Talk:Kingdom Hearts II/Archive 6

Fourth?
In the Trivia section, it says that there are hints of a fourth game if the user accomplishes certain tasks...Shouldent that be "The third series"?
 * GYAAA.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE.

CHAIN OF MEMORIES COUNTS AS THE SECOND TITLE, PEOPLE. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 06:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Dude, do you really need that many? It's quite the eyesore.--The Crowing 18:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * He simply copied and pasted it from the article itself. And that still doesn't seem to get the message across that Chain of Memories counts as the second title. Geg 18:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Quit spamming up the talk page please. Say it one time. Plus, I don't think COM is the second game. I think it's a NO game. So KH and KH2 are the real games. That's my opinion. I am General456 00:58, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, no matter how hard you think, Chain of Memories will continue to exist and continue to count as the second title in the series. Also, please don't revive two month old discussions unless you have something significant to say. Axem Titanium 02:28, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually... Chain of Memories is more like Kingdom Hearts 1.5 since it's just bridging the gap between 1 and 2.  Hence the reason it was a GBA title and not a full-blown PS2 title.  - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 00:04, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

while you may argue that because it was a GBA game it isnt significant, a rumoured remake is being created for the PS2, check www.khinsider.com, and if you count the remixes (I don't) it would bring the total to 4 games with 2 in developement (COM for PS2 and KH2:FM)
 * It's not rumored, it's confirmed...and remakes and special releases aren't really separate installments.—ウルタプ 00:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

KH:COM isn't really considered to be a real "main" game; hence the lack of a "2" or "II" in the first or second title. Think of it as a KH 1.5 like what Yoshi said... and as for the Final Mixes, think of them as Director's Cuts or something. But really; since COM gave a reason for Sora's stats resetting, what would do the job in KH3? (just a question...) mortified_penguin contact  00:31, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

PEOPLE THERE REFERING TO THE KINGDOM HEARTS MOBILE GAME AS THE THIRD! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.29.76.179 (talk • contribs).

Revisions
How come this article has more revisions than Intelligent Design which is a very controversial article? Its at the 46th place, and is also 2nd highest game on that list (after RuneScape which is 6th). Shinhan 15:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Because there's a lot of shitty edits that get immediately reverted. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 21:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Intelligent Design attracts scholars. Kingdom Hearts attracts kids. Kakashi-sensei 07:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

60 Hz???
I saw on Kingdom Hearts Ultimania that the European Version of KH2 is going to be in 60 Hz. What does that mean? Is it any different from the first game? Jienum 14:19, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ummm... no clue? Axem Titanium 22:12, 7 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Umm then what was the point of adding a comment Axem? I think it means the quality of the game on the TV. I dont remember for sure. And Axem Jienum and Axem, this isnt a Forum, go to KHU or some other fan site and ask that question. IamCool316 18:40, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, IamCool316, way to contribute to the discussion even more. Now, I suggest you go make some more meaningful edits before accusing either of us of being unproductive to the general betterment of the article. Axem Titanium 23:18, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes but you just posted a few words of crap. I atleast hepled this poor kid out in answering his question instead of saying..." Ummm... no clue?" IamCool316 13:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I only wanted an answer, not a lecture or an argument. But thanks anyway. Jienum 11:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * 60Hz PAL is a non-standard television display signal, in contrast with the standard 50Hz PAL format used in most of Europe, Australia, and various other parts of the world. Because the NTSC formats used in the US and Japan displays the signal in 60Hz, some of you may know that console games have to be adjusted to PAL format for European release, and the quality of these adjustments range from good to very poor, with Square tending to make poor conversions. Such conversions usually just slow down the game from the original 60Hz to 50Hz, which can have an effect on the game, depending on the title. The better conversions also change the resolution of the video from the original 480 lines to the 576 lines used for the PAL format, though many just add in black lines to the top and bottom of the image to make up for these extra lines, whether because of technical limitation, or due to laziness in making a good conversion.


