Talk:Kirby (character)/Archive 1

Move discussion
This page should probably be moved to Kirby. It was moved here, from there, without any discussion at all, to put the disambiguation at Kirby. This page should be there because it's the most notable kirby, and the only one I know of that is commonly called simply "Kirby". I was asked to move it back, but I really do not want to move it without discussion -- obviously someone thinks it should be moved. So, since there was no consensus in the first place, the page should be moved unless we get a consensus against it. --Phroziac(talk) 01:53, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, that simply isn't so. The move that I carried out was requested at WP:RM on 3 November. Because of the backlog, it was carried out until today. It was carried by unanimous decision talk:Kirby. One objection was made by A Link to the Past after closing. This user also moved the Kirby back to Kirby (disambiguation), without any discussion. If you really want to reopen the discussion on this one once again, you should post a message at talk:Kirby and properly submit your request at WP:RM. --Gareth Hughes 02:16, 19 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree with Phroziac, this article should simply be Kirby, and when you type in Kirby it should direct here. I mean, how many people are gonna type in "Kirby" looking for John Kirby over the number of people looking for the Nintendo character? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nintendorkus (talk • contribs) 02:44, 21 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Especially considering that since it was released in early November in Japan, Kirby: Squeak Squad has sold more than 800,000 copies (compared to 900,000 and 700,000 for Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land and Kirby & the Amazing Mirror respectively). In the comparison with those two games, those two games sold that many copies in their lives, while Squeak Squad has bested one and is close to besting the other in less than three months and will probably break 1 million copies in Japan alone. In respect to the United States, Kirby: Squeak Squad sold 215,000+ copies, compared to LTD figures for Amazing Mirror and NiD of 640,422 and 974,124 respectively.
 * This isn't my strongest point, I'm just showing that the series is still a major power house in the video game industry, and is the most notable figure that uses the Kirby name by itself. Kirby has a very popular video game series which has sold close to 30 million copies and an ongoing anime, versus the Kirby Company - which isn't even very known anymore outside of having annoying salesmen. However, Kirby is a well-known franchise still and is considered a quality franchise (according to GameRankings, which gave Kirby: Canvas Curse nearly an 88%/100%). - A Link to the Past (talk) 11:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Link's Awakening
Kirby was in Link's Awakening? I've played LA many times, and I don't remember that... Yoshi is in LA, but Kirby? 207.59.86.5 17:21, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Yup. Remember the enemies in the seventh dungeon? The ones that were round, had oval black eyes, and could inhale you? Those guys. -- A Link to the Past June 30, 2005 07:37 (UTC)

Quality Issues
This article needs to be altered to be about Kirby, nothing else. Move information on King Dedede to his own respective page, and move the game info to their respective pages or to a Kirby series page. -- A Link to the Past 09:39, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Adam Marx Squared 02:12, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Now then, I've taken the liberty of moving stuff not related to the Kirby character. It's a much smaller article, but I hope this encourages people to expand on the descriptions of Kirby. -- A Link to the Past June 30, 2005 07:37 (UTC)

The Name "Kirby"
A lot of people don't know if the Name came from a Nintendo Executive or the Brand of Vacuum Cleaner.--Arima 01:41, 27 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Official story is that some weird lawsuit between Nintendo and (I think) Atari happened, and the lawyer who fixed it was named John Kirby. They named him Kirby in thanks. Adam Marx Squared 01:22, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Wow. Really?--Arima 02:33, 28 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Really. Of course, it's all pretty sketchy - it's hard to say for sure, but of the three this one is actually the most logical. At any rate this is the the story supported by KRR, giving it some credit.

It was MCA/Universal. They sued Nintendo for copyright infringment (claiming Donkey Kong was a copy of King Kong). They had contended in a past lawsuit that King Kong was public domain, and were... "smacked down". Sid Sheinberg is said to have said "I view litigation as a profit center". For more, check out 'Game Over' by David Sheff --pellucidity

So given that he is always called "Hoshi no Kirby" in Japanese game titles, does that make Kirby's surname "Hoshino"? --Damian Yerrick (☎) 21:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No Hoshi no Kirby roughly means "Kirby of the stars" or something to that effect. - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 01:22, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Mutsuo of the stars. Michiru of the stars. Whence the difference? A lot of English family names have a meaning as well. --Damian Yerrick (☎) 16:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Kirby does not have a family name. - Saturn  Yoshi  THE VOICES 22:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Copy Abilities
The article looks kinda awkward right now with two differently sized images for the first two powers and no more. Should those be removed until more are found and uploaded? I think what we could do as an alternative is upload sprites from say, Kirby and the Amazing mirror, Kirby: Nightmare in Dreamland, or Kirby's Super Star, and associate each power with a sprite. Er, actually, can sprites be used here? --gakon5 17:20, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm going to be deleting the list soon enough. -- A Link to the Past 17:33, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * Deleting the entire list of copy powers? I hope you plan to discuss that first.--Daveswagon 23:23, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Lists suck and make articles ugly. Discussion over. -- A Link to the Past 23:39, August 9, 2005 (UTC)
 * lolz LTTP. Maybe creating a List of Kirby Copy Abilities or List of Kirby's Copy Abilities ?  I could write that probably, but if I did I'd go for the latter (with Kirby's as opposed to Kirby, unless possessives are forbidden in titles or something).
 * Nah, it's not really worth it. -- A Link to the Past 00:17, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * We got us a real team player here.--Daveswagon 09:58, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Damn straight you do. -- A Link to the Past 13:22, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

