Talk:Kisuke Urahara/Archive 1

Image
That image, is a spoiler. Its better change it to a classic "hat & sandal" one.


 * I think it's OK, the anime has already reached the stage where his captaincy was revealed, I think over a month ago. But if others say that it should be removed, then I won't object. Also, you should think about creating an account and signing your name. -- Ynhockey || Talk 11:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Has it been revealed in the english anime? I haven't really kept up with it? Kalga-han
 * Several times, to the viewer at least. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 00:52, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you add this picture to the lower part of the article, below the "zanpaktou" section? It shows Urahara using the "sing" attack form in the anime: http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb219/Nexoritor/vlcsnap-312416-1.png
 * Sadly that picture has subtitle...--Hanaichi 06:54, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's simple enough to crop out a subtitle. However, I don't think it would be particularly useful to the page, especially since the manga portrayal of the attack wasn't quite like that anyway so we might mislead people. --tjstrf talk 06:58, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Shinigami?
To whoever changed all instances of 'Death Gods' to Shinigamis, why? Even if you insist on using Japanese terms, FYI they don't have a plural form. For now I'll change it back. -- Ynhockey 03:17, 1 August 2005 (UTC)


 * |It would only be Shinigami, wouldn't it? Kalga-han


 * Why? Simple, it sounds better. Also, when they do the official english release it probably won't be translated as Death God anyway, for religious reasons. --Tjstrf 07:41, 8 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I hate dealing with english releses. I think it sould be the actual term of Shinigami. That is how Tite-sensei wrote it. Kalga-han

Inventions
Whoever added that Urahara was exiled because of his invention, are you sure? I'm pretty sure they mentioned somewhere it was because of the gigai he created, although still can't be sure of that. But it would seem pretty weird that he would be exiled because of the hougyoku anyway, since he was technically doing his job well (inventing new technologies). If anyone knows about this for sure, please confirm. -- Ynhockey 19:13, 17 August 2005 (UTC)


 * There is a level of technology in the Soul Society that is beyond the legal limits, such as Rukia's gigai which masked her prescense. Going off the Viz translations, so it may be flawed, but based on that information, the doctor who inspected Rukia's Gigai said that anyone who made it would be exiled. This does not mean that Urahara was exiled for the Hōgyoku or for Rukia's gigai, but since he attempted to pass his hand through the gate to the Soul Society in one of the issues prior to when Ichigo & Co. going there, it is highly probable that he was exiled, and did not choose to leave. I will go check a few fansubs to see if their translation of certain area's pertaining to Urahara, the Hōgyoku, and Rukia's gigai to see if anything else can be clarified. -- Kaziel 23:00 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Added tenshintai, that doll. I was unsure if Urahara actually invented it, but it says in one of the chapters that he did (only noticed now), so there it is. -- Ynhockey 20:52, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Finally the exile thing cleared up (I actually re-read part of the manga and found it). Chapter 175 p. 15. Actually you don't need to look because I quoted Manga Rain's translation exactly (in the article). -- Ynhockey 03:25, 29 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Actually, Akon inferred that it would be illegal for someone to make it. It was not given as the exact cause for Urahara's exile. Kurotsuchi mayuri 10:01, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What are you talking about? Aizen, not Akon, stated in chapter 175 (p. 15) that Urahara was exiled becausge of the gigai. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I've been thinking about the whole "Urahara always in spirit/konpaku form" thing. There's a scene (I don't remember which episode) where he and Tessai are talking in the shop. Urahara mentions that he thinks he is gaining weight, and Tessai shows him a diet aid he got from a home shopping network. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Shibata tell Chad that, as a ghost, one wouldn't gain weight? So how could Urahara have gained weight if he is always in spirit/konpaku form? - Riggermantis 07:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)


 * While I don't remember such a scene (probably from one of the earlier episodes), I wouldn't take it as complete proof that Urahara can't be a soul. Moreover, souls usually can't go hungry, but those with spiritual power can (according to Ichimaru), which means they can probably gain weight. Or not. This could just be a small plothole anyway - now that I think about it, it seems quite likely. But if you disagree, feel free to change the word 'likely' to 'speculated' in that paragraph - after all, the rest of the info is real. -- Ynhockey 09:42, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

