Talk:Kirk Talley

I have removed material from that does not comply with our policy on the biographies of living persons. Biographical material must always be referenced from reliable sources, especially negative material. Negative material that does not comply with that must be immediately removed. Note that the removal does not imply that the information is either true or false.

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Please do not reinsert this material unless you can provide reliable citations, and can ensure it is written in a neutral tone. Please review the relevant policies before editing in this regard. Editors should note that failure to follow this policy may result in the removal of editing privileges.--Docg 19:41, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirect of Page to Cathedrals
I do not feel that redirecting this page to the Cathedrals was a good move. Kirk Talley is a very notable artist on his own merits. Apart from his scandal, he is a Dove award winner and Grammy nominee. That in itself makes him notable under WP guidelines. So, please do not direct this page to the Cathedrals! Junebug52 22:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Extortion Attempt
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I fail to understand your reasoning for reverting my Kirk Talley edits. Talley doesn't deny the homosexual extortion attempt -- he's gone on television to admit it.

If I'd revealed 'Kirk Talley is a CIA agent', that information, if true, would be harmful to him. Because it's a secret. The extortion case is public record. Beyond that, it can be found in numerous places on the internet, substantiated, as is the wiki article, by reputable press.

If Talley thought the information was as harmful as you believe, he wouldn't comment on it. My edit is not original research, nor does its inclusion change the way Talley is viewed in public. This is an encyclopedia. For someone who claims to be a historian, you should know that sins of omission are, at best, misleading, if not fraudulent.

The edits are returning, and a copy of this is going on the talk page.

The information is sourced in three places, the tone is neutral, and Talley has not kept it a secret. Not including it here is dishonest.--68.36.136.73 (talk) 21:03, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
 * This is sensationalism and we should use caution when using such references. If we look here at what WP:BLP says it is pretty plain that we should not be adding this. Biographies of living persons must be written conservatively, with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid paper; it is not our job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives. The possibility of harm to living subjects is one of the important factors to be considered when exercising editorial judgment. It does not matter if Talley deny's or admits, it is the choice of the editors to choose to turn it into a tabloid piece. I added the references and there is no reason to add anything more that what is there. If individuals want to follow the referenced material then they can. Canyouhearmenow 01:48, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

It should be noted that this discussion has been brought to the BLPN noticebaord --Jezebel's Ponyo shhh 03:22, 27 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The IP user has been made aware that it is listed there. Thanks Ponyo! Canyouhearmenow 14:39, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Dubious awards
The Grammy's show no record of any award nominations for "He Is Here". https://www.grammy.com/grammys/awards/34th-annual-grammy-awards-1991 is the category in 1991. The supplied source also incorrectly states that the song won the Dove Award that year for best song, but the 1992 award went to "Place in This World" recorded by Michael W. Smith the before it went to "Another Time, Another Place" performed by Sandi Patti. There is no record of this song being nominated in this category, but it did win in 1991 for SOUTHERN GOSPEL RECORDED SONG OF THE YEAR https://doveawards.com/awards/past-winners/ (you have to search and go to the second page to see it. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:07, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Addressing only The Grammy's. Here is his page. It shows, 34th Annual Grammy Awards (1991): Nominations: BEST SOUTHERN GOSPEL ALBUM: Love Will (Album) and 25TH ANNUAL GRAMMY AWARDS (1982): Nominations: BEST GOSPEL PERFORMANCE, TRADITIONAL: Something Special (Album) P37307 (talk) 00:27, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * So the source is wrong. The song did not win an award, the album on which it appeared was nominated for Best Southern Gospel Album (which was won by Homecoming by The Gaither Vocal Band). Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:35, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I was only adding The Grammy's data for your inquiry. Not versed in this artist or page. Just driving by and adding the link in the talk so you or any other editor will have it since you brought the concern to talk. I think a couple years ago I added the BLP template- A lot of unsourced content label. Happy Editing ;) P37307 (talk) 00:53, 26 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry if it sounded like I was blaming you because I wasn't. The source in the article was simply wrong. It made the claim the subject won a song of the year award when it was in fact a Southern Gospel Recorded Song of the Year, which is much less prestigious. The fact that the album and not the song won the Grammy was also misrepresented in the article, and the category was similarly incorrect. The source should never be used again as it is has been proven unreliable. Your link sealed that opinion in my mind. Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:48, 26 January 2021 (UTC)

Extortion over homosexuality revisionist
The section that described exactly what happened has been edited to make Kirk Talley seem an innocent victim. Kirk Talley is not innocent nor repentant. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.118.161.59 (talk) 08:23, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The section appears to be unbiased. --P37307 (talk) 10:21, 4 March 2021 (UTC)
 * The subject of the extortion attempt is in alignment with facts available and this platform is not a medium for opinion positions or speculation of whether or not one is innocent or guilty nor how a person has a reactive feeling such as a term described as repentance. The Wikipedia platform is designed for archival research and shouldn't be opinion based. Polarize1 (talk) 07:38, 10 December 2023 (UTC)