Talk:Kirby Puckett/Archive 1


 * archive, June 24 2007

NPOV dispute
I removed the NPOV dispute/POV check indication from this article because the user who put it there gave no indication of what was disputed in this talk page. (see Cryptic NPOV Disputes) I assume it was refering to either lines: 1("...widely regarded as one of the best, and most popular..."), 10 ("...considered by many to be the best ever..."), 11("...The Twins ... began to slip, but Puckett never did...), 14("Puckett had been well admired throughout his career and for some years after...However...") or all of these, but they don't seem too bad to me. If anyone wants to question the POV, do so, just briefly mention what's wrong here in the Talk Page. -PJV

It seems to me that a citation is indicated regarding his alleged "public urination." T.E. Goodwin 02:12, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Seems fine to me. Puckett was a very popular ballplayer who never had a poor season on the field, either. I can't see how anyone who remembers his career can dispute any of the statements about him in the article. user:Jsc1973

The only one I would take issue with is line 11; 1 is widely regarded to be true, as is 14. I would think the 91 series is one of the best ever... 11 can be reworded, but it's not really not NPOV, if you think about it. -- Jjjsixsix (t)/(c) @ 06:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Eye Problems Caused by Getting Hit by a Pitch?
aren't there reports that puckett's glaucoma was in part caused by getting beaned? Streamless 13:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The beaning ending his season, as he was hit on the left side of his face and suffered a broken jaw. The glaucoma condition arose in the right eye. Are they necessarily related? Wahkeenah 15:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Per the team's doctors, Puckett's glaucoma had nothing to do with the beaning. Iceberg3k 15:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)


 * i once read something to the effect that puckett once stated that he thought the beaning ended his career. i'm not asserting that i believe it, just that he once made this statement. Streamless 13:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Pop Culture
To me the top ten list is not very encyclopedic. It has been there since 2004. Thoughts? --Hansnesse 01:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This website is not very encyclopedic anyway, so why pick on Kirby's entry? Wahkeenah 01:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If nothing else, it's a copyvio, and should be removed. It's damn funny, though. android  79  03:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It was replayed on WCCO's coverage tonight. I think that calling it a copyright violation is a stretch. It's free advertising for the show. Where's the harm? Wahkeenah 04:56, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Radio or TV coverage? If the latter, it was probably used with permission, since Channel 4 is a CBS affiliate. android  79  14:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * TV. And I'm sure Letterman's group would go ballastic about its presence here, assuming they've ever heard of wikipedia. Wahkeenah 17:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Kirby Pucket Dies On March 6th, 2006
The sentence about his death should say "because of" not "due to." Could someone fix this please?

RIP Kirby. Just shows that anyone can be taken away on any day. icuwoot

RIP buddy. You will be missed.

RIP :( Sertman 01:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Kirby, to Jack Buck, on Sunday: "I'll see you tomorrow night." );b Wahkeenah 01:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I have to pay my respects too, to a great baseball player. Rest in Peace, Kirby Puckett.

I am very saddened to hear of the passing of Kirby Puckett. He was one of the all-time greats, and will be sorely missed. Rest in peace. FamousBobby 02:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * RIP Kirby. As a Mets fan, I'll always remember the arm in Centerfield. You're probably in a better place now, and you will be missed. Sean (talk || contribs|  esperanza )) 02:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * He's in what the late Steve Goodman called "The Heavenly Hall of Fame". Wahkeenah 02:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

RIP Kirby Puckett, you will be missed by many Twins and Major League Baseball fans. He was a great baseball star despite his recent incidents. Farewell...

