Talk:Kirar

Duplicate articles and must be merged
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kirar — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahensingha (talk • contribs) 19:08, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

There are two different articles "Kirar Thakur" and "Kirar" about one common group of indian people (caste). Its a caste group which according to various sources, known as kirar, kirar chobdar and also as Kirar thakur as the community claims to be Rajput, however the same is denied by the Brahmins and the Rajputs proper. They are listed as "Other Backward castes(Classes)in the Indian central government as well as the various Indian state government. Hence there is no need of having two articles on the same subject and that both the articles be merged to form a common topic. thanx. Mahensingha 19:12, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

The famous Lord Shiva temple located in Kiradu, a place 35 km away from Barmer city, was built in the 6th century during the rule of Parmar dynasty. Kiradu was the earlier headquarters of Barmer district. Earlier, Kiradu was known by the name of Kiradkot and was under the rule of Kirad clan of Rajputs which prove that Kirad are from Rajasthan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.247.230.152 (talk) 09:25, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Kirar
there are 2 articles on the same subject, hence be merged to form 1 Mahensingha 09:10, 25 May 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahensingha (talk • contribs)

Title Thakur
The Title-"Kirar Thakur" is not suitable for the article as with no article of other caste or community even of rajputs, the "Thakur" title is used. Also, if the same is to be used then there must be enough literary resources to prove that they (Kirars) are " Thakurs".--Mahensingha 17:22, 29 August 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mahensingha (talk • contribs)

The "Thakur" title applies to many castes of India and has got nothing to with a singular caste, hence the name of the Article should be "Kirar" instead of "Kirar Thakur". Regards. --Mahensingha 16:51, 23 October 2014 (UTC)

The caste is officially recognized as "Kirar/Kirad" and certainly not as "Kirar Thakur". Hence, needs the title to be changed. --Mahensingha 22:55, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Also see --Mahensingha 23:01, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Kirars are Rajputs, however like many others, they too claim to be Rajputs. Please do not give false information on the page. Even in Madhya Pradesh, they are known by different titles like Yadav, Chauhan etc. but are by all means different from proper Yadav or Chauhan Rajputs. I request editors to please give reference of any reliable source before editing the page. Thanks.--Mahensingha 19:14, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

Please look into the following sources:-

[https://books.google.co.in/books?id=vm_KCE4XXPMC&pg=PA548&dq=kirar&hl=en&sa=X&ei=HteRVOCuLs6juQS85oLwAg&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=kirar&f=false 1. People of India: Rajasthan- Kumar Suresh Singh]

Its a backward Hindu caste vide

2. Encyclopaedia of Backward Castes, Volume 2 By M. L. Mathur

3.Educational and Social Uplift of Backward Classes: At what Cost and ..., Part 1 By S. P. Agrawal, J. C. Aggarwal

in Maharashtra

[https://books.google.co.in/books?id=BsBEgVa804IC&pg=PA1028&dq=kirar+caste&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ldmRVMqnCcaNuASq2YDwCw&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=kirar%20caste&f=false 4. People of India: Maharashtra, Part 2]

OBC Politicians

[https://books.google.co.in/books?id=lgs1tFTh-JMC&pg=PA74&dq=kirar+caste&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ldmRVMqnCcaNuASq2YDwCw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=kirar%20caste&f=false 5. The State of India's Democracy edited by Sumit Ganguly, Larry Diamond, Marc F. Plattner]

The Meaning

[https://books.google.co.in/books?id=6h2Gm1gPZZQC&pg=PT450&dq=kirar+caste&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ldmRVMqnCcaNuASq2YDwCw&ved=0CEAQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=kirar%20caste&f=false 6. The Tribes and Castes of the Central Provinces of India (Volumes I and II) By R. V. Russell]--Mahensingha 19:51, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

You are an idiot and jealous of kirars Subhashdhakad786 (talk) 20:51, 8 January 2016 (UTC) I agree with Mr. Subhash. Some persons of other community are jealous to Royal Kirar/Kirad. There are several article on internet which prove Royal Kirar/Kirad background as a Kshatriya. I have few examples like Kiradu temple of Kiradkot (rajsthan), If some need more information about Kirar/Kirad i will share to them. It does not mean at present somebody comes in ST/SC/OBC or unreserved. Historically or traditionally there are only four clan and Kirar/Kirad by born are Kshatriya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.226.173.2 (talk) 12:19, 4 May 2016 (UTC)
 * sicks of individual caste insanity.