I think otherwise, such an article could indeed be worth it. Adam Marx Squared 21:17, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, as we can probably just stick (in the Kirby article) in a small blurb about copy abilities, and use one of those Main Article: Kirby Copy Abilities things, however you make those. And it gives us a place to put 'em, as IMO they need a place on Wikipedia. --gakon5 (talk) 21:22, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * Fine, but under no circumstances will I have any of the combined powers, or one-time-only powers. -- A Link to the Past 21:37, August 10, 2005 (UTC)
 * We should mention that Kirby can copy abilities from enemies in most games, then give an example or two of such powers.--Daveswagon 22:57, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Combined, like in Kirby 64, right? I wrote that article, and I actually put a brief description of all 20-odd combination powers.  If that section is unessicerry, please, remove it. --gakon5 (talk) 23:20, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Agree with Daveswagon. Also, it m akes sense to list every ability in a single game, but it might just be too much of a morass to cover the entire series' abilities + overview + ... + ... + ... as it was here. But what's wrong with one-time only or combined powers appearing on this planned Kirby Copy Abilities page? It sounds encyclopaedic enough to me. Adam Marx Squared 04:14, 12 August 2005 (UTC)
 * We do not need a mile-long list. -- A Link to the Past 04:22, August 12, 2005 (UTC)
 * But, the entire article will be just a big list anyway. The way I see it, we just put every ability that's appeared (minus combined abilities) in alphabetical order.  We don't need to put "this game had these abilities" and then "that game had this ability."

Featured article
If anyone wants to see this article become featured, major improvements are needed. See Link or Wario for an example of a good character article. -- A Link to the Past 06:04, August 17, 2005 (UTC)
 * Looking over those articles, a good bulk of it appears to be about the games they appeared in. -- gakon5 (talk)


 * I agree. Why is it that this page practically begins with a section on Super Smash Bros.? I really thing that it's a poor way to begin. I understand the need for a seperate page for each Kirby game, but more should be said about the games he's appeared in, perhaps in a style similar to the aforementioned Wario page. I think that the Characteristics section, and possibly even Concept and creation, should be moved towards the beginning of the article. Also, the part on his appearance in Smash Bros. should be reduced. The first paragraph of that section doesn't even mention Kirby. --Shroom Mage 07:51, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree agree :D Should we put concept and creation and characteristics first then, if no one objects? Ivyna J. Spyder 15:55, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's much better. I think Characteristics should also go near the top of the page, minus the parts on Relationships, Shadow Kirby, and Species. Where these should go, I'm not sure. Actually, now that I look over the article, I think that everything about the anime should be moved to its own area near the bottom, considering the fact that Kirby is a video game character first and an anime character second. --Shroom Mage 00:08, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Which has more games

