Talk:Kingdom of Norway (1814)

Hereditary vs. crown prince
The change doesn't alter the meaning of the article, but I'm curious why you made it. Interestingly enough, Christian Frederik's claim to the Danish throne was the result not of a hereditary right per se; as was the case with Bernadotte, he had been elected as the successor of the throne. --Leifern 10:22, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

The governments of England AND Great Britain?
were these distinct entities at the time? (in the "Gives up Norway" section) YggdrasilsRoot 14:54, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * No, in 1814 the country was the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland. -- Nidator 10:54, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Former country infobox?
Perhaps a former country infobox could be added to this article to tie it in with the articles on Denmark–Norway and the Union between Sweden and Norway. I feel that it is somewhat inaccurate that the those two point to eachother. Opinions? -- Nidator T / C 16:36, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

He also ordered currency with the Norwegian seal to be issued, and these "prince dollars" became the first paper money issued in Norway - This isn`t correct, the first banknotes in Norway were printed in 1695. http://www.arkivverket.no/arkivverket/Arkivverket/Bergen/Nettartikler/Dei-foerste-norske-pengesetlane — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.247.135.40 (talk) 13:10, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Naval ensign of 1814
The ensign and merchant flags introduced on 27 February 1814 was the Danish flag (formerly also Norwegian) with the Norwegian lion inserted in the canton. The lion faced the fly, not the hoist, as one would expect. The reason for this rather non-heraldic choice was probably the idea that when ships were sailing with the wind astern, the lion would face forward and bravely meet the enemy. Versions of the merchant flag with the lion facing the fly are also known, but the official designs only show the lion facing the hoist.

The best source available is the website of the Riksarkiv (state archives), which this year has interesting exhibitions dealing with the year 1814. You will find it here: https://www.arkivverket.no/arkivverket/Bruk-av-arkiv/Nettutstillinger/1814-offisielt-og-i-kulissene/Nytt-norsk-flagg

For English-speaking readers, I am happy to offer a translation of the Norwegian text:
 * [The regent] Christian Frederik decided to introduce a new Norwegian flag on 27 February 1814. :Both naval and merchant vessels were to use the new flag, which was red, quarterly divided by a white cross and with the Norwegian lion in yellow in one field. Captain Jens P. Stibolt, chief of the navy yard in Christiansand, was charged with the task of designing the new flag. He provided two drawings, but none of the original drawings are preserved. However, this copy exists, [picture on the website] dated 20 May 1814, certified by Christian Frederik's aide-de-camp Ludvig Frederik Brock.


 * The new Norwegian flag was based on the "Dannebrog", which had been the common flag of Denmark and Norway. It had a short service life as naval ensign, in 1815 it was replaced by a union ensign. In 1821 a new merchant flag was introduced, the one still in use.

The archivists do not know that an original drawing is in fact preserved, probably in the archives of the Storting. Unfortunately, it is not to be found on any website, as far as I know. I have a copy of it, with Christian Frederiks seal of approval attached. It corresponds to the drawing on the archival website, but is a lot shorter.

I will now reintroduce the correct design in this and other articles where the incorrect design has also appeared. My version is unfortunately only a png file, technically inferior to the svg file I shall delete, because I do not master the art of creating svg files. I humbly ask fellow Wikipedians to respect the change I am making. I expect that it will be generally agreed that correct contents are more important than superior technique.

As for the source cited as reason for the recent deletion of the correct image, I have looked it up but have been unable to find any confirmation of the alleged flag or ensign with the lion facing the hoist. Roede (talk) 10:53, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Flag in the Former country infobox
The infobox is not quit appropriate, as Norway in 1814 is not a former country but is still the same country, with the constitution that was adopted in 1814. The country entered into a personal union with Sweden in November 1814, but that union was never one state or country. It consisted of two independente kingdoms, two countries with very little in common except for the king. They had a common naval ensign from 1815 until 1844, and a common naval jack from 1844 until 1905. But that jack was never a national flag, and neither Norwegian nor Swedish. The present flag of Norway was introduced in 1821 to replace the provisional flag of 1814, the "Dannebrog" with the Norwegian coat of arms in the canton. Therefore, please do not insert the incorrect union jack into the info box. Roede (talk) 14:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Starvation in Norway
I think a few lines about the starvation in Norway is in place. Along with the bankruptcy of Denmark proper it was not only of significance to the Norwegian population that suffered, but also to the dissolution of Denmark-Norway and the subduing by Sweden. RhinoMind (talk) 16:15, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

No link or mention to Denmark-Norway
There are currently no link or even a mention of the Kingdom of Denmark-Norway. Crazy. RhinoMind (talk) 16:18, 16 October 2016 (UTC)

Swedish/Russian Attack on Norway in 1812?
The article claims, erroneously, that Sweden and Russia attacked Norway in 1812 but was repulsed.

There is no record of a Swedish invasion of Norway in 1812. Moreover, there were no hostilities between Denmark and Sweden in that period until late 1813. Carl Johan was still negotiating with various governments throughout 1812 and the conference at Abo only resulted in the agreement in principle of Russian troops assisting Sweden, rather than any Russian troops arriving in Sweden, to say nothing of a failed invasion.

This part should edited.

SJCreecy 06:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)