Talk:Kingdom of Kush/Archive 1

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" Kushite royal statues, particularly examples from Upper Egypt, emphasize the foreign, non-Egyptian origin of their subjects. This head, perhaps of King Shabaqa, shows the ruler with a broad, nearly round face characteristic of the Kushite people." What the writer is trying to say, is that he thinks Black people are somehow foreign and not native to Egypt. What evidence is there that the Kushite royal statutes 'emphasize the foreign, non-Egyptian origin of their subjects'? Lower Nubia has been part of Egypt for thousands of years. Look at the statues of the 1st Dynasty through 5th Dynasty, and they don't look very differently. MrSativa (talk) 23:53, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

Unsourced Content
Between 1100 and 750 B.C., little is known of Nubia, but after 750, a new Cushite kingdom appeared at Napata near the Fourth Cataract and rapidly expanded into a huge empire. To the south, Meroe was founded. To the north, Egypt had fallen into fragments under Libyan rulers, and the Cushites extended their control north of Thebes, the cult center of the god Amun in Egypt, who was also the most favored deity of Kush. Piye, most famous of Kush's pharaohs, united the Nile Valley from the Mediterranean to Meroe, creating one of Africa's greatest states. He and his successors are known as Egypt's Twentyfifth Dynasty. One, Taharqo, was a great builder, and the Kushite rulers led Egypt to its last age of outstanding achievement, which reached its peak in the sixth century B.C. But when Kush tried to stop the westward advance of Assyria in Asia, Taharqo and his successor Tanutamani were defeated and expelled from Egypt by 650 B.C. In Nubia and Sudan, Kush continued to be a major state for a thousand years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 158.38.88.131 (talk) on 11 May 2003


 * Why is this information in the Talk page instead of in the article page? -- Zoe
 * It is unsourced. Can you help with a citation?Fconaway (talk) 21:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

written language?
Why was this edit accepted as gospel? Is there any evidence that the Kush had a written language of their own at the same time the Egyptians did? I don't recall a Nubian writing system in competition with cuneiform, hieroglyphics, et al.

Wouldn't you agree there is a semantic difference between: and
 * no writings have been found
 * no writings have been thought to exist

Additionally, other drive-by edits from this user have been consistently reverted. It would be great if anyone knows an anthropologist out there (or has the time for research over this small edit) that can confirm whether these people were thought to have a written language that has no surviving artifacts or whether they just simply didn't have a written language. --DRolfe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.177.151.51 (talk) on 22 July 2005


 * In reference to Zoe's question, the textbook "World Civilizations: The Global Experience" (Longman, 3rd edition) states that "By the year 1000 B.C.E. (sic.), the independent kingdom of Kush was flourishing along the upper Nile. It possessed a form of writing derived from Egyptian hieroglyphics (and which has not yet been fully deciphered) and mastered the use of iron." (p. 89) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.246.171.106 (talk) 20 September 2006

To the man who questions whether or not the Kushites had a writiing system of their own, let me ask you this. You know the civilization of Kush existed, right? Tell me then, is it possible to run a civilized society without a written script? Has there ever a civilization that existed that did not have a writing system of any kind? yes or no. I would really to hear your answer on this. Is that possible?---Kim — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.47.28 (talk) 04:17, 2007 December 6 (UTC)

I believed they were called the Inca, no? -Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.180.240.201 (talk) 16:23, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Meroe and Egypt are really synonymous in regard to the people’s ethnicity. They were both Habeshas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.52.224.185 (talk) 20:23, 2006 December 21 (UTC)

- Habeshas?! LOL! sorry, They were not Habeshas. One doesn't start seeing habeshsa until the time of the Axumite empire. Egypt and Cush existed long before the Axumites even existed! No, in terms Egyptians and Cushites were of different, but related ethnicities, neither of which is Habesha.---Kim — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.47.28 (talk) 04:09, 2007 December 6 (UTC)

Disambiguation needed
The proper noun "Kush" definately needs disambiguation. It is

[1] (apparently) the name of a region in ancient Egypt. See Kush

[2] also of a widely venerated character in Hindu religious legend. See: Kush (Hindu) and Kusha

[3] Furthermore, it is possibly the name of a Biblical character as well, a grandson of Noah.

