Talk:Kingdom of Lunda

Kingdom instead of Empire
As I understand the definition of an empire, according to what I've seen on wiki anyhow, the Lunda state is a kingdom and not an empire. The people who controlled this state were the majority population. The people it brought into the state were usually tribes or clans from the same ethnic group. That being said, the Lunda seem to fit more a nation-model than an empire model. By contrast, the Mandinka, the British, the Romans and Songhai were virtual minorities within their respective empires. Size wise, the Lunda look like an empire. No doubt about that. But politics wise, they were a pretty homogenous kingdom (ethnic-wise) or at minimum a confederation of very similar tribes. That being said, I'm going to move the page from Lunda Empire to Kingdom of Lunda. I will maintain a redirect for the Lunda Empire tho, since that term does appear in literature quite a bit. CHEERS Scott Free (talk) 05:28, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Official webpage of the Kingdom of Lunda Tchokwe. This is not a reliable source. It is more of a political nature. The region shown on their maps was not all Lunda Chokwe. Other ethinic groups like the Mbunda group had their own regions from Lunguevungu river, northeast to Kuando Kuvango southeast, and near Bie to the west of Angola currently; see map: The Mbunda Kingdom Research and Advisory Council, but was to the extent of Mithimoyi river northeast and Namibia border to the southeast of Angola. This region was ruled by Mbunda Kings, from the seventh Mbunda Monarch Queen Kaamba ka Mbaao to the current 23rd Mbunda Monarch, King Mbandu III Lifuti, and were not under the mentioned treaties. The Mbunda even fought the Chokwe who settled in Mbundaland during the reign of the twentieth Mbunda Monarch, King Katavola II nicknamed, "Musangu", an occasion in history which the Chokwe cannot refute because the war brought about the Mbunda/Chokwe cousinship which exists today. Later, The Mbunda had to fight the Portuguese colonialists to protect their land from occupation from 1914, during the reign and abduction of the twenty first Mbunda Monarch, King Mbandu I Lyothzi Kapova, which they lost, ref: ^ René Pélissier, Les Guerres Grises: Résistance et revoltes en Angola (1845-1941), Montamets(Orgeval: Éditions Pélisier, 1977, The Mbunda Kingdom Research and Advisory Council. Before that, the Mbunda were not under any subjugation, since their migration from Kola through the conference of Kwilu and Kasai rivers Almanac of African Peoples & Nations page 523, Social Science By Muḥammad Zuhdī Yakan, Transaction Publishers, Putgers - The State University, New Jersey, ISBN: 1-5600-433-9 in the 15th century.Libingi (talk) 22:45, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Continuance under colonial rule
As I understand it, the Lunda empire continued to exist under Belgian colonial rule with a degree of autonomy. If that's indeed the case, when did the kingdom "end"? I very much doubt 1887 as currently stated. —Brigade Piron (talk) 21:01, 14 October 2016 (UTC)

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