Talk:Kiss (band)/Archive 3

Kiss (keep in satans services)
My father had told me this I wanted to know if this is true
 * an urban legend. J04n(talk page) 15:43, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

And he didn´t get it right either. It is Knights, not Keep.

"You can sit back and coast, or put it into overdrive and have a good time" Which of the band members of Kiss said this life affirming quote, & when?

Genre
I decided to source glam metal and add another genre added since they were sourced. The band widely known to be shock rock. So i sourced it, and they needed a source for glam so i went to a glam page and found one. Just wanted to add that so they can be on the infobox. 9Greenday4 (talk) 00:18, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's always a good idea to have this discussion before adding/changing genres; othwerwise things can get messy with multiple editors reverting each other. ChakaKongtalk 12:27, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
 * The guidance also states that we should "Aim for generality (e.g. Hip hop rather than East Coast hip hop)." (see Template:Infobox musical artist). So it is not necessary to state exactly every variation of their sound. Hard rock and heavy metal would probably be more sufficient.--  SabreBD  (talk) 13:31, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Detroit Rock City movie
Considering the elaborate minutia that this article goes into regarding the KISS career, I'm surprised it makes no mention of KISS's substantial concert appearance in the movie "Detroit Rock City" (1999). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.149.64.201 (talk) 06:13, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Half of one song at the end of the movie is substantial? PSB136 (talk) 14:37, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Glam rock
Don't they classify as glam rock? It's pretty obvious in my opinion. 78.72.0.233 (talk) 18:58, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

They are glam metal. Think of it as a comparison, does any kiss album sound anything like David Bowie in the 70's? That is glam Rock. Kiss is glam metal band.Joshua0228 (talk) 22:32, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Contradictory information
Contradictory information contained in the latest edition of this page helped her to be reversed. To prevent the loss of credibility that version in English, I propose the establishment of fixed version, where any edition will be automatically reversed. Since the main target are the music genres, recommend the their revision.

Thanks!--Frank Rocker (talk) 01:37, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Wonky sentence
"Kiss announced in early 2000 that they would be launching a U.S. Farewell Tour in the summer, which was to be the band's last, although it was last for the original line up; the tour kicked off on March 12, 2000.[93]"

Any idea on how this should be cleaned up? The footnote leads to a dead link. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.220.18.58 (talk) 21:51, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

So who really created the KISS logo?
I ask because the official KISS website at http://www.kissonline.com/history says "Frehley designs the original version of the now-famous KISS logo", but Paul Stanley's official website at http://paulstanley.com/bio states "Stanley designed and created the iconic KISS logo which 40 years on remains universally recognized as one of the greatest logos of the 20th century." PSB136 (talk) 14:34, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Kiss don't use the runic S in Germany?
From the article:
 * The runic letters happened to look similar to the insignia of the Nazi SS, a symbol that is now illegal to display in Germany. Therefore, to avoid controversy, since 1979 most of the band's album covers and merchandise in Germany have used a modified version of the logo instead, in which the letters "SS" look like the letters "ZZ" backwards.

Well, watch this. It's a video of Kiss performing live at BoundCon X in Zenith in Munich, which most definitely is in Germany. The runic S letters are plainly visible on the drum. How do you explain that? J I P &#124; Talk 20:14, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Drums are not "album covers or merchandise". --Moscow Connection (talk) 18:34, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
 * BTW: Illustration of German KISS logo uploaded and added. --Thnidu (talk) 04:06, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Anton Fick
Anton Fick was not an official member of Kiss in May 1980. That is a lie, a big lie. And it is an evil lie! --141.91.136.40 (talk) 17:45, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Opening Date of Alive 35 tour
The start date of the Alive 35 tour is listed as September 25, 2009. This conflicts with the wikipedia article on the tour. The date listed here is only the last leg of the tour. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.163.116.32 (talk) 16:43, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

External links modified
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I have just added archive links to 10 one external links on Kiss (band). Please take a moment to review my edit. If necessary, add after the link to keep me from modifying it. Alternatively, you can add to keep me off the page altogether. I made the following changes:
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20141104232348/http://cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/specials/1999/grammys/bigpicture.html to http://www.cnn.com/SHOWBIZ/specials/1999/grammys/bigpicture.html
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20111001043901/http://www.fightingspiritmagazine.co.uk/article.asp?IntID=66 to http://www.fightingspiritmagazine.co.uk/article.asp?IntID=66
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 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20150610223209/http://www.grammy.com/Recording_Academy/Chapters/ to http://www.grammy.com/Recording_Academy/Chapters/
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20150601030007/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bd8Rs7A0Ek&mode=related&search= to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bd8Rs7A0Ek&mode=related&search=
 * Added archive https://web.archive.org/20150601021451/http://www.therockradio.com/2005/12/kiss-frontman-needs-more-hip-surgery.html to http://www.therockradio.com/2005/12/kiss-frontman-needs-more-hip-surgery.html
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Requested move 5 January 2016

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. I always find these sorts of discussions so interesting because there is so rarely a consensus for any "partially disambiguated title". And clearly in this case there is a consensus to retain the status quo – these types of titles are a bit of a rarity, but they are not forbidden by policy. Jenks24 (talk) 05:59, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

Kiss (band) → Kiss (rock band) – WP:PRECISE/WP:NCM there are multiple bands with articles named Kiss, so this should use "rock band" there being the pop band Kiss (South Korean band) -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 04:54, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.


