Talk:Kitsch movement

Clean-up
This article needs a major overhaul. It's basically an essay. It needs sources that clearly discuss the topic rather than sources that support the primary author's ideas. There's a difference and we need to maintain that.  freshacconci  talk talk  16:58, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

This page is what the above author claims "an essay". I recommend removal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitschpainter (talk • contribs) 17:01, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If you would prefer the article to be deleted you can nominate it for deletion (see WP:AFD). It's usually preferable to clean up an article rather than deleting it but if you feel there are no third-party sources to establish this as a notable art movement, AFD is the way to go.  freshacconci  talk talk  17:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Kitsch is not Art (see Broch, Adorno, Greenberg, et. al.). Consequently, "the kitsch movement" cannot be properly defined as an art movement much less a notable one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kitschpainter (talk • contribs) 18:58, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

I would also add as a response to freshacconci comment on his "talk" page; "Artist" is not a neutral term. However, the term "artist" is not an issue due to this topic does not concern art i.e. what an artist makes but kitsch.Kitschpainter (talk) 19:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Clean ups text checks
I've started a clean up on this article and hope to link it to the Odd Nerdrum article. I am traveling with out access to sources so can't check the text, but some sounds oddly familiars and I am wondering about plagiarized text. I won;t get back to this for almost three weeks but I will take a look then.(Littleolive oil (talk) 15:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC))
 * I've begun to clean up the article. Sources are in need of formatting. I'll try and get to them soon.(Littleolive oil (talk) 03:39, 22 August 2017 (UTC))

The kitsch philosophy
The word, kitsch, was originally popularized in the 1930s by the art theorists Theodor Adorno, Hermann Broch, and Clement Greenberg, who each sought to define avant-garde and kitsch as opposites. To the art world of the time, the immense popularity of kitsch was perceived as a threat to culture. The arguments of all three theorists relied on an implicit definition of kitsch as a type of false consciousness, a Marxist term meaning a mindset present within the structures of capitalism that is misguided as to its own desires and wants. Marxists believe there to be a disjunction between the real state of affairs and the way that they phenomenally appear."

The Kitsch philosophy, as a positive view, is based on the term art, or fine art as solely the "concept" as opposed to its physical manifestation, a view popularized in the 18th century by the German philosopher Immanuel Kant in his book, Critique of Judgement. According to Kant, art should be regarded with "aesthetic indifference". Others have come to similar conclusions about the origin of art, notably, Larry Shiner in The Invention of Art.

Opposing views of kitsch
According to Hermann Broch there is "kitsch of genius" (genialischer kitsch), such as the painter Ilya Repin or the composer Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky. Broch called kitsch "the evil within the value-system of art"—that is, if true art is "good", kitsch is "evil". While art was creative, Broch held that kitsch depended solely on plundering creative art by adopting formulas that seek to imitate it, limiting itself to conventions and demanding a totalitarianism of those recognizable conventions. Broch accuses kitsch of not participating in the development of art, having its focus directed at the past, as Greenberg speaks of its concern with previous cultures. To Broch, kitsch was not the same as bad art; it formed a system of its own. He argued that kitsch involved trying to achieve "beauty" instead of "truth" and that any attempt to make something beautiful would lead to kitsch. Consequently, he opposed the Renaissance to Protestantism.

Some argue that the avant-garde, in becoming the established academic norm, has become the embodiment of this kitsch. That is, art now depends "solely on plundering creative art by adopting formulas that seek to imitate it, limiting itself to conventions and demanding a totalitarianism of those recognizable conventions."(Such as the zeitgeist and aesthetic indifference). Thus, Nerdrum's position could be construed as ironic. However, to conclude this as the primary objective would be an oversimplification of the kitsch philosophy.

Objective questioning
The kitsch philosophy is humanist in nature and characterized by empiricism, and/or objectivism, especially concerning aesthetics. It is founded upon knowledge a posteriori, or based upon experience. This is in distinction to Kant's claim that Art (as the sublime - aesthetic experience of the pure concept) is based upon knowledge a priori. As such, in contrast with the common contemporary definition of art, the positive view of kitsch rejects Hegel's assertion that the artist should follow the zeitgeist, and further, questions the assumption of its existence; reasoning that many different ideologies, dogmas, and social perspectives exist simultaneously around the world at any given point in time. Consequently, the kitsch philosophy emphasizes individualism and liberty.

Painters
Orfeus Publishing, in Nov, 2013 released a book entitled: "The Nerdrum School: The Master and His Students" depicting over 80 students of Nerdrum.


 * Roberto Ferri
 * Jeremy Caniglia
 * Rose Freymuth-Frazier
 * Richard T. Scott
 * Shane Young
 * Richard T. Scott
 * Shane Young
 * Shane Young

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