papulus "pimple" -> papus "big pimple", but why then change the ending? Dysmorodrepanis 21:53, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Genus
I don't know where the claimed Linnaean genus came from. In the relevant editio decima, its Vultur alone with the other vultures. I added the correct page and descrition too. Jimfbleak (talk) 19:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Dead link
References, No. 22. --Vejvančický (talk) 09:36, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Name incorrect
For more then 20 years now it's common knowlidge that Condors (ilke "King Vulture") are not related to eighter "Bird of preys" ( = Falconiformes and Accipitriformes ) or vultures (wich belong to the Accipitriformes -order.) Some claims have later been been made that Condors should be placed in the other order of "Bird of preys" Falconiformes. But even if this was true (wich it isn't), and the seven speicies of Condors should be a family in the Falconiformes-order, all true vultures is in the Accipitriformes -order. Therefore poular names like "King Vulture" of the lowland living Condor Sarcoramphus papa is an extremly bad choice. The so called "King Vulture" has got nothing to do whith real vultures, nore is the "vultures of the new world" an acceptable choice of popular-unifying-term of theese seven speicies. They are in a popular name simply "Condors" by modern taxiology and nomenclature. I think a better popular name for this Condor Sarcoramphus papa is eighter "Lowland Condor" or "King Condor". Awayanoder (talk) 01:04, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

"Modern taxiology" you mean taxonomy, right? Anyway, no matter what order it's in, the common name will probably remain remain the same.Dgrootmyers (talk) 15:17, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

(featured 2day Mon 2Mar9) THIS IS A SCARY LOOKING BIRD!
Wow ! THIS IS A SCARY LOOKING BIRD! Thanks for featuring it today [2Mar9] as I've learned a lot! 70.108.123.165 (talk) 11:57, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No birds are scary, or needs to be. Only a very young child can be hurt or killed by the biggest birds of prey. And only if there is no other humans for a mile around. I've never ever heard about that a bird attacked and hurt humans. In general birds have good eyesight, and hearing. But smelling and tasting are rather unknown areas. If a dead animal in wintertime is placed for fooding of eagles the eagles always wait until som craw-bird like a raven starts to eat. One theory of how pidgeons find their way (back to their nest) suggests smelling, but seems unlikely. Vultures (true vultures) spy ovar large areas on high altitude - but they just don't look down but also at the other vultures around, and when one vulture finds food, and dives, others follow after. They seem to find fresh corpse well as fast as smelling old.

Most birds are also very social and prefer company of other birds. Awayanoder (talk) 01:28, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

FAR removed, pending discussion on talk
Featured article review/King Vulture/archive1. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 22:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

This article is in desperate need of cleanup. Here's what I've found; now let's see if anyone responds on this dusty, unedited excuse of a talk page:


 * Second paragraph under "fossil record and evolution" is unsourced. Third paragraph is also undersourced.
 * Refs added. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * First paragraph of "Bartram's Painted Vulture" section is unsourced.
 * Section rewritten and reffed. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * "Some argue" used twice in Diet header.
 * both removed Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:08, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * What makes Arthur Grosset's website a reliable source?
 * replaced both now with published material Casliber (talk · contribs) 20:14, 19 December 2010 (UTC)


 * What makes WhoZoo.org a reliable source?
 * agree we need to find better refs for the seven bits of text using this ref as a ref. will update when completed. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:27, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * What makes this EurekaWebs.com archive a reliable source?
 * This page was originally written by Jack Bellinger, who used to maintain the records of all captive King Vultures. He is cited by this article. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 20:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Or Bird-Stamps.org?
 * I don't have a problem with it sourcing something as mundane as a few stamps. 04:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Additionally, it has images of the stamps there, so they do exist. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * "Be that as it may, the fossil record, though scant, supports the theory that the ancestral King Vultures and South American Condors separated at least some 5 mya." — "Be that as it may" isn't needed (and thus removed), and rest is weaselwordy.
 * Links to dab pages: Avian and dihedral.
 * tweaked Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)


 * "though fossil members are known." Are we allowed to self-link within articles? This link jumps down to a section of the article.
 * delinked. shouldn't need to link there anyway. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Otters want attention) 22:34, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello. I should be able to help out here. I've got two new books from the library that deal with vultures too. Rufous-crowned Sparrow (talk) 16:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Web of science search
...yields these other papers to look through - to double check which might be too esoteric etc. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:03, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