 * Strong oppose. First of all "2" is not a big deal. This has been discussed extra-officially here and here, and the conclusion is always the same: moving it is a disadvantage for readers. The barely notable and 10-years extint South Korean girl group, which is not a synonym for band (if you don't understand the difference between a girl group and a girl band, refer to Spice Girls vs. The Bangles) is hardly a reason to be moved, because NCM is not a policy, it is a guideline, and as stated here, it is not always right. Because of this, I oppose a move for this page, and request the page Kiss (South Korean band) to be moved to Kiss (South Korean group) instead. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 05:32, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't understand the logic of this at all... changing (band) to (group) achieves what exactly? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:55, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Or move it to "(girl group)". The thing is that is totally useless to move this article and keep the redirect here solely because another group existed for 3 days. ©   Tb hotch ™ (en-2.5). 20:05, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * In some other cases, the article name was disambiguated properly with additional disambiguation, but the partially disambiguated redirect was targetted to some preferred article. Article titles should not be ambiguous, we have redirects that can serve the purpose for ambiguous uses without making the articles sit there. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:29, 6 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Support a move, more normally to (American band), is required by WP:DISAMBIGUATION, however given the 50:1 ratio clearly a primary redirect is allowed here so that Kiss (band) still redirects to Kiss (American band), which is an exception to normal WP:DAB rules. There's no downside here, (band) will still go to the (American band), and yet on drop down menus (American band) will show. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:52, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose as pointless. The ko:키스_(음악_그룹) article and its English counterpart are little other than stubs and the palish faced US group surely have priority over Kiss (band).  The current hatnote makes things clear. GregKaye 09:49, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:PRECISE - excess precision is undesirable. The American glam rock band Kiss is clearly the primary topic as far as things which are bands and named "Kiss" go, thus "band" is sufficient to disambiguate them from other uses of competing prominence, i.e. that thing you do with your lips (and hopefully also someone else's). Any additional precision does not aid navigation. The disambiguator "girl group" would be preferable for the South Korean ensemble, and that would solve all of the problems suggested here. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 20:18, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. This Kiss is clearly the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for Kiss (band).  Some people don't think Primary Topic applies to disambiguated titles; I disagree, and this is a perfect example.  --В²C ☎ 20:57, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * This is clearly NOT a PRIMARYTOPIC because WP:PTOPIC do not use parenthetical disambiguation. Once it uses parenthetical disambiguation, it is no longer a "priamry topic". Thus it needs additional disambiguation to conform to PRECISE because there exists another band with an article. Further it fails the music guideline WP:NCM because there is another band. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:24, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * You can't seriously question the notion that upon seeing (or searching with) Kiss (band) the most likely topic to come to mind (or to be sought) is the topic of this article. The idea that partial disambiguations (titles that are disambiguated but remain ambiguous, like this one) can't have primary topics is plainly wrong on its face. If that were true then New York (city), for example, could not be a redirect to New York City (because it's ambiguous since there are other cities named New York). Absurd. --В²C ☎ 21:11, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * "New York (city)" is not the title of an article, it is a redirect. We're discussing article names not redirect targets, which is an apples and oranges comparison. -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 04:45, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * When we're talking about whether a given topic is primary for a given name or phrase, whether that name or phrase is or will be used as a title or redirect is irrelevant. The topic in question is either the primary topic for that name or phrase, or it isn't. Whether that name or phrase is used as a title or redirect has no bearing on PRIMARY TOPIC assessment. In fact, PRIMARYTOPIC says this explicitly: "The fact that an article has a different title is not a factor in determining whether a topic is primary."  --В²C ☎ 18:44, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
 * (very) Weak oppose: If moved, it should be moved to Kiss (American band). I think that partial disambiguation is generally undesirable, but exceptional cases like this one are why I try to remember to include the word "generally" when I say that. This is a case with a 60:1 viewership ratio for the last 90 days, where the dominant topic is the less recent topic, and the more recent topic is defunct and not very notable and especially not so notable among English-language readers, and the article on that topic is just a stub and will probably always remain a stub, and there seems to be only one alternative topic to consider, etc. Here the primary meaning of the partially disambiguated name is so dominant that it seems like adding further detail to its title for additional disambiguation would not be appropriate. —BarrelProof (talk) 02:07, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with the name Kiss (American band) as an alternate destination. I am the nominator -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 05:24, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I see no reason at this time for the move. I could support a move to Kiss (American band), if there were a reason to move it.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 04:29, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. By far the best-known of bands called Kiss. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:37, 6 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There's no way a 3 day band is sufficient for this, i'll be gobsmacked. GuzzyG (talk) 06:39, 9 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Comment. Note that Kiss (band) is actually a long-standing example of a partially disambiguated title at WP:PDAB.  --В²C ☎ 20:42, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Shock Rock
Kiss is sourced as one of the pioneers of the shock rock genre. I think we should have shock rock added to the genre just to be true here are sources claiming it