 * Whoa! OT, but there are way, way more Kirby games than Zelda ones. Adam Marx Squared 01:19, 21 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, sorry, figured I'd put that here.. I suppose then I was thinking more that Mario has way more games than Kirby, not Zelda. :/ -- gakon5 (talk)
 * Eh?
 * Kirby games: Kirby's Dream Land, Kirby's Dream Land 2, Kirby's Dream Land 3, Kirby Super Star, Kirby's Adventure, Kirby's Dream Course, Kirby Air Ride, Kirby's Tilt 'N' Tumble, Kirby's Avalanche, Kirby: Canvas Curse, Kirby and the Amazing Mirror, Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land, Kirby GCN, Kirby's Block Ball, Kirby's Pinball Land, Kirby's Super Star Stacker
 * Zelda games: The Legend of Zelda, Zelda G&W, Zelda II: The Adventure of Link, The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past, The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening, BS Zelda, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time, The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask, The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages, The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons, The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords, The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time Master Quest, The Legend of Zelda: Collector's Edition, The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker, The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures, The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap, The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords DS, The Legend of Zelda DS, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, The Legend of Zelda Revolution.
 * Kirby has sixteen, Zelda has 20. And even with the early-in-development games, that's seventeen games. And if you wanna get pedantic and disclude unreleased games, that's one less for Kirby and four less for Zelda, putting Zelda ahead. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:09, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Huh? I count twelve Zelda games, but since I'm no Kirby expert I can't make an accurate comparison. But seeing as how it's completely irrelevant, it's really not a point I'm going to push. Adam Marx Squared 23:59, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
 * How do you only count twelve games? There are far more than twelve games on that list. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:19, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't count games that haven't been released yet. Adam Marx Squared 03:03, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Fine - unreleased games are Twilight Princess, Revolution, FSDS, Zelda DS and Kirby GCN. That's sixteen games. Fourteen to sixteen. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:07, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * ... maybe I'm being unclear... In my way of thinking, we've got (if you'll pardon my use of abbreviations) TLoZ, ZII: TAoL, ALttP, LA, OoT, MM, OoS, OoA, FS, TWW, FSA, and TMC. That's how I figure on twelve. It counts original, full games only, discounting re-releases, unreleased games and game that are not really games (like G&W.)
 * If you disclude remakes and ports, then BS Zelda and the two GCN ports are gone, along with Kirby: NiD and Kirby's Dream Course (as it is a remake of a non-Kirby golf game). Zelda G&W is just as legitimate as Kirby Super Star. But then I forgot to add the second BS Zelda, using the same gameplay as LttP, but with a different storyline. So it's fourteen to thirteen. - A Link to the Past (talk) 21:56, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought I'd already made clear that I don't count those...? Adam Marx Squared 19:09, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * You made it clear; how about I make it clear that it doesn't matter? You don't count a legitimate game like Zelda G&W, or the LttP sequel for literally NO reason. There's as much logic in you not counting those as me not counting any Kirby game at all. - A Link to the Past (talk) 19:44, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * G&W and BS Zelda = remake, non-canon, unimportant. But as I tried to say early in our lovely little romp through the Zelda series, it's all right if you disagree. ^_- Adam Marx Squared 00:04, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * It isn't a MATTER of agree or disagree. So, if they're not a member of the plot, they are not a Zelda game? They both have miniature plots. Kirby Air Ride, Kirby's Avalanche and Kirby's Super Start Stacker are all further from canon than the LttP sequel (which is an original game) and G&W, as none of them actually HAVE a plot. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:18, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * -_-; I've already reiterated my position three times. I can't possibly do so again. Adam Marx Squared 00:31, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

Kirby series infobox
I figured I'd lift up this suggestion: A Kirby series template? They have 'em for Mario and Zelda, I don't see why not for Kirby. Plus, Kirby doesn't have nearly as many games as Mario or Zelda, so it wouldn't be too large. -- gakon5 (talk)


 * Eh, so are anyone going to make a Kirby template or not? :P I don't feel I have enough experience with wiki to make one though. --Mythril 08:00, 24 September 2005 (UTC)


 * I made one on one of my user subpages; it follows the basic design of most templates, with the toccolours and whatnot. At first I though you could categorize them by platform, but on that page its sorted by non-Dream Land games, platformers, and non-platformers.  May not be the best way to organise them though.  Any suggestions? -- gakon5 (talk)
 * Hmm, dunno, how are the templates for other games organized? I guess the list could be either by genre, or platform, or by release order... hum. Maybe by platform would be best. Also you should add Canvas Curse! --Mythril 21:30, 26 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Template:Mario series sorts them by platformers, RPGs, remakes, and... Yoshi games (which probably merit their own template by now). Each Mario game can be clearly defined as one of these (although I see an absence of Mario Kart games; were they moved somewhere else?).  Template:Zelda series is a bit different; all of the games pretty much span the same genre, and most of the games aren't sequels to one another; thus, the games in the Four Swords timeline, which is three games, have been grouped together; there's also a section for CD-i games.  Template:Wario series; each game can be sorted as either a Wario Land game, or a WarioWare game.
 * So.... with Kirby, we have platformers, and non-platformers. In the interest of consistency, the games could be sorted that way, although there are a number of ways to do so. -- gakon5 (talk)
 * Sounds good to me. Are you going to put your template at Template:Kirby series then? Are we supposed to vote for it or something? --Mythril 16:44, 27 September 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm going to make one at that location; if anyone objects to it (although I see no reason why to), they can list it on TfD. For now I'm going to organise the games by Main Games (platformers), Dream Land (KDB1, 2, and 3), and Other games (non-platformers). -- gakon5 (talk)
 * Alright, template created, and I took the liberty of tacking it on to every Kirby game article. -- gakon5 (talk)
 * Hmm, I'm just not sure about putting the Dream Land games in their own category, since they surely also are part of the main series. Other than that, nice work. :) --Mythril 10:59, 28 September 2005 (UTC)
 * (starting new indent) I was thinking about that, although there isn't much relation between any games, besides KDB 2 and 3, thus I gave them a category. But, change them around (the sorting method) for all I care, doesn't make much difference anyways. -- gakon5 (talk)

Move
Oh, someone got pised off because I moved kirby without discussion. So here's the discussion: I moved Kirby. Take care. -R. fiend 18:03, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
 * The pages have now been moved. I've fixed all the double redirects that were created, but I haven't changed any article links. --Gareth Hughes 20:30, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * It would do a service to Wikipedia if you didn't respond to objections to your move with "Yeah, whatever." If you don't want to be a part of a community, then you should not be editing on this community.
 * Regardless, how about the fact that the one other material that uses ONLY the Kirby name has a lower alexa rank than the official Kirby website? - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:18, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know who you are addressing that remark to, but I have already replied in two places why the page was moved. Your comments are best reserved for a discussion linked from WP:RM. --Gareth Hughes 02:33, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I was referring to R. fiend, who shrugged off complaints as if they were of no importance. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:46, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Kirby ASCII
<(^_^)> Do we actually need so many examples? I tend to think that one or two will do, I'd say we don't need a whole list of Kirby ASCII-instances. Soothing R  07:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Warp Star in all games?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe the Warp Star makes an appearance in Kirby: Canvas Curse. --Thrashmeister 19:16, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

It wasn't in Canvas Curse. --Alice2 16:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that it showed up as one of Paint Roller's designs...