(KP - 34) --VelairWight 04:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Good bye Kirb, you were great. I will end in a Puckett quote "Live today like its your last because tomorrow isn't guarenteed. -Amaas120 04:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Even though he beat my Braves in the 1991 World Series, and despite being a kid from New Jersey who never even saw a Twins game (except on TV), Kirby Puckett is absolutely one of my favorite baseball players of all-time. You will be missed, Kirby. Rest in peace. -- Kicking222

Thinking about FA soon
In honor of Puckett I'm thinking about trying to improve the article into feautured status once the article becomes a bit more stable, he was one of my all-time favortie players, and I think that wikipedia should honor his passing by trying to make this into a FA. I already contacted User:Phbasketball6 a infobox box expert to create one for this article, except fot the obvious lead and refenences. Any more suggestions? Thanks --Jaranda wat's sup 02:19, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Go for it. Wahkeenah 02:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm in on that. android  79  03:30, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If you're going to do it, you'll probably have to semi-protect it first. The yahoos are already messing with the page. Wahkeenah 03:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If no one objects, I'm going to cook up a Hall-of-Fame player infobox similar to Infobox MLB player (see in action at Torii Hunter). Been meaning to do this for a while; now's the perfect time to make it. Probably will have to wait until tomorrow. android  79  03:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll put it as a good article, and then peer review it. Lets not rush this. False Prophet 15:07, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

birth year 1960
See  Answering the question of Kirby's age: Kirby Puckett died Monday at age 45, not 44. The Star Tribune learned the truth of Puckett's actual age from Sean Harlin, the team's former media relations manager who now runs the club's video department.  The birthdate of March 14, 1961, that appeared in biographies distributed by the Twins during his playing days is a year off, but he never was concerned about correcting the original mistake.  A LexisNexis search confirmed the truth: Puck was born in March 1960, which made him 45 at the time of his death.  LA VELLE E. NEAL III  Tom Ruen 02:49, 7 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I've inserted a hidden note about this discussion next to the DOB, since there seemed to be a lot of back and fourth, with no mention here. --Hansnesse 03:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The local papers and the Twins' own website are saying he was 45, which means, unless someone has changed the rules of figuring out one's age, that he was born on March 14, 1960, not 1961. End of story. Wahkeenah 03:35, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The local newscasts were also saying "1960-2006", although I gather this is no longer an issue here. Wahkeenah 17:17, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, the Baseball-Reference website has apparently changed the year since yesterday, so there seems to be general agreement forming. MisfitToys 20:04, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I would hope it's settled, but if someone comes along and changes it back to 1961 again, put the link back in next to the DOB. Fan1967 22:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protected
I've semi-protected this article, for obvious reasons. android 79  03:47, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

adoptive parent
Puck is listed in that catorgory I never have heard that either of his two children were adoptive?

I recall in that infamous Sports Illustrated article, that he and his then wife couldn't conceive their own children.User:TMC1982

Please removed the qualifier "adoptive" when describing his children. They are his children. It's Ok to say he adopted Kirby Jr. and Katherine, but no need to say what kind of children thay are.
 * Uhh, why not? It's an interesting fact. android  79  04:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

This is an excerpt concerning Kirby Puckett's status as an adpotive parent: http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/news/local/4754100.htm

Kirby denied all the allegations to police, saying they argued after Tonya threatened to keep him from seeing their two adopted children again. Hennepin County Attorney Amy Klobuchar declined to file a felony complaint because the alleged threat came on a long-distance call from Atlantic City, making it hard to prove Tonya was in imminent danger. Edina city attorney Marsh Halberg declined to file a misdemeanor complaint because Tonya waited six days to file her report and because the two participants were the only witnesses, and their stories were so conflicting.User:TMC1982

For any other person would you say their "biological children" or "children by birth"? No. You just say children. They're Kirby's children. You can say Kirby and his wife Tonya adopted Kirby Jr and Catherine on (date). The problem is not saying that an adoption took place. I agree it's an interesting fact, and you can state the fact as I have just done. It's just that you have qualified the relationship with the word adopted or adoptive. If you want to tick off a person who was adopted or one who has adopted, just use the term adoptive children or adoptive parent. I'm sure your intent is not to insult so please modify your language.


 * I think you need to modify your language, actually. My father and aunt are adopted. There are numerous adoptions in my family. I have friends who are adopted, and know some other adopted people, and no one has ever taken issue with someone saying they are the "adopted children" or the "adoptive parents". So rather than saying "If you want to tick off a person who was adopted or one who has adopted", perhaps you should say "If you want to tick me off". Sometimes being politically correct goes too far, and I feel that is the case here. --CokeBear 22:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

OK, I'll modify my language. I will take ownership that I was ticked off. I do know that others were as well. It does not necessarily include you or your friends or your family. And it doesn't necessarily include all those involved in an adoption. Adoption is a great thing. My life would not be the same without it. I take issue that the relationship has to be qualified as one through adoption rather than one through birth. The relationship is the same either way. So when you introduce my family to your friends or family, please don't call it my adoptive family.