Currently in reference to the Hōgyoku, the article says "Urahara hid the orb inside Rukia Kuchiki's gigai", but I believe this to be incorrect. I believe he hid it within her spirit, not her gigai, since Aizen retrieved it from her near the end of the Soul Society story arc, and earlier, right after her capture, her Gigai was taken to the research institute. Since at approximately the same time she was incarcerated, I believe that it is safe to say that Urahara hid it in her prior to the events of the first issue of Bleach. The reason he offered her a Gigai that muted her powers is because she had the Hōgyoku inside her. (from here on is pure speculation, with little backup) When Ichigo obtained Rukia's powers via impaling himself on her Zanpakutō, I believe that this activated the Hōgyoku, which would explain why it was not able to be tracked prior, and also why Ichigo has the Hollow side within him. (end speculation) Even ignoring my speculation, the information I have posted merits, I think, a change in the entry. Feedback?-- Kaziel 22:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * after aizen got the Hōgyoku it was still sealed, and had not been used. also ichigo's holow abilities comes from the way urahara got him to gain his powers back (shattered shaft). Shinigami Josh 05:15, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I think we should end this. It does state that because of the untrackable gigai, that he was expelled...NinjaPirates!!!

Hat
What type of hat is it exactly that Urahara wears? -- 132.203.54.38 02:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe it's a "crochet hat". It is commonly worn today by female, but for a brief period in Japan, around 1920s, it was a fashionable uni-sex item. Assuming that Urahara came to Japan 100 years ago, he must have got it back then and never bothered to find a better hat. Indeed, his shop is very similar to a house from that period except for "modern" furnishings such as electricity.--Revth 03:34, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What's good enough for Urahara should be good enough for all of us. But anyway, it does look a lot like a bucket hat? Are the two kinds related? Kalga-han

About the dub
I watched episode 7 of the English dub and noticed that the staff addressed Kisuke as 'Mr Kisuke' this to me suggests that his name was reversed at some point in the dubbing process. Sam 22:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You have to remember that japanese names have the family name first, then the actual first name last. To Japan, he's Urahara Kisuke. To Americans like me, it's Kisuke Urahara. User:Tenshou


 * In the English dub, he should have been referred to as Mr. Urahara since that's his surname. --Pentasyllabic 19:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Yet he wasn't. It's english dubbing. Don't whine about it, the dub is still good.


 * Its because of the mouth flaps. "Kis-ke" vs "ur-a-ha-ra". You simply can't fit Urahara with the lip movements. 75.69.249.177 04:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not complaining, I was just making a point, although the point about mouthflaps does make sense. I think he was referred to as simply 'boss' or 'manager' in later episodes though.

^Sorry, that was me, I changed computers and forgot that I wasn't signed in '_'; Sam 19:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * He calls him Mr. Kisuke not only for dub reasons, but it was also a less formal, but still formal, way of addressing him. Just think of Tessai calling him Kisuke-san.

Who can see Urahara/ what exactly is he?
He still has his Sword when he is walking about in the human world, like when he helps Ichigo, but at the same time, he still can be seen by regular humans, None of the other Shigingami can do this from what I can tell, (Only having read up to the end of Ichigo's training with Urahara) So is he in some type of middle form or what? It is so counfusing. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.244.187.164 (talk) 20:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC).


 * I think he's in a constant gigai... -- Ghost Stalker (Got a present for ya!) 22:40, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

so he has like the only Zanpakutō that is visible/exists in the real world? or is there also some gigai for it? :P
 * We can't conclude that. In fact, I don't think we even know if he's visible to the non-spiritually aware. --tjstrf talk 22:49, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * He is visible to normal people; see chapter 29, pages 14-15. Gdo01 22:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

its always a possibility he switches out of his gigai right before fights etc. we've never seen him go directly from visible to others to drawing his zanpakuto etc. there is always some time gap...so who knows. --Grimjaw 01:36, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Tessai
Maybe he was Urahara's lieutenant. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)


 * Yeah, maybe. Its pure speculation though. MoChan 03:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This is also just speculation, but it would also make sence if Kurotuchi was the lieutenent, and just got moved up a rank, because that is what they are for. And Tessai would look weird in Shinigami garb, don'tcha think? Kalga-han
 * Well, it's pretty obvious that Tessai is a Shinigami and his knowledge Kido would certainly be on the vice-captain level. Still, it's speculation and not wiki-suitable for the moment. GreatMizuti 13:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that Tessai has the Gotei 13 emblem on the back of his apron. Of course, that isn't enough to base his rank on, but stil. Special Penguin 00:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special Penguin (talk • contribs)

Spoiler: In the new bleach chapter it reveals that hyori is the old lt for the 12th division —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.59.231.73 (talk) 22:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

SPOILER: In the new mini-series of Bleach "Turn Back the Pendulem", it is stated that Tessai is the Commander of the Kidō Corps and Tessai himself has a liutenant, Hachi (the Vizard with pink hair). Also, it should be noted that Tessai appeared to be a high level Shinigami to begin with when Kisuke was first training Ichigo. He used a level 99 Binding spell without the incantion.