Powers
Is that poorly compiled and probably plagarized list of every power Kirby can use really neceesary?

-Off topic- Please put your signature. -On topic- Yes, Because gamers who haven't played a single Kirby game before would like to see what Kirby can do. --General456 20:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * They do not need to see every power. - A Link to the Past (talk) 22:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I moved it to a sub-page, a while ago. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 22:47, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Gender
It's been my understanding that since the first game, Kirby was male. So why did someone go and change a handful of male pronouns to gender-neutral ones? The S 02:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Because that's never been proven. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 06:51, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 120: Kirby [Kirby's Dream Land] [08/92]
 * "A denizen of the far-off, peaceful planet Pop Star, Kirby became a citizen of Dream Land after defeating King Dedede. Even though he's only about eight inches tall, Kirby is an extremely skilled technician. He has the ability to absorb the powers of his enemies, and his elastic body makes him a versatile adventurer."
 * Copy/pasted from the Trophy Description FAQ at GameFAQs (thanks Kanalet). I'll be reverting now. - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:48, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * In addition, by simply downloading the manual for Kirby Super Star, I find him referred to as a he. Please do your research before you make drastic changes. - A Link to the Past (talk) 15:55, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It was far from drastic. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 16:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * A change in gender is not drastic? You were assuming that there was no proof of it, even when it's been said by Nintendo several times, instead of researching whether or not there was actually not proof of it. - A Link to the Past (talk) 16:30, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It was about four pronouns I changed. And since you're on a referencing streak, Wario is still sitting for you to complain about. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 16:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice trolling attempt. Dodging the fact that you changed the article because you were too lazy to bother asking yourself to actually find OUT whether or not what you are stating as fact is actually fact with the fact that I posted facts that I researched in the games and manuals but didn't reference them. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You missed a "fact" at the end their. I honestly thought he was genderless, I've had this conversation before, okay? Now if you put this much passion into your articles, and less it gouging at me at every corner, everything would be peachy? H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 17:37, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Excuse me if I'm pointing out how pushy you are. You threaten an FARC if I don't source literally every fact in the Wario article that someone who doesn't know him wouldn't know was fact, and you went ahead and assumed that Kirby was an it based on the fact that you haven't seen him referred to as male (also never seen him referred to as ambiguous) without doing your research or even discussing it. And I question someone who feels the need to criticizing someone for preferring fact to fiction. - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason I referred to Kirby as "it", is because apparently someone said Kirby are a species, and since I write Pokémon article, we refer to them as "it", and I completely forgot about it, and I referred to "him" in the SSBM section as "it" because I thought it was referring to all Kirby, but it was referring to a particular Kirby. So sorry. H ig hway Rainbow Sneakers 17:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

GC's been out for uhh.. since 2002?
Yea. Just so you know, I took out the mention of 'future GameCube' game from the artivle, unless it's just coming out for GC.. I think that sounded a bit dated.

13:55, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's still unreleased for GameCube. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:25, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Seems like development's been slowed though, since HAL is still finishing up Squeak Squad and working on Brawl (which was delayed from it's Fall release). -- gakon5 01:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not all developers of Kirby GC are developing Kirby SS and SSBB.
 * Also, HAL is not developing Super Smash Bros. Brawl. TJ Spyke 02:59, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Color change
Is it certain that the white Kirby was just a mistake? I'm sure that Nintendo's official German magazine reported that the change was intentional, because they wanted to make him more appealing to western gamers (unfortunately, it was in just the issue I lost). This is supported by The Mushroom Kingdom, stating that Shigeru Miyamoto did not agree with it and made sure they stuck with pink for the later games. 82.207.201.11 17:47, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it was a mistake. Kirby's color was decided as pink before the game was even released in Japan- you can see he's pink on the original game's box art! http://www.nintendo.co.jp/n02/dmg/kyj/ So unless there was just a major miscommunication between Nintendo in Japan and the US, I think making him white was a deliberate move in the US. (He's also white in the US KDL commercial.) http://gameads.gamepressure.com/tv_game_commercial.asp?ID=638 (Well that's the French translation but it was the US commercial.) Ivyna J. Spyder 17:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Big changes
I did this to help the article comply with the Manual for writing on fiction. I think this article could be a GA and maybe an FA, so I did the following changes.