 * I do not agree, Alice Cooper is the "godfather". The only shock involved with KISS is Simmons blood spiting, and that does not make a genre.  Mlpearc  ( open channel ) 19:35, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

questioning 2011 Kiss Simmons statement about Israel tour
The Kiss article states that in 2011 Simmons announced concert plans to perform in Israel. However, I remember him stating in a newspaper article that it would be impossible, due to the need to ship 65 containers of equipment, or something to that effect — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.102.208.128 (talk) 11:45, 15 January 2017 (UTC)
 * If you have a reliable source you can fix the lead. cheers AlfaRocket (talk) 13:01, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

Totie Fields Section
I've added clarification that Totie Fields, the commedian who made reference to Gene Simmon's "hook" nose, was Jewish-American herself. I believe this is contextually important as the comment would otherwise be perceived as blatent racism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.148.134.227 (talk) 12:45, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

Timeline?
What happened to the timeline? Other band entries in Wikpedia have their versions?
 * What are you talking about? If anything, he is here. P. S. Signatures.--Jimi Henderson (talk) 16:21, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

edit request on 13 August 2019
Remove "And Is Expected To End In 2021" 2600:1700:9250:E280:90EE:BAEE:B060:96B (talk) 21:48, 13 August 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. -  FlightTime Phone  ( open channel ) 21:49, 13 August 2019 (UTC)

Genres
"Glam rock" should be added to genres.

KISS were influenced by New York Dolls, and had similarities in sound to Sweet and other 1970s British glam rock bands in their early period.

Heavy Metal should be added to genres.

Since KISS were early influncers of the genre and performed it during their carrer. . like in Creatures of the Night, Lick It Up and some of their other albums

"Glam metal" is already included but refers to a later time period and style. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:600:8280:58F0:64D2:AAAA:5AD0:C235 (talk) 09:04, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

End of the road tour end 2021
The best way of phrasing the end date for the tour is 'the band has hintes that the tour will last three years, putting and end date sometime in 2021, but no date past june 2020 has been anounced' NOT 'the tour is expected to end in 2021' as no official end date has been released so it is based on assumptions from previous statements. Lancslad23 (talk) 19:12, 7 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Placing the Download festival as the last date and saying it is the last show isn't the same because more shows could be added. You may want to wait until the band officially says when the final show of their final tour is going to happen. HorrorLover555 (talk) 19:38, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Exactly why it needs to be written as hinted as it is important that the possible length of the tour is written but not that it will definitely end in 2021 as nobody knows that, I think then the best way of wording it would be 'The band have hinted that the tour could last for 3 years,putting an end date sometime in 2021, but no final show date has Been confirmed yet.' Lancslad23 (talk) 21:03, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

75 million records sold, not 100 million
A user, or users, keeps inflating the supported 75 million records figure to 100 million. Yes, we're fans, but the integrity of the encyclopedia is more important than (falsely) getting our band into the 100 mil club. 2.223.51.121 (talk) 14:30, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

The Bandit
The makeup designs section could use a picture of Stanley's Bandit design. --Khajidha (talk) 13:10, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * And Criss's pantomime cat. The other different designs were never used in any official capacity, but these two were and should be shown. --Khajidha (talk) 13:13, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 August 2020
Per above discussion "75 million records sold, not 100 million". This has become a real problem and nobody seems to care. Gene Stanley1 (talk) 21:19, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. SolarFlashDiscussion 22:10, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done Jack Frost (talk) 04:42, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

A user going by the name "Mark Gitelman" is repeatedly trying to change this figure back to 100 million. He's focused on sales figures and is also targeting Bon Jovi and Aerosmith in an identical fashion. I guess this is what people do with too much free time. SolarFlashTalk Page 22:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

"KISS(band)" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has identified a potential problem with the redirect KISS(band) and has thus listed it for discussion. This discussion will occur at Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 April 6 until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion. Steel1943 (talk) 19:06, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

Image
The image is not correct. That isn’t Kiss. Theobegley2013 (talk) 13:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Which image? HorrorLover555 (talk) 16:37, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * This is referring to a recent version that was vandalized with an incorrect picture. That's been taken care of.  signed, Willondon (talk)  17:16, 28 July 2023 (UTC)
 * ―Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 01:48, 5 September 2023 (UTC)