Bankai
It says in the article that his bankai can probably kill someone outright but not in a physical matter. This is complete speculation. For all we know, it can cause the nearest American to shoot pink bunny rabbits out of his ass. MoChan 03:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be the coolest bankai ever.70.138.167.143 (talk) 02:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

That would be awesome if it could do that.Rocks Lotus 15:07, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

rocks lotus is the funniest person in the world.

I bet you its either some sort of attack you can't dodge, or it does some sort of nasty area effect like take the oxygen out of the air or shoot toxic gas. He said it was not fit for lending power to others, so that rules out something that gives its energy to others, shields them, or heals, and it was not fit for training others, so that rules out something that can attack outright, like Renji's Bankai, attack with energy, like Getsuga Tensho, or something that improves his ability to shield himself, for that would allow someone to train by whacking on the shield. Its probably something like Suzumebachi, only "one shot, one kill." This is also speculation.

kisuke having a cero like attack
he doesn't shoot ceros, it doesn't look like a cero etc.

the anime drew it stupidly so everyone now thinks he shoots ceros and shit...no he doesn't. it's way more like the getsuga tensho than anything. he also cancelled that out in ep 30-ish during the training flashback while ichigo fought renji, does that mean its a getsuga tensho? hell no. if u want proof the anime got it wrong look at this
 * They drew it like that because it is made of his own blood. It's not a cero. It is indeed like Ichigo's Shikai, but just with blood. NinjaPirates!!!
 * actually its a compression of reiatsu at the tip that he then shoots off in a crecent shape...rest assured it isn't his blood. --Grimjaw 23:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * has anyone considered the fact that Urahara may in fact be a Vizard, with his hat masquerading as his mask? This would explain both his knowledge of the vaizard and his ability to use cero if it indeed is cero.  Additionally, it would explain his method for causing Ichigo to turn into a shinigami, and his calmness at the fact that he became both a hollow and a shinigami at the same time.  Additionally, it would explain a self-imposed exile from Soul Society, and why his Bankai "is not the type" to help others grow in power. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 199.41.197.24 (talk) 19:50, 28 March 2007 (UTC).
 * I agree its not a cero blast. Don't assume everything crimson is hollow related, just because of ichigo's hollow colour schemes and cero blasts in general being red. Originally Renji aura was green but then they made it red. shows how non-consistent the anime is. and ikkaku madarame has a yellow shikai aura and a crimson bankai aura but we know its not a cero in that case either. They made Benihime shoot red blasts to emphasize it some from his blood which is red, not to relate it to cero blasts. however, I have to admit that the 'theory' of him hiding his mask in his hat is very interesting--Noman953 01:33, 16 April 2007

What if the skill(which looks like cero) is actually a skill he possess? That's why he won't train Chad, because he will negate all of Chad's attack with ease. Brute force does him no harm, could this be the reason? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.13.31.6 (talk) 13:50, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Still speculation, I firmly believe though that Kisuke's attack has a cero like effect, where he can control the attack to the point of the same energy as a cero. He even said so himself in Episode 140 that if he knows how the muscles of Yammy move and how the spirit particles arrange themselves, he can produce the same force of a Bala or cero.-- Hana ichi  13:55, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Urahara ?
From which japanese expression did the word Urahara come ? 裏腹 (opposite, reverse, contrary) or 裏原 (ura-harajuku, a place in the harajuku area). Or somethings else ? --Remka 00:52, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Kisuke Urahara (浦原 喜助), read the article :P --Pentasyllabic 04:35, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Kisuke means glad to help in kanji —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.230.60.5 (talk) 18:06, 3 January 2008 (UTC) Maybe it means karma. Remember the 5th opening said fate and karma were both against me, and one of those two was urahara in the lyrics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalraptor (talk • contribs) 19:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Names, first or last?
I've been seeing several people going about attempting to standardize the names one way or another, and while in most cases I agree that first names work fine, I do not think that is a good idea in Urahara's case since he is much better known by his last name. I seem to recall that they primarily refer to him by it in the dub as well, which would further reinforce this. --tjstrf talk 08:11, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In short: I think that if a name is much more common, it should be used, with last names in unclear cases.
 * I don't think a solid standard is needed across all Bleach-related articles. IMO most characters should be referred to using their last names, but there are a few, especially families (Ishida, Kurosaki) who cannot be practically referred to in such a way. There are other exceptions such as Yoruichi. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 08:52, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Added possible country of origin
After watching the arrancar arc's opening, you can clearly see the British flag (the union jack) in the background behind Urahara. I think this combined with his blonde hair, western looking appearance, and the wearing of Irish colors (green and white) make it a very reasonable speculation that the creators are hinting at British roots. I don't think it violates original research either because you can see it in the 6th opening (the rolling star one.)