 * Cut TV image, since there is already an anime image in the top box.
 * Totally redid the sectioning to be like Jabba the Hutt, or what Link (Legend of Zelda) is currently becoming.
 * Cutting a lot of in-game information, since it should be about the character in brief detail, with all of his specific techniques and such left to the individual game articles, so don't worry it isn't lost!

Anyway, I hope to help make this a GA. Judgesurreal777 00:43, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, but I did a few minor alterations. I just don't think it makes sense to add a small note about him being in many games, and then drone on and on about him in Smash Bros for the rest of the section, so I added a link to the list of kirby games. On the subject of cutting down this article, I think most of the Super Smash Bros. series section should be drastically shortened. 199.126.137.209 09:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree that the SSB stuff needs to be shortened. We seriously don't need a huge description for it when it has its own page... Ivyna J. Spyder 07:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Hello, sorry to intrude...
I'm from over at the Kirby's Rainbow Resort site (the famous Kirby Guru! *strikes a pose* ...Oh you've never heard of me, but that's okay) but I've been going around trying to fix up a lot of the Kirby stuff and adding sections and all... Man the problem is there just aren't a lot of actual websites that I can use as sources, 'cept for KRR but we're still adding stuff too. I found an interview with Sakurai on Nintendo's Japanese site that talks about a lot of the stuff regarding Kirby's creation though, including the color thing and how he was called Popopo. And since I've never ever found a source that talks about the John Kirby stuff, English or Japanese, I think it's best to leave it as a mystery like the vaccuum stuff. Someday we'll find the truth, and a source to credit... I was trying to just make stuff flow better and focus on the most important aspects of Kirby- trying to think from the view of someone who has no idea what Kirby is and happen upon this page, you know? Ivyna J. Spyder 07:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I contacted John Kirby...
I assume we needed an actual source for the story? Well I emailed him, and he tells me that it is true that Kirby is named after him. Can the man himself be listed as a source? (You can contact him at http://www.lw.com/attorney/attorneysearch_profile.asp?attno=00170) Ivyna J. Spyder 23:29, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I assume that is could be... --Luigifan 03:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I need to find out how exactly to list him as a source, since I just asked him and it's not written on his site or anything... Ivyna J. Spyder 04:00, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I read in a magazine that his name was derived from John Kirby....would that be a good enough source? Need to find it first...  K yo cat  ¿Qué tal?♥meow! 23:44, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

I call BS even if he did say it. A company that wasn't tied to Nintendo in the early 80's has a designer that was 9 years old at the time name his character after a US attorney and then said creator is quoted as saying he does not remember how his name comes about? There are far too many holes in the story, imo, for it to be fact.

I proved two sides of the story and the fact Nintendo would have almost settled if it wasn't for Howard Lincoln. According to Game Over Kirby didn't do that. He did gather facts but Howard played a much larger role and thus the reason he was offered a job. Even most people in NOJ and more importantly HAL wouldn't have heard of John Kirby anyway aside from possibly Yamauchi and he *never* forced anything on anyone especially at that time which also why they went forward with the Virtual Boy. Gunpei did so many good things for them that they felt they had to go forth with it. Sorry but there are far too many actual facts that go against that theory. Though I am emailing him before reventing it back to presenting both sides.


 * Why don't you provide some actual sources to such info before ranting on about it. (Not to mention that what you just said made barely any sense to begin with.) DisasterKirby 22:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Game Over is a pretty well-known and reliable book. Now that it's brought up, I remember having read what he's describing. To be honest, naming it after an obscure man and the popular vacuum cleaner is coincidental as opposed to named after the vacuum cleaner and the lawyer is the coincidence-- well, one supports Occam's Razor and has a reliable source, and the other doesn't. --ArrEmmDee 02:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I suggest you get the book and read it, DisasterKirby. It doesn't make Kirby out to be a very key play in that trial. Sure he did do work on it, that is without out a doubt as he interviewed staff at Nintendo at the time. How Arakawa freaked to the threat of a lawsuit and Lincoln set the ground work for the whole basis of the trial by suggesting MCA did not own King Kong and refused to settle. I think Kirby was a more important figure in the anti-trust trial which was settled the same year as Kirby (1992) but after it was released.

I think it's childish to only promote one side of the story rather than giving all the facts. Especially when the creator of Kirby doesn't support that rumor. It may very well be true but there is a hell of a lot of eveidence going against it. I doubt it would stand up in court, even if John Kirby defended it himself. ;)


 * The fact of the matter is, there is SOME support for him being named after the lawyer, while the only support for him being named after the vacuum is coincidence. Let's go with the one that has some rather than none. We can still mention the vacuum, but that it's just coincidence. Ivyna J. Spyder 22:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there evidence aside from what John Kirby told you? Not even that he's lying to you, but he may be very well telling you what he believes to be the truth, probably unintentionally misled regarding the issue so far back. And now, in the uncertainty, he'd obviously be biased in favor of Kirby having been named after himself. I think there's more depth and it's overall more interesting to have had Kirby named after a lawyer instead of a vacuum, such that I'd like it to be true as well, but if there's opposition to the fact, I don't know if it can be stated as absolute fact on Wikipedia. --ArrEmmDee 01:48, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Some one has vandalisd the Kirby (nintendo) page and I dont know what to do about it Xx
<("<)<('')>(>")> Yeah its filled with stuff like 4YOURMOM insted of 4Kids and for his voice actor it says its MALE wich is wrong and says the name of it is YOUR MOM Help =(