Fake rajputs kirars original they are peasants and today too they comes under OBC YOGENDRA036 (talk) 16:07, 25 December 2018 (UTC)

The famous Lord Shiva temple is located in Kiradu, a place 35 km away from Barmer city. The temple was built in the 6th century during the rule of Parmar dynasty. Kiradu was the earlier headquarters of Barmer district. Earlier, Kiradu was known by the name of Kiradkot and was under the rule of Kirad clan of Rajputs.

In the early 13th century, Rao Sihaji, founder of the Rathore clan, conquered this place from the Guhil Rajputs. There is an inscription dated 1295 AD which proves the existence of the Rajput clan in the area in the 13th century. Barmer was under the rule of Maharajakula Sri Samantha Sinha Deva at that time.

In the 14th century, Rajput ruler Jaitmal Rathore built the famous Fort Siwana. The fort is also known as ‘Garh Siwana’. In 1308 AD, Allaudin Khilji attacked the place and the fort came under the Khilji rule. The fort of Siwana was restored by Lutinga Chouhan in the years between 1318 AD and 1320 AD when he was able to defeat the Muslim ruler.

In the 18th Century, British rulers adopted the name Barmer for the region. The name Barmer was derived from the ruler Bahad Rao Parmar who ruled the place in the 13th century — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.247.230.152 (talk) 09:37, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Kirar/Kirad are kshatriya's, Can see some people jealous of Kirar/Kirad clan they should read some research done by Britishers on Kirar/Kirad plus go through this article below just one suggestion your jealousy cannot change the history get well soon. https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/jaipur/rajasthans-castes-were-first-classified-by-british/articleshow/24272494.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viraj999 (talk • contribs) 09:00, 13 May 2021 (UTC)

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In Rajshthan District Barmer Kiradu temple ruled by Kirad clan of Rajput at least 200 year. Kirar are Rajput soldier .Who was a Rajput soldier, it is said that the Kiradu temple which is in Rajasthan was ruled by the Kirad Rajput (Kirar) for 200 years. There are many proofs which can prove kirar belongs to Rajputana community and kshtriya vansh. The kirar are brave soldiers in ancient times and they claimed as Thakur caste and in rajputana community — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishekdhakad3073 (talk • contribs) 09:29, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Kirar thakur
The Kirad Rajput are a Hindu caste. The famous Lord Shiva temple is located in Kiradu, a place 35 km away from Barmer city. The temple was built in the 6th century during the rule of Parmar dynasty. Kiradu was the earlier headquarters of Barmer district. Earlier, Kiradu was known by the name of Kiradkot and was under the rule of Kirad clan of Rajputs.

Kiradu temple
KIRADU TEMPLE Located at a distance of 35 km from Barmer, there is a series of temples which are well-known by the name of Kiradu temples. Someshwara temple is the best among them with architecture inspired by the Solanki dynasty.