1. Title: Chromosomal analysis in Cathartidae: distribution of heterochromatic blocks and rDNA, and phylogenetic considerations Author(s): Tagliarini MM, Pieczarka J, Nagamachi C, et al. Source: GENETICA  Volume: 135   Issue: 3   Pages: 299-304   Published: APR 2009 Times Cited: 0

✅ simple one - added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:15, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

2. Title: King vultures (Sarcoramphus papa) forage in moriche and cucurit palm stands Author(s): Schlee MA Source: JOURNAL OF RAPTOR RESEARCH  Volume: 39   Issue: 4   Pages: 458-461   Published: DEC 2005 Times Cited: 0 ✅ simple one - added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 02:46, 10 November 2010 (UTC) 3. Title: First record of Sarcoramphus Dumeril 1806 (Ciconiiformes : Vulturidae) from the Pleistocene of Buenos Aires province, Argentina Author(s): Noriega JI, Areta JI Source: JOURNAL OF SOUTH AMERICAN EARTH SCIENCES  Volume: 20   Issue: 1-2   Special Issue: Sp. Iss. SI  Pages: 73-79   Published: OCT 2005 Times Cited: 1

✅ simple one - added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 03:13, 10 November 2010 (UTC) 4. Title: The birds of "Parque Nacional da Serra do Cipo": The Rio Cipo valley, Minas Gerais, Brazil Author(s): Rodrigues M, Carrara LA, Faria LP, et al. Source: REVISTA BRASILEIRA DE ZOOLOGIA  Volume: 22   Issue: 2   Pages: 326-338   Published: JUN 2005 Times Cited: 12 5. Title: Breeding biology of the King Vulture (Sarcoramphus papa) in southeastern Brazil Author(s): de Carvalho EPM, Zorzin G, Specht GVA Source: ORNITOLOGIA NEOTROPICAL  Volume: 15   Issue: 2   Pages: 219-224   Published: 2004 Times Cited: 0 6. Title: First record of tandem flying in the King Vulture (Sarcoramphus papa) Author(s): Schlee MA Source: JOURNAL OF RAPTOR RESEARCH  Volume: 35   Issue: 3   Pages: 263-264   Published: SEP 2001 Times Cited: 0

✅ interesting one - added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:59, 16 November 2010 (UTC) 7. Title: Observations of king vultures (Sarcoramphus papa) drinking and bathing Author(s): Baker AJ, Whitacre DF, Aguirre O Source: JOURNAL OF RAPTOR RESEARCH  Volume: 30   Issue: 4   Pages: 246-247   Published: DEC 1996 Times Cited: 1

✅ simple one - added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

8. Title: Estimating age classes in king vultures (Sarcoramphus papa) using plumage coloration Author(s): Eitniear JC Source: JOURNAL OF RAPTOR RESEARCH  Volume: 30   Issue: 1   Pages: 35-38   Published: MAR 1996 Times Cited: 2

✅ interesting one - added. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:50, 16 November 2010 (UTC) 9. Title: First isolation of tandemly repeated DNA sequences in New World vultures and phylogenetic implications Author(s): Keyser C, Montagnon D, Schlee M, et al. Source: GENOME  Volume: 39   Issue: 1   Pages: 31-39   Published: FEB 1996 Times Cited: 7 10. Title: Nest records for the king vulture (Sarcoramphus papa) in Venezuela Author(s): Schlee MA Source: JOURNAL OF RAPTOR RESEARCH  Volume: 29   Issue: 4   Pages: 269-272   Published: DEC 1995 Times Cited: 1 11. Title: HABITAT ASSOCIATIONS OF MIGRANT AND RESIDENT VULTURES IN CENTRAL VENEZUELA Author(s): KIRK DA, CURRALL JEP Source: JOURNAL OF AVIAN BIOLOGY  Volume: 25   Issue: 4   Pages: 327-337   Published: NOV 1994 Times Cited: 2

