Talk:Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep/Archive 1

Maleficent
The fact that one of the worlds is modeled after Sleeping Beauty hints that Maleficent is involved in the game. Fractyl 04:17, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Your personal speculation is not confirmed fact. Stop adding it to articles. ' 04:48, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * In regard to content about Maleficent. I think the misunderstanding here is we may have different definitions of speculation. You saw a world for Sleeping Beauty, and made the obvious conclusion that Maleficent would be there. You're probably right, she may show up. But the readers of the article don't know that because there's no source that specifically states that right now. Because of that, Wikipedia deems that as speculation and original research, and that is the definition we have to follow. I'm sure all will be revealed down the road. We'll add in what we can as it becomes available; there's no real rush to fill this article with content. To be honest, I'm surprised at the amount that's in here considering the games was announced only two weeks ago. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:38, 1 October 2007 (UTC))

^Owned. Anyways, shouldn't we add some screenshots or something here. It ought to give the page more life, y'know? Famitsu recently put up pretty decent quality screens. One depicting gameplay for example is a must. —Preceding unsigned comment added by70.188.24.125 (talk) 06:24, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Thing is, Nomura said that he already redid the battle system from the one in the trailer. ' 06:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Then a cutscene screenshot should do fine, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125(talk) 12:50, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's not jump the gun. There's no real need for an image right now. Besides, there will be plenty of screen shots the closer it gets to the release date. Also please be sure to sign your comments with ~ per WP:SIG (Guyinblack25 talk 12:59, 1 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Speaking of which, I read an interview with Nomura on www.khinsider.com where he states that the game will consist only of Disney Worlds. How come that's been deleted again, after it was cited? Jienum 13:00, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's in there, under the "Plot" section, the last sentence. (Guyinblack25 talk 13:06, 5 October 2007 (UTC))

Now wait, something doesn't make sense; screenshots revealed Terra and Ven in Radiant Garden; also, whats the deal with the "Gathering Place"; surely neither of those Disney worlds...o.O something is contradicting something else or other here... —Preceding unsigned comment added by70.188.24.125 (talk) 19:30, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. But then again, those screenshots could be flashbacks or cutscenes and unplayable, like Destiny Islands was on KH2. Jienum 14:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Proper sourcing
To all editors that would like to add new information about the new game, please be sure to add proper citation along with your new content. Simply stating in the edit summary or in the sentence that it was in a recent or new magazine is only part of the information needed for proper sourcing. Additional information required is the name of the magazine, the issue #, and the publication date. In addition to that, other information that would be nice to have is the name of the article or section in the magazine, the page #s, and/or the name of the article writer. There are two reasons behind this.
 * 1) Proper sourcing and citation add credibility to the information and lets the uninformed reader know the information is factual and reliable.
 * 2) It also is required to make it to Good Article and Featured Article, which several of us would like to see in order to add the new games into theKingdom Hearts Featured Topic. Without these articles at a level of quality of at least Good Article some time after they're released, the topic will be delisted.

The extra information is appreciated and we hope more is found, but without proper sourcing, we can't really have it in the article per WP:CITE. (Guyinblack25 talk 13:12, 2 October 2007 (UTC)) Pochika (talk) 20:45, 2 August 2008 (UTC)She has been confirmed, she was shown in a non-public trailer in Jump Festa 17:45, 2 August 2008

==Release date== As stupid as it sounds, there have not been releases announced for any territories other than Japan. Will it probably get released here? I'm willing to bet yes. But until it's announced that it will be released in North American and Europe, putting that up is technically speculation. (Guyinblack25 talk 02:00, 3 October 2007 (UTC))

I agree, but, to be honest the only game confirmed to be released outside of Japan is oddly enough Coded, and even that is still "planning on." I say we stick to Japanese releases so far. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 19:35, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

This game has been annouced for Japan only but no official release date has been released though chances of an EU,NA, and AU release are very high users should not put up speculations of it coming to these territories.-Metalocalypse —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalocalypse(talk • contribs) 15:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Right now I think Square Enix is looking for more english voice cast. Then, after the dubbing is completed (or near completion), they'll announce a release date for other territories.--96.231.37.6 (talk) 19:34, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

September 7th 2010 is the confirmed North American Release date.