Talaithe 18:09, 28 October 2006 (UTC) Talaithe

We should report him. Kyo cat 18:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * He's called 68.74.118.131 Kyo cat 18:12, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I quote Vandalism:
 * If you see vandalism (as defined below), revert it and leave a warning message on the user's talk page. Check the page history after reverting to make sure you have removed all the vandalism; there may be multiple vandal edits, sometimes from several different IPs. If it is obvious that all versions of the page are pure vandalism, nominate the page for deletion. Also, check the vandal's other contributions — you will often find more malicious edits.
 * This vandalism in particular seems to have been dealt with by Psycho Kirby. In the future, you can revert the vandalism yourself. Be bold! Nihiltres 19:48, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay....well, I tried to revert them, but Psycho Kirby did it already. I've deleted LOTS of vandalism before! But I'm not too bold...anyways, thanks for the advice. I completely forgot about being bold! Gah. ¡Adios!

What next?
What should be focused on next for improving this article? Anyone have any ideas? Ivyna J. Spyder 20:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay I see I am the only one that cares. :| But I had an idea for 'Kirby through the years' or something to show the slight design changes he's gone through? I'll work on that... Ivyna J. Spyder 14:09, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * A three day wait for a reply isn't that bad, Ms. Spyder. That being said, perhaps a Kirby retrospective would be best as an image as opposed to an article section, per Wikipedia's terms. But that's just my take on it. The S 20:37, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, felt like longer. And yeah, an image could work... Sprites or official art though? Or both? Hm... Ivyna J. Spyder 21:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking that someone should add a trivia tab on kirby, or a list of media with tributes to Kirby. I've been thinking about this every since I saw Perfect Kirby, a series of flash videos on newgrounds with over 500,000 views. Here's the Perfect Kirby. http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/134677 December 10th 2006


 * Um, no offense, but 'Perfect Kirby' is quite possibly the poorest misrepresentation of Kirby I have ever seen. Entertaining yes, but completely irrelevant when it comes to fixing up the article. Also, said series is a fan-made creation; something that isn't really worth notable in an article such as this. DisasterKirby 08:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

MK is Kirby's species
Ah I'll just make one myself :D But that last anonymous person made two mistakes, but it's okay, not many people know the truth- but that's why Wiki exists! To give knowledge! :D

One: MK doesn't really have hands. You can see in Kirby no Kirakira Kizzu that without his gloves, he only has flaps like Kirby. http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/multimedia/pictures/nokirra/nokirrapg23.png

Two: The wings are his cape. Officially it's been said that his cape just turns into wings, so they aren't natural for him. (Whether MK can float or not... Maybe he can, but the armor weighs him down? XD Who knows!)

In short, Kirby and MK look so similar in appearance that they might as well be considered the same species.

Does anyone have a good argument against this? :O Ivyna J. Spyder 14:46, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I would fully agree with you. But it's original research, so just say what's there. So instead of "Kirby and MK are the same species," the article should say something like "Metaknight bears an uncanny resemblance to Kirby, looking precisely the same, except that he's blue." Digital Watches  !  17:02, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well what about Kirby's 'doubles', or Kiiby? Should we say they bear an 'uncanny resemblance to Kirby except for color', or just skip right to the point and say they're the same species? I don't think they would make it such a big deal for MK to be unmasked revealing he looks just like Kirby unless they were intended on being the same race.
 * All we can go on here is the morphological species concept, ya know? And going by that, they've got to be the same. It seems like common sense, otherwise it wouldn't be presented as such a surprising thing in the games. Ivyna J. Spyder 20:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Shadow Kirby
I believe that Shadow Kirby, unless he attains more story in the future, should remain on this page (and not on his own as previously). Perhaps we should find an official art of Shadow Kirby and place it here as well. The S 16:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've never seen art, but how about a screenshot? Come to think of it we need some artwork of Kirby from the games too, in his older styles... I'll work on that. Ivyna J. Spyder 21:42, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Potential Organization
Okay let's see what we can do.

Concept and Creation - it just make sense to start with the background of the character.
 * Voice Talent - I guess this stays here.

But should the next thing be characteristics or appearances? It's just that the SSB description looks so long. As Shroom Mage suggested, we could divide up Characteristics perhaps?