 * Recently, more games are being released in 60Hz, which is basically 480 lines at 60Hz (the same as NTSC), but with PAL colour coding (for reference, regular PAL format is 576 lines at 50Hz). The advantage to this is that there are no adverse effects that could come about from adjusting to the standard 50Hz PAL format, which include a squashed display with black bars at the top and bottom of the screen described previously (for example in Final Fantasy X or the original Kingdom Hearts), and that games run at the same speed as they did in their original Japanese and US release.


 * However, to display such a signal, you will need a compatible TV - most PAL TVs that can display NTSC should have no problem and unless you have an ancient TV, things should be fine. Since this is Wikipedia, just use the search function on the left and search for things like TV display formats if you want to find out more. hirokazu 04:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's wierd though, my tv can support my GC's and my DVD's 60Htz singnal (NTSC) but normaly it don't work with my PS2's 60Htz signal. And now it does with KH II. Bizzare. --Conan-san 08:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The reason for that is because the PS2's 60Hz mode is just outputting NTSC rather than a PAL signal at 60Hz like the GC does. Not sure about your DVD player though. I got Kingdom Hearts 2 PAL last week Wednesday and it definitely doesn't do 60Hz, there's no option for it or whatever, so I don't where the reports of 60Hz came from. hirokazu 17:23, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

It's 50 Hz but they made adjustments to the game's speed and to the picture itself so that it still runs at full speed and doesnt have those black borders. So basically it runs like 60Hz. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.134.244.82 (talk • contribs).

I don't like this one line.
In the final Mix section it says that the first disc contains the content added to the US version of the game. This is wrong. The only thing they would have is an English voice track. Other than that, things were removed in the English version. All of the new content is not from the English version, someone whould rewrite this. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.16.8.148 (talk • contribs).

True,there was no extra content for the international versions this time. 84.134.253.50 21:43, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

It does. When the English Version came, North America's SquareEnix put the extra stuff; then the Japanese got irritated, took the English content, added it to their Japanese version along with some more new things, and distributed it as Final Mix. I read that before; I just don't remember where... mortified_penguin contact  00:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

The person before me is right. THey add boss fights (Sephiroth) for english gamers as more incentive to re-release in japan. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.174.19.61 (talk • contribs).

Main image.
Is it me, or does the main image on this article suck. Smaller is one thing, but not so small that it turns out all pixelated on the page. -Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 02:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've tried to find a better picture, but I can only find Japanese versions.-- S U  I  T  02:51, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently the image had to be reduced due to fair use reasons. The Splendiferous Gegiford 02:56, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I just found a bigger image...-- S U  I  T  02:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I just resized the image to 256px which is the correct size for the infobox. Axem Titanium 04:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

It looks much better now. -Saturn Yoshi THE VOICES 04:22, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts II Soundtrack
I don't understand. Is the Soundrack for the second game in English? Because it lists the song as Passion which is the Japanese version. If it is only in Japanese are there any plans to release and English version as well? I know this isn't the Soundtrack discussion board but I thought maybe someone edited this would have some input for me. Thanks Nebelum 14:59, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

The English version, titled Sanctuary, was, according to some source, composed first before the Japanese one (Passion). The melody is exactly the same, not like Hikari and Simple and Clean. Try to search youtube for "Sanctuary utada hikaru"--147.197.190.40 04:45, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Yes but I'm not just looking for the song. I want to know if the whole CD is in English.216.229.205.110 15:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Well, the others are instrumental only, so it does not matter. The only 2 tracks that are either Japanese or English: Passion - Opening, and Passion - After the Battle. My CD is a Japanese CD, the booklet in Japanese, track list in english. I always buy the Japanese version.--W Tanoto 01:41, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Cover Art and CD Art for Kingdom Hearts 1 and 2
It might be good to include the Japanese Version, and European Version as well. I found it is quite annoying only to have the American version on display. The British also speaks english, and this is English Wikipedia. I can still understand if the Japanese version is excluded, because it is not Japanese wiki. Although they are similar, but there are some differences, although not as big as the difference in Final Fantasy IX.