GameSpot
Sorry to say this, but it needs to be cleared up: GameSpot, IGN, EGM, etc, NONE of those are reliable sources when it comes to international releases and exports to other regions, mainly because their "confirmations" are either speculation or wishful thinking. If it helps, these 4 are the most reliable sources we can use regarding any new news of releases: SquareEnix themselves; Famitsu; V-Jump; Gamaga. So lets stop this nonsense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by70.188.24.125 (talk) 02:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Why would Famitsu, V-Jump, and Gamaga concern themselves with foreign releases and why are they somehow more reliable than other sources? "LOL JAPAN" is not an answer. ' 03:34, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * What Apostrophe said is true. The japanese public really doesn't care about what games are released outside of Japan, so japanese magazines really wouldn't concern themselves with such. So the only really reliable source you mentioned is SE themselves.HadesDragon 03:38, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Precisely, meaning, if its not coming directly out of Square Enix, its not reliable. I've worked at over 6 different information/news-based sites, so I if were you, I'd at least consider the fact that I know what I'm talking about based on prior experience. What most sites and gaming magazines state is nothing but speculation. Here is an example: how many of your "credible" sites and gaming mags stated cold hard facts that Kingdom Hearts II Final Mix+ IS TOTALLY, absolutely coming to the states? They even went as far as putting up release dates... Now, how much of it was true? Now, I realize Final Mix is a cheap example, and if you're still not convinced, I'll be more than happy to bring up further facts. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 21:22, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Meh, I'm really quite indifferent as to whether the mention of the possibility of an overseas release is up or not. I suppose an official confirmation from SE would be ideal. That's a good point about FM+ though, I was about to mention that.
 * In any case: I really don't know what to do about that. I'll let you discuss that with the other wikipedians, and whatever consensus you come to, I'm game.HadesDragon 21:44, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, I know you mean well and that you're trying to help improve the article, however you are disregarding the guidelines and rules of Wikipedia. By asserting your position and then acting before others respond, you're bypassing the whole purpose of talk pages and the cooperative nature of an open wiki. You may be an authority were you come from, but on wikipedia we're all equal and no one person's decision has the authority to override another's. GameSpot and several other gaming website are considered reliable sources by the Video games Project according to Portal:Video_games/Sources. Other editors are trying to discuss this with you instead of having an edit war with you. If you feel the sources we're using are not valid, then take it up with Video game Project at their talk page. If you continue to delete content and references in this fashion, it can and probably will be construed as vandalism which could lead to your IP address being temporary blocked. You don't want that, and neither do we. If you want to debate this, let's debate it, but please stop deleting the content. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:57, 7 October 2007 (UTC))
 * I do believe that the top of the article declares two important things. One, "The content may change substantially as more information becomes available", and two, "cite a published source for details". While the statement that the game will be released in countries apart from Japan is not 100% confirmed, a published source has been confirmed. And as Guyinblack25 has said, the VG project has considered GameSpot a reliable source. The sentence should be left as it is until a time that "more information becomes available". --kenobi.zero 13:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Then I guess its time you all revise the VG Project statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by70.188.24.125 (talk) 19:39, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Why don't you go talk to them about it at their talk page, then? Start up a discussion, and see what develops. If you win, we'll stick with the japanese releases. If not, then the overseas release thing will still be mentioned.(talk)HadesDragon 19:28, 12 October 2007 (UTC).

You DO realize you're defending a source that is well know for their lack of knowing anything, and infamy of talking bullshit and making things up... —Precedingunsigned comment added by 70.188.24.125 (talk) 01:39, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Please direct such questions to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games. (Guyinblack25 talk 02:13, 12 October 2007 (UTC))
 * Well, it's not really so much as defending it as it is following the rules and guidelines established by Wikipedia. The project lists GS as a realible source. So we can use it. Obviously I'm with you on the fact that sites are often untrustworthy, but even so, we can't just do whatever we want. We have rules to abide by.HadesDragon 02:32, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Gamespot is a reliable source however it is the same as Gamefaqs so if any info from Gamefaqs is found list it as Gamespot as they are the same. However do not post information that Square has not yet confirmed to stop speculations.-Metalocalypse —Preceding unsigned comment added byMetalocalypse (talk • contribs) 15:06, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Majority of the things Gamespot doesn't know, but wants to know, they simply make up. Thats how they are; thus unreliable. —Precedingunsigned comment added by 70.188.35.2 (talk) 00:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Takes place "entirely" in Disney-themed worlds...?
How can that be, when we've already got screenshots of the characters in non-Disney-themed worlds, like Radiant Garden and Destiny Islands? I'm willing to bet it's the result of a mistranslation... WtW-Suzaku (talk) 05:05, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Besides, I doubt the "Gathering Place" is also a "Disney-themed" world. =_= —Preceding unsigned comment added by70.188.25.23 (talk) 00:00, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Teaser Trailer
I believe the link to the teaser trailer should stay. 99.243.182.145 (talk) 20:15, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No. It violates copyright since it links to a teaser trailer uploaded in YouTube. Also, under WP:EL#Links to be avoided include "Links to blogs and personal web pages, except those written by a recognized authority." &mdash; Blue. 20:19, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As the user above said. SG2090 (talk) 20:21, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Screenshots
Since Famitsu put up HQ screen shots of the latest development stage of the game, I think its safe to say the article could use one or two of them, no?
 * We should flesh out the article first before adding fair-use images. Screenshots are better utilized if it adds information instead of being decorative. &mdash;Blue. 03:03, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