❌ looked at, but material covered by secondary sources already in article. Casliber (talk · contribs) 05:15, 16 November 2010 (UTC) 12. Title: OBSERVATIONS AT A KING VULTURE (SARCORAMPHUS-PAPA) NEST IN VENEZUELA Author(s): RAMO C, BUSTO B Source: AUK  Volume: 105   Issue: 1   Pages: 195-196   Published: JAN 1988 Times Cited: 3 13. Title: COURTSHIP DISPLAY AND GREETING CEREMONIES IN THE KING-VULTURE-SARCORAMPHUS PAPA (L) Author(s): SCHLEE MA Source: COMPTES RENDUS DE L ACADEMIE DES SCIENCES SERIE III-SCIENCES DE LA VIE-LIFE SCIENCES  Volume: 304   Issue: 9   Pages: 207-212   Published: MAR 7 1987

Orphaned references in King Vulture
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Reference named "BirdLife": From Black Vulture:  From California Condor: BirdLife International (2007) Species factsheet: Gymnogyps californianus. Downloaded from http://www.birdlife.org on 17 August '2007 From Turkey Vulture:  From Andean Condor:  

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 04:01, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

No Vultures in the New World
There are no Vultures in the the world - and no Condors in the old world. This has been known since the 1990's through genethical science. Condors and Vultures resembles each others in way of living, but that's all. I can also be seen, the red top on the head only exists on Condors. And "King Vulture" ought to be renamed to "King Condodor" or preferably "Amazonian Low Land Condor". Again - it's NOT a Vulture !. Please update Your taxonomy about birds. Boeing720 (talk) 12:01, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Painted Vulture probably a misidentified Caracara
This link includes a critique of the discussion of the purported "Vultur sacra," especially a criticism of the Zootaxa report from Snyder & Fry. This is original material presented on that website-- http://wildbirdsbroadcasting.blogspot.com/2014/06/vultur-sacra-invalid-taxon.html

Further, I will add that it is more likely, than what I originally presumed, that William Bartram took it upon himself to perpetuate the deliberate augmentation of his description of "Vultur sacra" from the heavily paraphrased "King of the Vultures" by George Edwards. Bartram did write a 28-item errata after his Travels were published, and due to the likelihood that no reference to the "Painted Vulture" would have been mentioned in that errata, thus by implication meaning that Bartram felt that there was nothing to correct, it gives argument to the notion that Bartram alone wrote the heavily paraphrased description.

Snyder & Fry mention a limestone bowl from Alabama with features of a Sarcorhamphus vulture (King/"Painted"), but the nature of the representation itself does not remove, nor does their report reconcile, the greater likelihood that what is being represented is actually a Turkey Meleagris gallopavo.

Likewise, Snyder & Fry correlate the identity of the "white eagle" of du Pratz in Histoire de la Louisiane (1758) as the "Painted Vulture," but do not consider the possibility of other species accounting for its identity. From the original description by du Pratz, written in French and translated, I cannot reconcile the possibility that, more likely, the bird described was one common to the Mississippi delta but only rare in du Pratz's native France, and that this bird is none other than the Osprey Pandion haliaetus. The overhead flight of the osprey reveals a bird that might by layperson impression look entirely white, save for the tips of its wings, which are black. The underwing itself, in many illustrations and photographs, does have a fine dark brown barred pattern, but in flight even this can appear white.

King Vulture has been reported as an escape in Florida (Monroe Co., 1957) and Orange Co. (1988-1989) in Stevenson & Anderson, Birdlife of Florida.

A pair of King Vultures was also believed, in a compelling observation of Elliott Coues, to have occurred in the San Francisco Mountains of Arizona Territory, 1865. Another claim, later published by Coues, is from a communication of Willard Rice to Coues of a pair occurring in the Verde River circa 1881, but I refute the latter claim. See information in above link regarding sources of Coues' writings on the King.

Mathew Louis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mmslouis (talk • contribs) 15:56, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Clarification: Third paragraph ("Snyder & Fry mention..."). I am not familiar with the image of the representation on the bowl to confidently ascribe a specific identity, yet I am suggesting that a Sarcorhamphus vulture, in some likelihood, may not be the basis for the representation. This is a matter that should be further researched. Comments here are not a comprehensive summary as to the potential or hypothetical occurrence of Sarcorhamphus papa north of Mexico (further necessary elaboration on my statements in sixth paragraph ("[A] pair of King vultures...") not included here). --db-user db-user (talk) 16:07, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

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Source for Maya glyph
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