How about adding CD arts, so the article will look better. I volunteered to take picture of each CD arts from different versions (I got all 3), if this proporsal is approved.--147.197.190.40 04:38, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There are articles for the songs which you can add the CD art to if you can provide a good fair use rationale. Axem Titanium 16:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

What the hell does this line mean?
WHAT THE HELL DOES THIS LINE MEAN?!? "Just like Namco, Sega, Ubisoft distrubutes this game." It's driving me CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Roxyr (talk • contribs)
 * I am not really sure. Maybe that person hate ubisoft. FYI, the european kingdom hearts II was published by ubisoft.--147.197.190.40 21:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Replaced Spoilers
I don't think it's a good idea to expose the entire plot and ending of the game without spoiler warnings. I don't see any discussion that required removal of such warnings, so I replaced them. It's not fair for those who want to read a small amount to be inundated with details of how the game ends. If someone can convince me why the spoiler warnings shouldn't exist, feel free to discuss. Trodaikid1983 05:49, 7 November 2006 (UTC)


 * So you added spoilers, it's no big deal.-- SUI T 42 05:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Because we're not here to make a POV coddling of people who are dumb enough to not expect spoilers in a section named "Plot" or somehow expect Wikipedia to cater to their fetish for ignorance. If you don't want to be spoiled, then read the back of the case or read a review. Wikipedia is here to provide information, nothing more. It was decided by experienced editors not to have those and they're staying out. Interrobamf 06:31, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow. Care to be a little less irritated? There's no reason to be rude or to think that you run the show. It's called tact. Trodaikid1983 06:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * My opinion on the matter is rather blunt. I'm sorry you disagree. Interrobamf 06:42, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, you could try being less blunt and more polite. You don't run the show and frankly you could've explained the matter in a less rude and less "know it all" way. Have fun, I won't touch your precious Kingdom Hearts article again.Trodaikid1983 06:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Interrobamf could be a little more tactful, but honestly, this issue has been brought up way too many times by ignorant people bitching about how they came to Wikipedia and got spoiled. The truth is that Wikipedia has spoilers and does not censor them. If Interro has managed to discourage another editor from complaining about it with a blunt argument, then I say he's done a good job. Axem Titanium 14:18, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

No wai
I'm not sure "fuse" is the right word to describe how Sora gets these modes. If he fuses with either donald or goofy, then shouldn't goofy had disappeared when Sora first went in to Valor in Yen Sid's castle. CNN says, yes.Trunksamurai 17:33, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The party member disappears when Sora's in whatever Form. This is explained in the game. One-off error (and there's a lot in this game) isn't going to change that. I don't see what the Hell CNN has to do with this. Interrobamf 19:13, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * What do you mean a lot of mistakes in this game. Name a few others. Just wondering. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.247.21.25 (talk • contribs).

Duel Stance Reaction Command
I was thinking about this for a bit and thought that the Duel Stance reaction command seems to be quite familiar to that of Yojimbo's overdrive (Gah, can't think of the name of it) as they do the same moves by the looks of it. Couldn't that be a nod to the overdrive of Yojimbo or just a coincedence? Drakehellman 05:37, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * WP:NOR, and the "samurai duel" motif has been used long before Final Fantasy X. Interrobamf 07:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

About "Mickey's Help"/ Shorten talk page?
When I played KH2 several times, the only boss battle where I died and Mickey appeared was in Beast's Castle in the Xaldin boss battle. I have a feeling that "certain boss battles" may not be right, but it's just a feeling. Is there any other boss battles where it's confirmed where Mickey appears?