About the screenshot on the birth by sleep page. Some imbecile said it was wonderland but it doesn't look like wonderland it looks more like snow white's world to me with a cottage in the background. Better wait til the comfirmation. --Omegace (talk) 08:22, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Worlds?

 * There are a couple new and old worlds that have been featured in screen shots, but there has been no word about what will be playable or just featured in scenes. For now there is very little plot and gameplay info from the press, so most of it is speculation right now. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:51, 29 March 2008 (UTC))

there has been some worlds confirmed, but looking at this article, i doubt people will post the worlds confirmed. —Precedingunsigned comment added by Haseo445 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

gameplay
there has been place that said the the gameplay would be like CoM and would use the card battle system is this true. and if so is it a smart thing to do? i personally dont think so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.60.178.44 (talk) 00:23, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

No i want it to be like an updated kingdom hearts 2 with unimaginably good game play but this is not the place to talk about that in reference to the future......,Grimmjow E6 (talk) 00:25, 22 July 2008 (UTC),

No they said it would be similar to the card battle system. You wont actually use cards since the card system can only exist in Castle Oblivion. The system was said to have a list of attacks on the command menu which allowed you to customize your attacks and combos.

It was also said that you were able to fuse magic attacks with normal attacks. but this part is speculation to me, I'll have to look into it more. Also i suggest you not deny what someone said just because you think it wont happen(Haseo445 (talk) 15:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC))

Kingdom Hearts Featured Topic under 6-month retention
Hi, Following a rule change, Kingdom Hearts now fails featured topic criteria 1.d. and 3.c., asKingdom Hearts 358/2 Days, Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep and Kingdom Hearts coded need to be audited for quality and added to the topic. The topic has 6 months from the time of the rule change, or until 2009-01-03, to re-meet the criterion - rst20xx (talk) 01:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Redirect page for unbirth?
Perhaps we should make a redirect page from it's less... family-friendly meaning to the creatures on this game.--65.11.231.3 (talk) 21:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

DK[Sigma]3713
I'm not very good at editing articles,but recently a lot of information was released about Birth By Sleep. Particularly about the game play. In fact some of it contradicts what is placed on this article. It needs to be updated to show this large amount of new information about the game. —Preceding unsignedcomment added by Roxas strife (talk • contribs) 06:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've been meaning to get around to that. The other two articles have been updated, I just need to find the time to do this one. Hopefully today or this weekend. Sadly though, the amount of new information was actually kind of sparse. (Guyinblack25 talk 13:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC))
 * Done. I'll keep a look out for some more though. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC))

Title
Hey, everyone, if you're there, I'd like to ask a question that's been on my mind for a long time: is the title of this game correct? I mean, this is the only website I've seen that refers to it as "Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep" instead of "Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep". It just seems VERY strange to me, because the title doesn't make sense without the bullet points. It's like saying "Kingdom Hearts Chain of Memories" instead of "Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories". Is there an official document or something that states that the name is "Kingdom Hearts Birth by Sleep" without the bullet points? Because if there isn't, something has to be done about this. Jienum (talk) 15:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... You bring up an interesting point. We had a similar discussion about CoM, see here. In CoM's case, Square Enix was not consistent in their use of the colon, so we decided to defer to the most commonly used form on gaming press sites and fansites; which used the colon. This looks like it may be a similar case.
 * Right now, these official sources show Birth by Sleep without the colon: Press release, Official site. However these gaming press pages list it with the colon: 1UP.com,GameSpot, IGN. But IGN did have some pages with it displayed without the colon: and.
 * I would say wait until the game is released. There will be more press releases and news articles, which will make it easier to gauge. But if it shows up more often with the colon then I guess we should change the article name. We'll probably have to check on the other articles later too. (Guyinblack25 talk 15:43, 4 September 2008 (UTC))
 * Yeah, that sounds like a good idea. I at least wanted to bring this point to the attention of other Wikipedians. Jienum (talk) 17:25, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