Characteristics (To describe who he is and what he does)
 * Appearance
 * Personality
 * Abilities

Appearances
 * Main Games
 * SSB
 * Anime/Manga

Other Information? What to call it?
 * Relationships
 * Shadow Kirby
 * Species

Maybe have a seperate one describing his anime self instead of mixing it in with the rest? Not sure, as there really aren't that many differences... Then again I do want to stress that they are from different timelines with different origins, since so many people get them confused, calling games Kirby a Star Warrior and stuff. o_O Hm... Ivyna J. Spyder 03:57, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Me thinks you do a heck of a lot of work on this article, Ms. Spyder. You've heard my input already, though.... The S 03:59, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Kirby's Origins?!
I've been reading the Japanese Wikipedia on Kirby for new info, and there's something that talks about his origin from some magazine... The entry reads: "According to a book included with a Shogakukan magazine, he was born from a Star Flower, and immediately following his birth, he was smaller than an insect, and his inhale ability was weak. Incidentally, the setting of this book seems to be one the author was told by HAL Lab staff." ...CURSE YOU, JAPANESE WIKI, FOR HAVING NO SOURCES. :E It just says a magazine but not WHAT magazine! I must research this furthur... Furthur research shows a lot of people have heard about it, but I need to find what this book is... Born from a flower though. Yeah that's pretty bizarre. :| I wish we could find out if it was true. Ivyna J. Spyder 08:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)


 * It sounds plausable; very cutesy and strange, just as a Japanese Kirby article would state. Now we need to find out the following:

A) If this story does indeed exist B) If the story is canon to the games C) If the story has not been retconned in some way The S 16:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

I would trust Japanese Wiki... After all, they were right about Catherine/Birdo from the Mario games being male, which most gamers are still ignorant about (it wasn't a joke after all). They should still list a source, though, or if it's considered a separate storyline from the games... Apparently, though, it's considered that Kirby wasn't originally from Dream Land or even Popstar in the games, and that he only became a citizen after the events of the first game, but I'm not sure about that story since it was in Super Smash Bros. Melee. However, the English language selection in the Japanese version still includes this info, so it could be true and not a silly localization from NoA, which is becoming infamous lately... Ack, got off track. Sorry for rambling. Anyway, about that flower story... Yeah, it won't be easy to find much info since it's unsourced, that's for sure...

Kirby Talking
Doesn't Sakurai saying Kirby doesn't talk retcon all other cases where he does? Honestly it's only in older games and English instruction manuals where he does, in everything recent he really doesn't. I'm not convinced he talks in Star Stacker either- he could just be pointing at text on a board. Ivyna J. Spyder 03:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Did Sakurai actually state that? I'd say his word is better than NoA's, officially. The S 22:40, 23 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I talk about it in the development part of the anime section. One of Sakurai's stipulations was Kirby shouldn't talk. It seems natural to me to generalize the feeling to the games too, as anime Kirby is pretty much the same as he always was in the games in other ways... Ivyna J. Spyder 06:13, 24 December 2006 (UTC)


 * What about in Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land, Kirby & the Amazing Mirror, and Kirby: Squeak Squad? When you press start, it clearly describes the abilities from Kirby's point of view. I'd say he was talking about the anime in general, or also that Kirby shouldn't talk or have dialogue because he's the main character, and a talking main character could alienate the player (this practice is also usually seen for the Mario, Metroid, and Legend of Zelda series). 208.101.146.237 15:35, 26 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm sure Kirby CAN talk, but the descriptions could also just be thoughts. Point is though, Kirby talks very infrequently in-game. *shrug* Ivyna J. Spyder 04:21, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

My edit to 'Personality'
I apologize for removing the Kirby's Avalanche information(it appears someone has reverted it back). At the time, the article for this game stated that it was released in Japan, but this ended up being a mistake. --Mentaka 01:37, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

What manga?
Dude, don't make an edit and claim you have a source and then not link to the source. :\ Ivyna J. Spyder 17:06, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Detective?
Why is one of the Kirby categories "fictional detectives?" I've played just about every- no, actually, every Kirby game, but I don't recall him ever being a detective... was he one, like, in one episode of the anime or something? Nintendorkus 02:51, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, someone must have put that because of the German comic. It's not canon though so it should be removed. Ivyna J. Spyder 20:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * German comic? Huh?  Can I see it?  I'm surprised anyone knew about it unless it's recent. 75.75.99.221 22:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)