And also, could someone archive some of the page? The box at the top of my editing screen says it's "42 kilobytes long" and that it suggests to archive some of it. mortified_penguin contact  19:26, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * He's in the Cerberus battle as well, and why don't you archive the page?-- SU IT  20:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Done archiving, I just hope I didn't do it wrong...

Is that the only other boss battle? The Cerebus wasn't that hard... mortified_penguin contact  00:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Your archive was perfect. Good job. About the Mickey thing, I'm pretty sure Ultimania says he can appear in any boss battle up until a certain point, but only if you manage to get yourself killed. Axem Titanium 04:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. I got Mickey twice in the Xaldin one, and since I "only" found it there, I suspected it was the only one... Ah well.

-Fin mortified_penguin contact  04:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

He'll also appear in Demyx fight. Youtube, yo. Trunksamurai 23:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

He won't appear in the Demyx fight! If he did, when I died 20 time trying to fight him, Mickey would've came to save me!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivi Leonhart (talk • contribs)

It's stated in most Strategy Guides which battles he will appear in, and also states the probability of it.. (same goes for AntiForm). You're just unlucky. - Zero1328 Talk? 11:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Mickey doesn't appear in the Demyx fight, I know since that was the first time I ever died and if it's your first time and Mickey can appear in that fight it's guaranteed he will that time, so no he wont appear during that fight.--67.174.128.249 9:57, 12, December 2006 (UTC)

Other Media References
< mukou 22:02, 22 November 2006 (UTC) >

Would a section on references (not direct cameos, obviously; but rather, more discreet references). For example, these ones:

--> Highwind, a common airship name used in the Final Fantasy series.

--> Demyx, who seems rather like David Bowie, plus his famous quote "Dance, Water, Dance" seems rather like the song from "the Labyrinth", "Dance, Magic, Dance", which was interestingly performed by bowie!

--> 'Master Form' looks fairly similar to Tidus' Final Fantasy X attire.

There may be more, but that is all I can think of right now. Since this article does not contain this subject, I thought it would be interesting to add... Thoughts?
 * That sounds pretty OR to me. It probably wouldn't fly with some of the more strict editors. Axem Titanium 04:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't get too much into that, it's just probably something the americans did, and not the japanese. You could if you want I guess. Go ahead Trunksamurai 23:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Kingdom Hearts III
Is there going to be a third one? The secret ending at the end of it makes it seem like there's going to be a third one.Mr.Rachel 20:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, there will be a third one on the PS3. Everyone knows that. Trunksamurai 23:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I read that it may have diffrent charecters though and that Sora may not be in it but nothing is offical. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Themasterofwiki (talk • contribs).


 * You say "everyone" knows that there will be a sequel. Well... I sure didn't (though it doesn't surprise me). I certainly haven't seen anything that is not pure speculation based on a cutscene/video that may or may not be a teaser, and the page "Kingdom Hearts III" protected from being re-created at this point. However, I admit I wouldn't know where to look. Has anyone any sources? -- Sarranduin (Talk) 21:40, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that as of now, there haven't been any official statements about a Kingdom Hearts III being made. And if there will be one, I'm pretty sure they haven't even started developing it yet, as Nomura's team is busy with Final Fantasy Versus XIII. The Splendiferous Gegiford 22:52, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as I can remember, the closest thing to it is that in one of his interviews, Nomura has mentioned great interest in making it, and Disney is also interested in making it. It's not officially stated at all or in any development at all, because his team is working on Versus XIII right now. There are also other projects that his team will be working on but he wasn't able to comment what it was, so KH3 may take a while.. - Zero1328 Talk? 23:21, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

New award
Just added a new award to the award section. Feel free to edit as you wish, if you don't see it fit.Trunksamurai 22:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

More content editing
Something a group on Livejournal discovered via Youtube- in the Japanese version of the game, Axel himself is on fire during his kamikaze attack. He's not in the American version. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.197.107.29 (talk) 21:00, 6 December 2006 (UTC).