"Maleficent is believed to be the main antagonist"
Is this part really necessary? It sounds like pure speculation, and I'm not sure how credible that can be, especially at this point. As a personal opinion, I highly doubt they would make a Disney character THE main antagonist for any Kingdom Hearts game.SacredX (talk) 06:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe so, but that's what the source says. It's not that big of a deal now. Once the game is released there'll be plenty of information in previews, features, and reviews. Plus, she was actually meant to be the end boss of the first game, until they developed the story further. So you never know. (Guyinblack25 talk 12:38, 26 September 2008 (UTC))

What's the source again?

Terra, Aqua and Ven's Master
the plot description hints that terra, aqua and ven's master is master xehanort. But in some interviews tetsuya nomura said it was there own master that sent them to find him, and he was also confirmed to be a new character, so shouldn't we add him into the plot? i dont have a link but i will find one easily.Haseo445 (talk) 15:40, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Ven's identity
although its obvious ven's true name is ventus due to large amount of hints, i suggest we should leave it as ven until its confirmed. tetsuya nomura said one of the main themes is ven's identity, so shouldn't the name "ventus" count as a spoiler. like i said, i suggest we leave it as ven.Haseo445 (talk) 15:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Japan Release Date
This here says it's pushed back to Dec 31 2009. Just wanted to announce before I change it.--Asderoff (talk) 01:01, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Good luck finding a store that releases anything on New Year's Eve. Kariteh (talk) 10:18, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I mean I thought it was odd, but then it could have been commonplace in Japan. The article still says that it's slated for a December release. Perhaps that should be changed.--74.72.4.184 (talk) 22:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Japan usually releases new games on Thursdays so... —Preceding unsigned comment added by74.193.229.228 (talk) 06:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Okay, the info box for the article says TBA. The article itself says December 09. Other KH articles say Summer 09. Which is it?--Asderoff (talk) 19:45, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

"but card decks won't be used, the new game play system will be much like the gameplay of Crisis Core: Final Fantasy VII there will be slots that you can fill in with abilities." Marked for tone 216.93.197.232 (talk) 07:13, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Ven's name
ven's name has not been officially confirmed and suppose to be a mystery....though it's accepted by many fans to be ventus by the little hint tetsuya nomura gave us....but it is still not official....so we must turn everything to ven —Preceding unsigned comment added by24.249.176.77 (talk) 16:55, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's official now, courtesy of a bunch of Japanese magazines.
 * (and the "Unbirths" are actually "Unversed", too) Erigu (talk) 13:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Do we have any publication info about the magazines? Month, year, author, article title, etc.? (Guyinblack25 talk19:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC))

Yes but no one has ever put in a proper source until now, so i'll just leave it. Do you have any proof of "unversed"?Bread Ninja (talk) 18:09, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's there, apparently from the latest (or "next", I guess?) issue of FamiTsū. Erigu (talk) 19:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * We can get the article title and page numbers from the image, but an issue number and/or publication date are arguably more important. The problem with the "latest" issue of Famitsu is that it's no longer the latest a year down the road. :-(
 * I know there are some well meaning fans out there on the internet that would like to see these Wikipedia articles updated, but we can't do much here if such information is not included along with the scans. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC))
 * Well, it's not from the current issue, it's from the next one. I haven't seen the cover, but I imagine that would be the September 10 issue, due for release on August 27? Erigu (talk) 19:50, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Is that page updated regularly with content from the current issue? If that's the case, then we can use it to be sure when the issue was released. (Guyinblack25 talk 19:57, 25 August 2009 (UTC))
 * Yup, in a few days from now. Erigu (talk) 20:23, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * There, it's updated. And it's indeed the September 10 issue, released on August 27. Erigu (talk) 07:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome. The publication date would be 2009- 10 9-10 regardless of the street date. My Japanese is rusty, is "スクープ＆最新情報" the title of the feature or just some description the website uses? The scan doesn't look to have a feature title on those pages. The large text at the top reads more like a quote. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC))
 * It doesn't look like the article is titled at all, actually...
 * (September would be the 9th month, by the way ^^) Erigu (talk) 22:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops. :-p
 * Here's the citation info for anybody who wants to add the content.
 * (Guyinblack25 talk 22:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC))
 * (Guyinblack25 talk 22:29, 27 August 2009 (UTC))

