Talk:Kirk Cameron/GA1

GA Review
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Hello, I will be reviewing this article. Check back soon for my comments! CarpetCrawler (talk) 21:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! I'll be willing to fix anything you think needs to be fixed before GA quality, so don't hesitate to mention problems. :)  TheAE  talk / sign  01:33, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

GA on hold
The article looks good! However, I have some concerns. They are:

- References #1, #2, #3, #4, #5 and #6. While all of those references are very good and reliable sources, a lead usually shouldn't contain so many footnotes. A lead should be an adequate summary of the article as a whole, and it certainly looks like one. However, might I suggest taking those references and moving them into other places in the article?
 * Okay, I've moved the sources to more correct places. That is, except for the last one, which is a quote by Cameron, and isn't used in any other part of the article. I may rotate it around a bit (like have other mentions about his faith in the lead), and move the quote to the body somewhere. We'll see.  TheAE  talk / sign  02:44, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, it's better now. :) You can leave that last cite in the lead, one citation is definitely OK. CarpetCrawler (talk) 05:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

- This won't hurt if the article passes or fails, but I am just wondering, is there any additional info available for Cameron's personal life? For example, where he went to school, or something like that. Just wondering. Because that would be a good thing to add to the "Birth and family" section. Maybe you could make a section called "Early life", and then a section called "Personal life" that discusses his marriage and children? But then again, that may flesh the article out too much, as if there's not much information available, it wlll make it look like a tiny section. In which case, if there's not much info available, just leave the section alone as it is, it looks fine. :)

- In general, this article would not pass at the Featured Articles criteria, as there isn't as much information presented in this article as the criteria calls for, but it looks good enough to do fine in the GA criteria. :) Just a few nitpicky complaints about the body:


 * 1) The "Early acting career" section is a little short. I realize that any good information about his time on Growing Pains rightfully belongs in the "Christianity and evangelism ministry" section, but has Cameron ever mentioned anything about his time at the show, other than the info that is present in the "Christianity and evangelism ministry" section? If so, it would be great additions.
 * Hmm... Maybe something could be found. I look through Google News Archive to see if anything could be added, especially if anything can be found with Growing Pains (which probably will bring up something at least).  TheAE  talk / sign  04:42, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Is any information available about his roles in commercials? This will certainly be harder to find, so if you find no luck, don't worry. As long as the reference says he was in them, then you shouldn't have a problem.
 * 2) Same as with Growing Pains, is any information available about his sitcom Kirk?
 * I'll check, but he wasn't really known for that. I'll look.  TheAE  talk / sign  04:42, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Then don't worry about it. :) Focus on his more notable television show. CarpetCrawler (talk) 05:50, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

- The "Recent acting work" section looks fine, great work!

- "It also formerly featured a radio show known as The Way of the Master Radio with talk show host Todd Friel. The radio show was canceled, and a new radio show, Wretched Radio, was created with Friel as the main host.[32]" My computer can't read PDF files as of right now, are both sentences covered by that citation/reference?
 * It actually sourced the first sentence, but not the second. I have moved it to the first. In my opinion, the second sentence doesn't need a source (see WP:When to cite), it's generally known.  TheAE  talk / sign  00:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know. Don't worry. I was just saying that I couldn't read a PDF file at the time so I couldn't see if the source was accurate. :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 08:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

- "Near the end of the debate, Cameron referred to Albert Einstein as a theist, provoking a stir from audience members." This definitely needs a citation.
 * Removed – I thought it was included in the ABC News source, but I see now it's not.  TheAE  talk / sign  22:53, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

- In the "Film" section of the "Filmography", do you have citations for the box office numbers?
 * Sources added – it seems a bit much, but added.  TheAE  talk / sign  03:05, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Until all of my concerns are met, I will place this article on hold. You have seven days to address the above concerns, but I can certainly give you extra time if circumstances come up. :) Thank you and good luck! CarpetCrawler (talk) 22:11, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please, I need eight days! :P I'll do my best.  TheAE  talk / sign  04:42, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

And just one more thing. I knew I'd forget this... but when you complete the requirements, OR if you have any questions, feel free to send me a message on my talkpage. :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 22:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah. :) Hopefully I will be able to improve the article to these standards.  TheAE  talk / sign  04:42, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Good work so far! CarpetCrawler (talk) 05:51, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Things to do
The section above is getting a little confusing. So, I'm making this simple, here's what needs to be done: (by  TheAE  talk / sign )
 * 1) Try to find any info on his childhood, schooling, or family to add to the "Birth and family" section. ✅ Schooling added.
 * 2) Look for any specific notable things that happened while on Growing Pains. Can't seem to find much of note.
 * 3) Expand on his commercial work (especially the Pepsi reports on Google News). ✅


 * LOL, good idea! You're doing great work so far, it'll pass in no time flat! CarpetCrawler (talk) 08:02, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Do you have any other suggestions, or things I missed? Thanks!  TheAE  talk / sign  07:25, 1 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Nope, the article looks good now. Don't worry about if you didn't find anything about Growing Pains, as the article looks great as it is. Congratulations, the article has passed! You did a wonderful job! It's a great read, nicely sourced, and is very neutral in opinion, which is a breath of fresh air when it comes to articles involving aspects of religion. Great job and congratulations! :) CarpetCrawler (talk) 18:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)