The place was previously known as Kiradkot and was under the rule of Kirad clan of Rajputs. The Kirad Rajputs ruled the place from the 6th century to the 8th century. 223.190.82.59 (talk) 19:18, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Kirad thakur
In Rajshthan District Barmer Kiradu temple ruled by Kirad clan of Rajput at least 200 year. Kirar are Rajput soldier .Who was a Rajput soldier, it is said that the Kiradu temple which is in Rajasthan was ruled by the Kirad Rajput (Kirar) for 200 years. There are many proofs which can prove kirar belongs to Rajputana community and kshtriya vansh. The kirar are brave soldiers in ancient times and they claimed as Thakur caste and in rajputana community 223.190.82.59 (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Kirar क्षत्रीय edit request on 9 November 2022
Thrksingh (talk) 14:16, 9 November 2022 (UTC) Kirar is a kshatriya community. There is a lot of evidences which shows that kirar belongs to rajpoots. This wikipedia article  states that Kirar belongs to backward  class, Kirar is not kshatriya. But this is wrong, How can you write about a society without knowing about it. If it is written  about a society  then it is necessary  to collect complete information about it. By coming in OBC, what kirar did not remain kstriya? Being financially weak, kirar were put in OBC. But this does not means that kirar is not kshatriya. And in this article of wikipedia, it has been said that upper caste do not accept the food cooked by kirar hand. How did you write this? Come some time in the area of chambal and gwalior then see and know about kirar kshatriya. There kirar is called by the peoples as thakur sahab. There are many kirars in the positions of zamindar and lambardar. There people from other backward classes does not dare to sit equale to kirar kshatriya.

In the book of sir JAMES THOD also the kirar have been described as kshatriya and in it the names of kirars kshatriya in 36 fratornities are also mentioned. And many more book in which this is mentioned that kirar belongs to kshatriya community. In rajasthan kiradu temple is made by kirar rulers And the fort of Bhitarwar ,gwalior made by kiar thakurs there are many proofs.

That's why I request ,please do not give wrong information and I request  you not to write like this without knowing  about any society. It has an adverse effect on the people of the society, you don't  know what the people of other society say. That's why I request  you to pay attention  to my points and understand  it and make changes in the article of yours. I have more such evidence which proves that Kirar is kshatriya. Thankyou

Kirar क्षत्रीय Thrksingh (talk) 14:44, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
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 * जो मांगे भीख उसका खून मिलाबती 49.43.154.113 (talk) 04:48, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Kirar क्षत्रीय
Kirar is a kshatriya community. There is a lot of evidences which shows that kirar belongs to rajpoots. This wikipedia article  states that Kirar belongs to backward  class, Kirar is not kshatriya. But this is wrong, How can you write about a society without knowing about it. If it is written  about a society  then it is necessary  to collect complete information about it. By coming in OBC, what kirar did not remain kstriya? Being financially weak, kirar were put in OBC. But this does not means that kirar is not kshatriya. And in this article of wikipedia, it has been said that upper caste do not accept the food cooked by kirar hand. How did you write this? Come some time in the area of chambal and gwalior then see and know about kirar kshatriya. There kirar is called by the peoples as thakur sahab. There are many kirars in the positions of zamindar and lambardar. There people from other backward classes does not dare to sit equale to kirar kshatriya.

In the book of sir JAMES THOD also the kirar have been described as kshatriya and in it the names of kirars kshatriya in 36 fratornities are also mentioned. And many more book in which this is mentioned that kirar belongs to kshatriya community. In rajasthan kiradu temple is made by kirar rulers And the fort of Bhitarwar ,gwalior made by kiar thakurs there are many proofs.

That's why I request ,please do not give wrong information and I request  you not to write like this without knowing  about any society. It has an adverse effect on the people of the society, you don't  know what the people of other society say. That's why I request  you to pay attention  to my points and understand  it and make changes in the article of yours. I have more such evidence which proves that Kirar is kshatriya. Thankyou Thrksingh (talk) 13:03, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2023
Please delete this article because false information is provided about our community and hurt our sentiments.In this we are compared with adivasis even we are rajputs. Arvind6261 (talk) 11:19, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
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 * Let me know if you are running consensus. False information should be eradicated with immediate effect Lila24x7 (talk) 13:07, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2023
In local caste hierarchy they come next to Brahmin and Rajputs. They accept food from the upper castes and the upper castes do accept food cooked by the Kirar, as they are warrior clan Kshatriyas. Lila24x7 (talk) 13:01, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 May 2023
The sentence that upper caste doesn’t accept food from Kirar community is wrong. It must me removed as it’s a derogatory statement and not truth. 103.59.198.83 (talk) 15:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2023
please change "The Kirar is a Hindu agricultural caste whose traditional occupation is cultivation." to "The Kirar is a Hindu kshatriya caste"