Dark Soldier
Although most of the information here is correct, i must remove any information that the forums themselves have created. Dark soldier has yet to be revealed. He is not commonly referred to as DS....he is only referred to that in the Forums of khinsider. So i completely removed Dark soldier because we have absolutely no fact of him other than he wields a chainless keyblade and that he serves Master XehanortBread Ninja (talk) 16:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No complaints here. Please feel free to keep such content out of the article. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:16, 19 August 2009 (UTC))

It appears that Famitsu has decided to name him "masked wielder", if we find some decent info, we may be able to place him back in but not based completely on KHinsider. that forum pretty much name unknown characters on there own. Maybe IGN has given some review about this character and possibly a little more from famitsu. I do not believe we should use forums for this particular character until more is revealed.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:59, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Plot outline
just so we can get this out of the way and not trouble about it when the game releases. We need to figure out how we will write the plot or story once the game releases. Unlike Chain of memories, Terra Aqua and Ven counter each other several times in the game so it's really difficult to make one plot outline for three scenarios. My idea is too Separate each by three paragraphs and each paragraph explaining each scenarios story. Any one have a better idea of making the outline?Bread Ninja (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This is pure speculation on my part, but I don't believe the plot will be too difficult to organize. Three paragraphs sounds like a good idea. CoM had some similar issues with the enemies encountering the different heroes, so we can maybe use it for some ideas. (Guyinblack25 talk19:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC))

Unbirth vs. Unverse
Which is it? The link saying it was an Unverse is Japanese, and the Japanese pronounciation of both is identical. Is there a source where Unverse is written? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.249.228.224 (talk) 23:49, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's actually "Unversed", which is something you can see for yourself by following the aforementioned link, as the word is spelled out in Latin alphabet.
 * Also, the kana spelling is slightly different (I haven't checked, but I think they changed it, actually). Erigu (talk) 03:20, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Release Date Citation
This website seems like a much more accurate citation for the release date than a forum. http://www.square-enix.co.jp/tgs09/titles/khbbs/

Since it's from Square-Enix, it seems pretty legit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by67.160.138.36 (talk) 18:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I guess we can enter it in.Bread Ninja (talk) 15:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

official website
the official website h as been launched. here it is. some of you already know but just in case....http://www.square-enix.co.jp/kingdom/bbs/. now we can fill in the nihongo template with reference —Preceding unsigned comment added by216.64.190.254 (talk) 20:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Image of joint struggle
i believe we should move the image of Terra aqua and ven onto the Characters of Kingdom Hearts and add a image to the multi-player or "joint struggle" here. I'm sure we can find an Image.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:54, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Gameplay re-summarize
i'm going to have to re-summarize the gameplay, it seems that people confuse systems with just proper naming. Focus and D-link are nothing new, they are just New names given to the systems. D-link is different version of Drive gauge while Focus is another way of saying MP. SO let's not separate them completely.Bread Ninja(talk) 16:07, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Erauqs?
Only 4 English sites claim the spelling is Erauqs, including this page. Meanwhile,all 21 of the Japanese news-sites that have provided romanizations spell it "Erauqxs". This appears to be a combination of the Yen Sid naming scheme, and a precursor of Xehanort and the Organization naming scheme, so while it sounds terrible as hell, it makes sense.128.46.5.71 (talk) 00:47, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually, those websites don mention whther master erauqxs is the corrct spelling. actually most of them dont even mention it. sorry but i'm going to have to remove the X.174.18.138.120 (talk) 18:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Officially confirmed as Master Eraqus. http://forums.khinsider.com/picture.php?albumid=1312&pictureid=9499 KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 05:09, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