Any disagreements? --DeviantCharles 22:26, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I disagree. It's speculation, we cannot include speculation. While it is an interesting coincidence, nothing in the manga itself has ever said this, so it's quite likely just that, a coincidence. --tjstrf talk 22:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

And aside to that, note that his Initials (Last name first) is UK. Coincidence?

Yes it is. Without any solid proof (such as Kubo Tite saying he is British) we cannot add it onto Wikipedia, no matter how much you think it should be there. Kisuke has a western looking appearence? Just because he has blond hair(Izuru has it too) doesn't mean he is British or Irish for that matter. Opening theme could be non canon.-- Hana ichi  02:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Facts/neutrality dispute
Thereisnowhy, I as stumped as to why you added the neutrality template, I thought you were disputing facts. In any case, it is not clear whether Urahara's zanpakutō can help train someone better than any regular zanpakutō, but what is clear is that his final release cannot help train, at least according to himself. Therefore, only information that is definitely clear should be added. Anything else is speculation. I really don't see what you are disputing. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I have no clue either. As best I can see, Thereisnowhy seems to just want a sentence added that, while true, is completely irrelevant to anything. I can't even figure out why he cares at all, unless he's subtly pushing some pet theory. --tjstrf talk 23:46, 23 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Nope, no theory. I apologize for any misunderstanding here, I just think it's notable to point out that Kisuke trained Ichigo with initial release and did not/could not train Chad with final release. That's a fact, I apologize if I seemed as though I inserted my own views into that somehow. I've construed this as a few people ganging up on me here, but i'm new, so if that was not your intention, i'm fine with that, I would like to reach some some of middle ground here where all facts can be included. Thereisnowhy 02:06, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * We appreciate your edits; however, at times although information is present, it does not necessarily have to be included. As Urahara's statement that his final release cannot train people is our only piece of information on it, it is included. That he is able to train people with his initial release is however, irrelevant in the scope of the article, especially given that the abilities and other facts concerning his initial release are present. Those facts are more notable than the fact that he can train people with it. Ergo, it is not included. Sephiroth BCR (Converse) 02:10, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * One of the foundational policies is Consensus. This is the "we" that "we're" talking about. :)  It is a good article, and you might be interested in reading it if you haven't already. –Gunslinger47 02:30, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Hougyoku
Should we add a picture? I read a lot on Wiki, but I've never really done anything on it, so I don't know. It would seem like a picture would be nice, though it is just one of his inventions, it's an important plot device. The only reason I could see why not is it might clog the page up a little. AlphaNinja25 01:11, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The question you have to ask is whether a picture is needed to illustrate the subject. I mean, if it's only for decorative purposes, then a picture should definitely not be added. IMO, the tenshintai for example is more important to illustrate than just a small orb. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 01:16, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, you're probably right. AlphaNinja25 06:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

History: "first president of the Shinigami Research Institute"
In the Bount arc, Rantao was said to precede Kisuke. Can someone confirm this, and change it? Kloneman 02:16, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem is, its the Bount Arc. Its a filler and Kubo had almsot nothing to do with it. I think Rantao said she was the leader of the Research team for Bounts.-- Hana ichi  02:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, whether the arc is canon or not is one thing but my main point would be that Rantao was the president of the group that preceded the Shinigami Research Institute, Urahara on the other hand founded and presided over the current Shinigami Research Institute. GreatMizuti 13:02, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

In the anime yes. In the manga, no.

There is absolutely no evidence that Rantao was ever a president of any research institute. Having seen all the anime episodes, I cannot say that I have heard any character say this. Urahara on the other hand, was the first president, clearly stated by Yoruichi. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 22:55, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Clothes
Has anyone noticed that Urahara's cape is the exact inverse of a shinigami captain's haori. You know, mainly black with white diamonds on the bottom. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metalraptor (talk • contribs) 20:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It's green, not black. 79.0.99.89 00:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Orb of distortion
Why it's called "Orb of distortion" and not "Hōgyoku" on the other pages? Is there a reason to use the translation over its proper name? 79.0.99.89 00:38, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The translation should be used everywhere, if possible. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 12:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * So why use "shinigami" and "zanpakuto"? 82.52.9.165 (talk) 03:32, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Per consensus. -- Ynhockey (Talk) 06:56, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It was announced in the English dub last night as being called Hogyoku as well, so we should start changing 70.138.167.143 (talk) 02:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)