 * http://kirby.classicgaming.gamespy.com/multimedia/manga/kgf.html 208.101.130.232 14:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Rip-off claim source?
I've noticed that someone has created a category titled "Ripoffs of Gimmick!" that only contains two pages- "Kirby (Nintendo)" and "Kirby's Dream Land". Is there a direct source for this ripoff claim? Is there even a need for this category at all? Ex-Nintendo Employee 13:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Seems like something that should just get speed-deleted... Ivyna J. Spyder 20:40, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I've nominated if for deletion. The S 20:53, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Two changes that should be made:
1. This article should be called Kirby, as opposed to Kirby (Nintendo), sense it is the most well-known Kirby (come on, don't try to deny it, if anyone says just "Kirby" without a first name, what would you think they're talking about?). 2. For the same reason stated above, typing in a search for Kirby should direct someone to this article instead of a disambiguation page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Nintendorkus (talk • contribs) 00:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC).
 * I agree. - A Link to the Past (talk) 00:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Seeing as how the page clearly states that it is a disambiguation page at the bottom, I'd think that all of the current content on 'Kirby' could go into 'Kirby (disambiguation)', and that 'Kirby (Nintendo)' should take its place, as Nintendorkus stated. - DisasterKirby 02:05, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Kawaii
An edit was made claiming that "kawaii" was not a real Japanese word. I beg to differ; kawaii was one of the terms I learned in my second semester of Japanese class, and means "cute, adorable, or precious"; can be used as a noun or a verb. It is not "otaku slang". The S 17:24, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Kirby's Magic Paintbrush
To my knowledge there is no article or mention of Kirby's Magic Paintbrush - the Nintendo DS incarnation. Any explanations why that is? DanCrowter 08:46, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's because it is called Kirby Canvas Curse in the U.S. DisasterKirby 14:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Oh, cool. Thanks for clearing that up. Thats my fave Kirby game, so I'm glad it has an article. DanCrowter 15:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge from List of Kirby magical items
Please merge any relevant content from [ List of Kirby magical items] per Articles for deletion/List of Kirby magical items. (If there is nothing to merge, just leave it as a redirect.) Thanks. —Quarl (talk) 2007-02-17 22:05Z 

Canvas Curse depiction
It appears to me that the Kirby article doesn't even mention Kirby in Canvas Curse. If possible, can someone write about it and add this image? - A Link to the Past (talk) 09:21, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

The article already mentions that Kirby can be in the form of a ball in some of the games. I suppose Kirby's form in Canvas Curse is described here. --G4rce 23:46, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Problem is that it doesn't specifically mention CC - and the fact that he can be a ball is trivial, since only one time has his ball form been a notable form. The statement should read in its own paragraph that he WAS transformed into a ball for this game. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

You do realize that... (about the Personality section)
... If you pause in the Game Boy Advance games (Kirby: Nightmare in Dream Land and Kirby and the Amazing Mirror) and Kirby Squeak Squad (and maybe Kirby: Canvas Curse), you can read Kirby's direct thoughts about his current ability? His attitude is also not unlike Kirby's Avalanche; in fact, he's quite arrogant or overconfident in himself. So why does this keep getting overwritten? I think it's worth mentioning. 208.101.145.224 12:57, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Good Article nomination?
Now that the article has a fairly decent lead, I assume that the article can be nominated at least for Good Article status? The article has been fairly good for a while now; it just required a few touch-ups here and there, and the 3 paragraph lead. Disaster Kirby 06:58, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Good Article nomination on hold
Ok, a few points first there are images without Fair use rationables, second the first paragraph is completely unreferenced, a little suggestion would be to quote the instruction booklet for elements located there, after these issues have been taken care of please contact me and I will reevaluate the article again. - 凶 03:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Passing GA
Ok it looks good, 22 references for an article relatively short is ok, it seems to have a good lead, I'll pass it. The tone needs some work before nominating it for FA, but for now it seems to meet the criteria for GA.- 凶 22:59, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Maxim or Maximum?
I have seen countless Kirby pages, blogs, and manuals, and I have seen the tomatoes referred to as Maxim Tomatoes. However, in the game Super Smash Bros. Melee, it is referred to as a Maximum Tomato. Is one a typo, or is Maxim just short for Maximum?
 * While one can assume that Maxim is short for maximum, the item has always been called Maxim Tomatoes in the Kirby games. The spelling in Super Smash Bros. Melee is merely a random misspelling. Disaster Kirby 03:47, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Really? That seems odd that SSBM would mispell something like that. Oh well. And thanks. 67.182.178.220 04:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)Sincerely,me

Shadow Kirby?
Why is it that this article uses Shadow Kirby instead of Mirror-world which is his official name as that's what the ending calls him? 24.159.39.11 11:47, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Because Shadow Kirby is his official NA name. His HP bar is labeled 'Shadow Kirby' in-game when you cross paths with him. Disaster Kirby 21:52, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay, is the red part shoes or feet?
Which is officially closer to the mark? I say shoes because that's what he was clearly wearing in his first promotional image as "Popopo", but I can see how it can be mistaken as shoes since they change color like the rest of his skin and Animal Kirby is obviously transformed and isn't wearing shoes... Also, that one German comic said that Kirby and King Dedede didn't wear shoes, but there's no direct connection to the games / anime. However, Meta Knight, who is shaped very much like Kirby, clearly wears shoes since his appearance was updated to include metallic patches. Your thoughts? 208.101.130.232 14:47, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Kirby Image
the kirby image should be replaced with the one from Brawl. It is a hundred times nicer, and is the most recent kirby image. it also makes sense because Meta Knight's image is that of Brawls.--Scabloo 14:01, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Edit: I do apologize for putting it at the top. My bad. no need to be rude about it though.--Scabloo 20:49, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's also a secondary image rather than the primary one. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:04, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Kirby manga Hoshi no Kirby
The Kirby manga Hoshi no Kirby from CoroCoro Comic which is displayed in the article - is the 21st issue the last issue? The text doesn't clearly say whether the manga is still running or not. --Grandy02 18:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)