khinsider is a forum. i visited there last time, it wasnt confirmed. that forum has no translator, and only questioned whether it was Erauqs. You need to learn how to read and do research. the forums have accepted the name "Erauqs" but now it's confirmed. .Bread Ninja (talk) 16:38, 21 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing that you did not look at what was in the link. It was a link to the Famitsu scan located there which contained the official name and not to the forums. I did read and do my research. Higher Resolution Scan: http://www.khinsider.com/images/BirthBySleep/famitsu_091105_1.jpg As you can see Famitsu has clearly stated that the official name in English is "Eraqus" (look at the scan for confirmation) and not "Erauqs" which was "accepted" by the forums. Just like how the "Unversed" were previously accepted as "Unbirths". The interview contained within that issue also has Nomura stating the name Eraqus is an anagram of the word Square. BTW KHInsider does have a translator now by the name of "Lissar".KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 06:21, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Before this turns into something less civil, I think I should bring up that we don't have the citation information for the Famitsu scan. With Wikipedia's policies, we can't link to the scan as it's a copy right violation of Enterbrain's publication, and we can't just list "latest issue Famitsu" as a year from now it won't be the latest issue anymore.
 * It's great that KHInsider is keeping up with the latest info from Japan, but with out the magazine's publication date or issue number, and the article's title and page numbers, we can't properly cite it. I plan on going through the various Kingdom Hearts articles in the near future, and will have to remove such incomplete citations and unreferenced content. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:24, 22 October 2009 (UTC))
 * Based on your previous citation template I came up with this. For the first scan: For the second scan(Interview):  Are these okay? And do we need to attach pictures of the scans?KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 04:30, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

sorry but i think you misunderstood me. Kiasu i was agreeing with you but i was talking to the other person since that person said only 3 websites naming it erauqs and 21 erauqxsBread Ninja (talk) 15:37, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Guess I should apologize too since I misread your post. I'm sorry. EDIT: The pages are 262,263 for the first scans and 266, 267 for the interview.KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 04:12, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Vanitas
we should avoid using Latin translation to Vanitas. unlike Terra aqua or ventus direct name translation, Vanitas is an abstract word and contains many meanings. Most likely someone obtain the Wikipedia definition. the Wikipedia definition has no source, therefore unreliable. Also Vanitas is much more closer to meaning Vanity, which relates to emptiness.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:27, 20 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Confirmed by Famitsu as Vanitas. http://forums.khinsider.com/picture.php?albumid=1312&pictureid=9500 KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 05:11, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

what I'm saying is that his name has no confirmed translation. yes it is Latin, but it is not a confirmed latin translation that the creator suggested.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

something small
i know it's small but the story technically there's no of mention Master Xehahnort's apprentice or cohort in the plot by other sources. the story is that Eraqus saw the unversed and connected them to Master Xehanort's apprentice and told his apprentices to investigate (according to the latest translation). SO i think it's safe just to remove those minor details.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:27, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

kingdom hearts for psp go
can anyone comfirm the game is coming out for the psp go? —Preceding unsigned comment added by69.249.206.127 (talk) 19:22, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Rumors are that there will be no digital release currently but it is not confirmed yet.KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 10:06, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

NA Release Date
Do we have proof of the NA release? Maggosh (talk) 23:13, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, Jesse McCartney and Chris Sanders are voicing roles in BBS Ven and Stitch respectively so yeah they are doing localisation.KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 14:03, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Speaking of which, where are the Japanese seiyu? Ryōtarō Okiayu has been confirmed for terra, Megumi toyoguchi for Aqua and Koki uchiyama for ventus. i know there are sources for this, but does anyone know where we can find this? Bread Ninja (talk) 17:32, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Easiest source to use is the game's IMDB page which is at the external links section.KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 15:48, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

I think hes asking for the US release date, which is posted as May 15th. Yet there is no official source. The makers never released a date. Which means it should be scrapped.Mwarriorjsj7 (talk) 17:02, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Vanitas
there is now information that Vanitas looks like sora and that he is a replica of ven using his darkness, even though there is no source. this feels oddly similar to the situation with Xion having megumi tayoguchi as her seiyu. plus the game has yet to come out yet. if it were true, then i'm all for it, but stuff like that should really be sourcedBread Ninja (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Will a blockage be required?
Since the game is out now, I expect or at least believe that a lot of people will likely flock to this article to write down tons of stuff and cruft and editing wars may start. Will the article have to be put on a locked form of editing? Evilgidgit (talk) 20:52, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

English release date
Is there an official source for it? Harpiesiren (talk) 04:03, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Nope. Somebody's vandalized it too. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Overlording (talk • contribs) 22:48, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

blame some dudes at a justin.tv stream of a Ventus playthrough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.102.54.3 (talk) 23:12, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Can we please have the colon back in now?
Two major points:


 * I did a Google search on "Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep" (despite knowing that punctuation isn't actually included) and checked the first three pages (because there's no way I'm checking 31.7 million!). 22 out of 30 results (10 per page) included the colon. Majority victory.
 * It's just common grammatical sense! Main titles and subtitles are separated by colons! (Assuming there are just the two).