 * You're right! Thanks alot. I'll do it Trunksamurai 17:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

The Plot
...is way too long, and incredibly confusing. I've spent nearly an hour editing this article, but there's a problem- I've never actually played the game! I figured if I could make the article understandable to myself, it might be more reader-friendly in general. I started to wade in, but decided to leave that section mostly intact, as I have no idea what's truly important and what can be safely cut. I'd suggest a bold halving, if not fourth-ing of the entire plot section, making it a more basic and not-quite-as-intimidating outline, instead of a step by step. -- Sarranduin (Talk) 23:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, as a regular editor of this article, I'll be the first to admit that the plot section isn't really up to snuff. The whole article could use a bit of editting as well, but I haven't really had the time. Maybe I'll try it this week... Axem Titanium 04:04, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Redid the plot section entirely. I've dropped bunches of detail and subplots that weren't needed, such as Axel. Hope it's understandable now. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 06:58, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Final Mix
So after all the information that's been released at the Tokyo Game Show and Jump Festa '06 don't you think that we should add in some new info about Kingdom Hearts Final Mix II?--Soccerguy1039

Can I ask why my edits on the information released at Jump Festa '07 keep on getting erased? I was there to see it so it's not anything unreliable, and I think the fans would appreciate it if the KH wiki had that information up there for them to see. Vulchu 00:06, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There's no point in being that detailed about extra features. This isn't gamefaqs or anything. The Splendiferous Gegiford 00:25, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But there've already been posts with all the previously released information on Final Mix. I don't see why the Jump Festa information would be any different. Vulchu 00:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There isn't any reason for it to not be there, so it should stop being deleted.--Soccerguy1039
 * Because it's very irrelevant to the general reader. "New scenes and battles" is enough. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 16:42, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I think that the info on Final Mix+'s new features and release should be put as something like "The first disc will contain Kingdom Hearts II with new cutscenes, bosses, and enemies added. The second disc will contain a remake of Kingdom Hearts: Chain of Memories with new graphics, cutscenes and voiceovers. It is scheduled for a 2007 release in Japan, with North American and European releases rumored." I'm not sure if that is completely factual or something that is phrased right for Wikipedia, though. Anyone mind helping me confirm the accuracy and review the quality in my suggestion before I edit the article? Thanks! FreakyMutantMan 00:12, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Stateside Release info http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3156374 172.147.47.137 21:52, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Memory Card needed?
Why does it say that a memory card is needed to play? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by The Pheonix Fowl (talk • contribs) 19:17, 24 December 2006 (UTC).


 * so you can continue your game from whatever point you stop from...unless you just wanna play the game from teh beginning each time you want to play the game

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.153.220.57 (talk • contribs).

All PS2 games are like that but not all of them say you NEED an 8MB memory card to play. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.13.227.118 (talk • contribs).

Secret Symbol
When Roxas is in the mansion in the 6th day, he's drawing the nobody symbol on the table. There's also a heartless symbol. AND, there's another symbol. It's similar to the Nobody symbol, except upside down. So it looks like a heart with three spikes coming out. Think we could mention it? Trunksamurai 14:29, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's the crown motif you see on the Keyblade. There's nothing to say about it. '  (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 16:04, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nnnnno it looks nothing like that Trunksamurai 22:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Although the crown is the best thing anyone can come up with, it is obscured enough to the point that saying anything would be speculation on our part. Besides, we don't know the significance of that whole thing besides opening up the floor; once again, it'd be speculation.—ウルタプ 22:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Music
I'm not sure if this is worth mentioning, but when you reverse the music, you get weird lyrics. A lot of people on the internet have noticed this, too. Shouldn't it be under controversy or something, because there are a lot of "OMGZ SATAN" people complaining.. - Eperdermic
 * It's already on the Utada Hikaru theme music pages. I don't see how it's a controversy since they're intentional, pretty well publicized and completely related to the game and not Satan... Axem Titanium 04:09, 4 January 2007 (UTC)