Talk:Kish (Sumer)

Incredible information must be verified
The information in this article is remarkable if true. Sources need to be cited.Rich 09:19, 26 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately it isn't. The page urgently needs re-editing.


 * John D. Croft — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.80.123.222 (talk) 18:22, August 2, 2006 (UTC)


 * -I'll remove most of the article if it's not verified soon.Rich 14:27, 3 August 2006 (UTC)


 * -I just emailed a famous expert on Sumer to ask her to look at this article.Rich 06:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Removed section moved to talk page
The following was deleted from the article in this edit by User:Richard L. Peterson on August 7, 2006. I figure it would be a good idea to have the text reside here in case someone can come up with the references that were requested:
 * More than 5,000 years ago the first empire in the world was founded by the King of Kish. While the name of that king is lost to history along with most of the history of his empire, the imposing title remains. Ever since that time every emperor to conquer the area known as Sumer, in present-day Iraq, from the Sargon, who overthrew Kish and established the Akkadian Empire, to Saddam Hussein has taken the title of King of Kish. In the Epic of Gilgamesh, Gilgamesh despite all his power is a vassal of the King of Kish. While he makes an attempt to display that he could be independent, by defying Kish's authority, his display is brief and in the end he comes back and pledges his fealty. Indeed, some scholars believe that both the ancient Sumerian and the Biblical flood stories arise from one of the greatest floods in history, the flood that destroyed Kish near the height of its power...while Kish recovered somewhat and had kings again this destruction enabled other empires to form.


 * From what little we know of the Empire of Kish it appears to have operated a fairly centralized bureaucracy to run a system of tithe and tax that primarily dealt in agricultural goods and animals. The structure of Kishite bureaucracy and government can in some way be reconstructed from Akkadian practices, as the Akkadian kings copied much from the leaders of Kish who in turn preserved a great deal from the earlier days of the Empire. We can tell this because of the physical structures that have been excavated. Excavation of large buildings that appear to have been central storage facilities with attached office rooms for bureaucrats have told us much about both Kishite architecture and about the purposes that architecture may have served before it was buried in the great flood that practically leveled the city and ended its glory days.

__meco 12:05, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Exact location?
Can somebody provide more precise coordinates for the location of Kish? Cush 16:41, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Lat: 32°31'58.75"N ; Long: 44°37'59.28"E NJMauthor (talk) 19:42, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Ninhursag and "the kingship"
I think the note about Ninhursag bringing kingship to Sumer may have been a misinterpretation of a translation of the Babylonian Enuma Elish. Because Kish was probably still occupied by people during the time of that epic, and because it's only categorized as a Mesopotamian city, the note is only innaccurate if the event is called "Sumerian." User:NJMauthor (talk) 19:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * oh i just deleted that note. I guess I did right but possibly it could be reworked in when and if a more fleshed out article is written. (Hopefully correct and sourced, unlike in 2006)Rich (talk) 21:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Removed section
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I've removed this section from the article again as it has major problems with policy and typical guidelines. Apart from being unencyclopedic in its writing style, and not following NPOV—both things that could be easily remedied if more important problems were solved—there are no sources given for the information whatsoever, much less sources that satisfy the Reliable Sources guidelines. In my quick search for potential sources online, I found only one reference to an apparently unavailable 2003 Guardian article that suggested Kish was one of the few archeological sites being *protected* by US forces (cited on this page). In all, this section really seems like Original Research. Remember that, per WP:V, the "burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material." This is especially the case with speculative, unsourced material that may damage the reputation of a person or organization. --Philosophus T 09:18, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Spy satellites
Kish is mentioned in an article in USA Today about using spy (and non-spy) satellites for discovering, surveying, and monitoring ancient sites like Kish. I don't know where in the article this could be mentioned. — Loadmaster (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Lots of duplicate references
Refs were added that were already there. Done with cites. I don't do cites. Hopefully some who does can dedup the refs. Of change them to refs and I will fix them. :-)Thanks. Ploversegg (talk) 23:30, 15 April 2022 (UTC)