please change "The Kirars are classified as Other Backward Classes (OBCs) category" to "The Kirars are classified as general category in Madhya Pradesh" Joan.evans999 (talk) 13:55, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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 * http://www.indpaedia.com/ind/index.php/Kirar:_Kirad Joan.evans999 (talk) 18:06, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 June 2023 (2)
Please remove this “ They accept food from the upper castes however the upper castes do not accept food from Kirar. The Kirar are educationally backward.” Joan.evans999 (talk) 17:48, 5 June 2023 (UTC)
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2023
Please change “Kirar is a Hindu agricultural caste whose traditional occupation is cultivation” to “Kirar is a Hindu Kshatriya caste numbered 48,000 persons in 1911. The Kirars claim to be Dhakar or bastard Rajputs, and in 1891 more than half of them returned themselves under this designation. About a thousand persons who were returned as Dhakar Rajputs from Hoshangabad in 1901 are probably Kirars. The caste say that they immigrated from Gwalior, and this statement seems to be correct, as about 66,000 of them are found in that State. They claim to have left Gwalior as early as Samvat 1525 or A.D. 1468, when Alru and Dalru, the leaders of the migration into the Central Provinces, abandoned their native village, Doderi Kheda in Gwalior, and settled in Chandon, a village in the Sohagpur tahsil of Hoshangabad. But according to the story related to Mr. (Sir Charles) Elliott, the migration took place in A.D. 1650 or at the beginning of Aurangzeb's reign.

1 He quotes the names of the leaders as Alrawat and Dalrawat, and says that the migration took place from the Dholpur country, but this is probably a mistake, as none of the caste are now found in Dholpur. Elliott stated that he could find no traces of any cultivating caste having settled in Hoshangabad as far back as Akbar's time, though Sir W. Sleeman was of opinion that the first great migra- tion into the Nerbudda valley took place in that reign. The truth is probably that the valley began to be regularly colonised by Hindus during the years that Aurangzeb spent at Burhanpur and in the Deccan, and the immigration of the Kirars may most reasonably be attributed to this period.

The Kirars, Gujars, and Raghuvansis apparently entered the Central Provinces together, and the fact that they still smoke from the same huqqa and take water from each other's drinking vessels may be a reminiscence of this bond of fellowship. All these castes claim, and probably with truth, to be degraded Rajputs. The Kirars' version is that they took to widow -marriage and were consequently degraded. According to another story they were driven from their native place by a Muhammadan invasion.”

Source: http://www.indpaedia.com/ind/index.php/Kirar:_Kirad Joan.evans999 (talk) 06:04, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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 * I have mentioned a link of reliable source only Joan.evans999 (talk) 05:07, 7 June 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 October 2023
The upper castes mentioned that are higher to Kirar community includes the word 'Jain', which is not the case actually, Jains are not Hindus so they can not be included in the heirarchy of Hindu caste system, moreover many Jains are converted from lower castes to Jain religion, for various reasons. Adawar1 (talk) 07:27, 7 October 2023 (UTC)
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To update Shivraj Singh Chouhan as former CM
Shivraj singh Chouhan is no longer the incumbent Chief minister of Madhya Pradesh please replace the sentence to "longest serving former chief minister of Madhya Pradesh"

List of Chief Ministers of Madhya Pradesh for referance. Karan.jr.Singh (talk) 20:31, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 5 February 2024
Write full information about kirar caste, this is just not enough , write, kirar is the most quarrel caste in india said by col James tod and many things more , do research and edit it. 23Indian (talk) 11:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC) Furthermore, you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 12:14, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
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