Why was it locked?
Before when I was here, when I heard he died, there was no lock, or w.e. so how was it vandalized. Im just curious. Amaas120 04:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * With racial epithets and other weirdness. For the sewage, see the history. Wahkeenah 04:57, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Was User:24.166.179.209 banned? -- Gerkinstock 02:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Why is the word "urinating" a link?
Is there a guideline somewhere for what words should be external links? I would assume most people are familiar with this word. Labia Ears 05:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to agree that making that word a link is not condusive at all to the article and should be removed. -- Jjjsixsix (t)/(c) @ 06:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I've removed the link. I think we all know what the word means. Fan1967 14:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Except for those who couldn't pour it from a boot with the instructions written on the heel. >:) Wahkeenah 17:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I am STILL waiting for a citation regarding his alleged "public urination." It is totally umbecoming for Wikipedians to post rumors and unsubstantiated allegations without a verifiable citation. Defaming the dead is disgusting.T.E. Goodwin 01:43, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The citation is right in the article: In the March 17, 2003 edition of Sports Illustrated. The allegations apparently come from an article in that issue of SI. android  79  01:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank You for providing the reference. It is tragic that Kirby Puckett died prematurely. Let's hope the vandalism here abates. T.E. Goodwin 10:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Respect
I find it absolutely sickening that in this most tragic hour, people would vandalise this page. Please have some respect for those who have passed away.--Geppy 05:26, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree more. And it -always- happens.  It makes me sick. --Kitch 16:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Same here, and it always makes me mad... Thegoob 17:43, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Geppy is right. Have a bit more dignity. You wouldn't want someone vandalising your tombstone. Amaas120 00:23, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I don't what people get out of that.Dp462090 01:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Sad Day
I grew up watching Kirby Puckett, I quit watching baseball when he got hit in the head by Dennis Martinez. It takes a lot for a grown man to to cry, but yesterday I balled like a baby. I was 11 years old when he hit the 1991 world series homer, but I still get chills when I see the tape. Good Bye Kirby. --Leopold Samsonite


 * I remember watching him play in the '91 Series as well, I was 13 at the time, but I still remember Game 6 like it was yesterday. You're right, it does take a lot for a grown man to cry, but I openly wept this morning when I found out. The world's just a little bit less brighter without ya Kirby. Rest in peace, Man. Thegoob 17:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Early life and community service
Call for sources! The article needs more substance on Puck's early life and his community service endeavors. I'm going to see what I can get from my local library. android 79  16:05, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, this article discusses some of his accolades for community service, though it suggests that much of the credit belonged to his wife. MisfitToys 00:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Autobiography & Other Books
I know that the article itself is locked for the moment, but I looking at some of the remembrances online and elsewhere, I was reminded that Kirby Puckett wrote an autobiography I Love This Game: My Life in Baseball published in hardcover in 1993 and paperback in 1994. It appears to be out of print now (and, obviously, it was written before much of Puckett's later troubles) but still, it seems worth noting. Plus, Puckett apparently wrote another book Kirby Puckett's Baseball Games in 1996. These works seem to be worth at least a minor mention in the ultimate article. (For reference, the Library of Congress entries for Puckett's books: ) --TommyRaiko 02:10, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think my local library has a copy of the first book you mention. I'll definitely reserve it... android  79  03:25, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Now that the article's unlocked, I've added to the Trivia Section a note on the books Puckett authored in his life. TommyRaiko 18:28, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Official MLB Obituary
I accessed it through the Yankees (I'm a fan of theirs, mainly), but the official obit from MLB's website is here.

Adoption?
Are Puckett's kids really through adoption or his ex-wife?
 * Adoption. See above. -- Jjjsixsix (t)/(c) @ 07:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)