Every time I see this article name without the colon, it chips away at my sanity, bit by bit. I implore you, Wikipedia! Save me! Yellow Mage (talk) 10:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

the official name is without the colon, therefore no colon will be added. you can live with the fact that the colon will not be added. just live with ti, i think i've seen the same argument before but either way, a colon wont do much.

EDIT: also, it's all one title, it's all one main title.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:29, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Release date in NA
The release date of Kingdom Hearts: Birth by sleep in NA is on may,15.

The reference is here, on this page: http://www.e3.net/games/kingdom-hearts-birth-by-sleep/3162932/1 --Ekans La Cobra (talk) 20:51, 14 January 2010 (UTC) —Precedingunsigned comment added by Ekans La Cobra (talk • contribs) 19:28, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
 * That is not a proper source. It is not the official E3 site despite the url. The release date stated is just a guess or estimate like what IGN does. There is not really any concrete proof behind it.KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 13:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Table of reviews
Have more reviews of Birth by Sleep?

Will you do a table of the reviews, like in others games articles(Like Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days and others serie games), for Birth by Sleep?

--Ekans La Cobra (talk) 20:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC) Is very good, do it please —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ekans La Cobra (talk • contribs) 19:43, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Will you do? *=o

Ekans La Cobra (talk) 14:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Not at the moment, since there is only one review from Famitsu. When the US release comes and other reviews are released, then we will put up a table.KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 13:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I wonder...
Since the 3 main characters are named as 3 of 4 basic elements, why did they left out Ignis? - Jope12 (talk) 14:39, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Kingdom Hearts has always been around Trios :) Terra, Ventus, Aqua. Sora, Riku, Kairi. Hayner, Pence, Olette. Roxas, Axel, Xion. So they had to leave one out, I don't think there's a particular reason.KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 18:16, 17 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's supposed to parallel Sora, Riku and Kairi, that is to say Sky, Land and Sea = Wind, Earth and Water. Harpiesiren (talk) 12:16, 29 January 2010 (UTC)

Story difference?
In subbed videos on the game, it says that the Terra and Aqua weren't sent to find Master Xehanort, but complete a test to find and protect the seven princesses of heart to determine who gets to take Master Eraqus's place to rule over the Land of Departure. Master Xehanort was meant to act as a guide on specific worlds and was never considered missing, but then used the test to further his plans. Also, no one knew of the existence of Vanitas until Ventus informed Master Eraqus about him. The subs in the videos may not be that credible though so I was just wondering if anyone found more credible sources that state this information.-darknessofhearts —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.115.39.222 (talk) 01:13, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Richard Epcar as Xehanort
Richard Epcar confirmed on my Facebook that he is voicing Xehanort, but I don't know how to make the page into an image that I can use as a source. Someone help me please.Jienum (talk) 21:02, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't believe screen shots of web pages meet the definition of a reliable source. Though this occurs on other pages, this practice is discouraged. There's no rush. I'm sure a reliable gaming source will pick up the information eventually. (Guyinblack25 talk 21:14, 26 February 2010 (UTC))
 * OK, but I just wanted it to be known that Epcar's voicing Xehanort, because it still says he declined to comment. Anyway, doesn't matter :P Jienum (talk) 22:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Rank table
just wondering if there ever was a rank table in the reception, or if it has been removed.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, a table hasn't been added yet. (Guyinblack25 talk 20:38, 17 March 2010 (UTC))
 * oh ok. then i'll add it in next week or if anyone else wishes to do so, you can.Bread Ninja (talk) 20:58, 17 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Wait, do you mean there are already import reviews of the game?Tintor2 (talk) 00:43, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * How many reviews are there? So far the only actual review is Famitsu's, also do import reviews count?KiasuKiasiMan (talk) 10:44, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Typically, import reviews on the sites we consider reliable are labeled as previews and don't provide a score. The table can be added with only one score, but I don't see the need to rush. (Guyinblack25 talk 14:07, 18 March 2010 (UTC))


 * Very well, i'll wait a little more to add the table.Bread Ninja (talk) 16:28, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Release date's cite says otherwise
The game was released in Japan on January 9, 2010,[4] and is currently planned for December 31 2010 release in North America and Europe.[5]

I went to the fifth reference and it talks about the game coming out in the summer. December is not the summer in the Northern Hemisphere. (Where NA is) So Until someone can actually back up the games coming out in December don't put it in the article!