[4] And, "Kush" is part of the given names of certain Cannabis Indica/Sativa L. strains. e.g.: Purple Kush, Orange Kush, O.G. Kush.

so there is need for proper disambiguation, and for the title of the page to reflect content. Hence the names I have suggested, also the disambiguation page I have created; see Kush (disambiguation)

Administrators. please see the point in this and do the needful

-Anon —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.205.237.140 (talk) 18 September 2005

There was something more to see, but ppl. didnt a — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.189.143.105 (talk) 01:21, 2006 December 2 (UTC)

SPELLING NEEDS CORRECTION - SOUTH OF EGYPT IS CUSH. There may be political or historical revisionist ideals for using the K instead of C because that spelling seems more Arabic or Asian. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Provence Tuscana (talk • contribs) 06:16, 2008 August 4 (UTC)


 * Actually, I think you will find the spelling Cush is conventionally used for Biblical Cush, while the spelling Kush is more often encountered for the polity described by this article; of course there is some degree of interchangeability, both between the spellings and the topics, but we should not go changing the spelling used here without consensus! Til Eulenspiegel (talk) 12:07, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Please explain using Kush for describing the "polity" in this article. There might be a link with the English translation of Cush in the Bible and the Cushites south of Egypt. Ethiopia and Egypt are mentioned in the Bible and they still exist and are not mythical places. Whoever chose this spelling, I did not find it in three quick searches of published encyclopedias. Would someone show support by citation. How can this be discussed? It seems arbitrary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.143.225.217 (talk) 12:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC) The Cush were ancestors of the Aksum people who we agree are Habesha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.187.123.58 (talk) 09:14, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Added a FACT tag to introductory paragraph.
The statement in that paragraph which asserts that the Cushite form of female dominated leadership is "unique in history" is in definite need of citation. Also, in what way was it unique? -- Low Sea (talk) 14:17, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

needs Pictures, more research, more sources
there is barely anything documented about the rich history of Africa. about history, culture, ancient religions, traditions, rituals, etc. and it is not taught (whatsoever) in schools in america ...  it's lame. BriEnBest (talk) 14:12, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Actually, it's taught in my school, and if you think the article's lame, then could you help add more to it? Cailunet rawr 03:51, 9 December 2008 (UTC)


 * there are endless books on Africa's history. It's the information age.  Maybe start with the UNESCO General History of AFrica series and branch out from there.EditorfromMars (talk) 22:13, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

I need help!
Hey I need help on something Im doing an essay on ancient Egypt and Kush. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.82.152.18 (talk) 02:33, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

So do some research. That's why essays are assigned in school, so you'll learn how to do this. The library is a good start. Your school might have online resources you can use as well. From the look of this article, no one here knows how to do proper research anyway, so you're barking up the wrong tree! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.208.120.38 (talk) 02:25, 2008 October 31 (UTC)

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Ackees (talk) 15:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Origins
I have been doing some research on this subject and as I was looking at this page I noticed that the origins section is some what bare, and some Citations are needed. As of right now I am still researching but I am thinking of maybe expanding on the origins section. EmilyC5 (talk) 15:27, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be great. More citations always help and I agree that the section needs expansion. Let me know if you need any help with anything. Dreambeaver  (talk) 14:49, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Persia?
Excuse my ignorance, but why is '(Persia)' just below 'Egypt'? 86.185.216.128 (talk) 08:11, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Because at that point (maybe around 450 BC) Egypt was a Persian province. But the map is confusing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.127.204.250 (talk) 10:30, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

I think it is best to find a map that accurately depicts its province status, and not one that makes it seem as if the two are synonymous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ryan12347 (talk • contribs) 13:46, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree with @milosHaran that a map of Africa with a heading 1000 BCE to xxxx should not show Egypt as a part of PersiaEditorfromMars (talk) 22:10, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Result into sock puppet investigation into Nubia123
VanMills has been blocked indefinitely, see Sockpuppet investigations/Nubia123. Dougweller (talk) 13:20, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Ancient African Kingdoms by Margaret Shinnie
Graham Connah mentions in African Civilizations (1987) that there is a book called Ancient African Kingdoms by Margaret Shinnie which was published in 1965 and contained a chapter on Kush. I am leaving a note here about that possible source in case someone else is interested in looking further at it. Kind regards, Matt Heard (talk) 01:19, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

The reference to the Beja...
The reference to the Beja was removed due to incorrect information.

"By the 1st century AD, the Kushite capital had been captured by the Beja Dynasty, who tried to revive the empire."

Whoever made this edit should either cite this from a reputable, respected scholar associated with Egyptology or Kushitology or leave it out.

The Beja did not rule in Kush at that date. A.Tamar Chabadi (talk) 16:31, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Uduk the lost 12 tribes of Israel
Bold text — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.255.97.208 (talk) 12:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)