I'm guessing whoever made the edit is going off of Gamestop. Gamestop always sets the release date of a game to the last day of the year if they don't know when its real release date is. Ant rocks 09 (talk) 19:11, 18 March 2010 (UTC)

"Setting" section refs
It has been said that the game itself is generally implied as the reference for the plot sections. Unless the content states something that is not obvious, it is implied that the game is being used as the source. I do think the section is a bit too large though. Blake (Talk·Edits) 16:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)


 * Until the game comes out in English we will know what we can ref in-game. until then we wait for it to come out in English and even then play the game or watch the guide.Bread Ninja (talk) 17:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * What I am saying is that When to cite states that plot sections don't need to be sourced, unless it is a statement that is likely to be challenged. The work itself is assumed to be the source, so no source is needed, unless you state something the characters doing something crazy and completely different then their normal behavior, which is likely to be challenged. Blake (Talk·Edits) 18:53, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * In that case, then we use the birth by sleep Ultimania. Which i'm sure some of us have already read. Or an interview. Unusual behavior wont be challenged as often, but stuff with multiple interpretations most likely willBread Ninja (talk) 18:54, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Blake is correct that sourcing is not needed for the average plot section. But sourcing it has been a practice within the VG project for a couple of years now. The obsession to source plot sections in video games stems from the project's push to get articles to FA status. Among the laundry list of complaints and objections we encountered at FACs, sourcing was one of them. The idea was to source everything to be better safe than sorry.
 * In short, adding proper sources to the plot section is never a bad idea, but there's no need to dig extensively to do so. (Guyinblack25 talk 16:58, 28 April 2010 (UTC))
 * It is mainly to prove that it isn't original research. But as long as you say "He did this" instead of "He angrily did this", you should be fine. Blake (Talk·Edits) 17:10, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

American Release Date
Okay, so Square-Enix's official website has finally confirmed the release date of Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep to be September 7th, 2010. On top of this, the website also added the trailer that Gamestop leaked and took down mere days ago, and the European sites for Birth by Sleep have also revealed that the game will be coming to Europe three days after on September 10th. So could someone edit the page with this new information as soon as possible, please?. Also, would it be best to edit the Localisation page with the extra infro from the trailer? Like, as one example, Aqua's back is no longer censored so more of it can be viewed. Hyper Zander (talk) 16:57, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

colon
The colon does not belong in the title, even when it is mentioned by Square-Enix, it does not have one. They are the main publishers of the game, so obviously their way presenting the title is the correct way. It needs to be removed. --Sdoo493 (talk) 21:04, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

the official english site does have a colon. so it's not really a bid deal, though i wonder if other titles apear with it. i think the only one that should be without it is mobile and coded.Bread Ninja (talk) 01:45, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

I've opened up further discussion on the matter. Heavyweight Gamer (talk) 14:02, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

more detail on last episode
just putting it on here in discussion so i can make sure it gets approved. i was thinking more detail on last episode. terra calls out to aqua when she's in castle oblivion, when she finds terra (with no memories), then master xehanort takes control and fights and gets defeated, right before the end of the battle terra takes over and uses his keyblade to stab himself with the kyblade and send him and master xehanort to the realm of darkness. and the rest is already included. still, does anyone argue that this shouldn't be added?

I disagree. If anything, the Story section needs far less detail. We don't need to know every little thing that happens; it has to be concise and to the point. Also, don't forget to sign comments with " ~ ". Heavyweight Gamer (talk) 09:16, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

less detail, but in the trivial areas. but explaining who was in control i feel that was a bit more important in understanding the plot more. we can't make everything sound too random.Bread Ninja (talk) 23:23, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Changes to story
I've been looking over the English version of BBS and there are some changes have been made to the story. Should i change it now or wait until its released? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.79.187 (talk) 19:56, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

What changes would these be, exactly? I keep up with updates on Birth by Sleep almost daily, and I've heard nothing of these "story changes". --Hyper Zander (talk) 13:55, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Move protection
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