Talk:Kiyomi Tsujimoto

POV
I'm reverting some recent anonymous accusations of anti-Americanism and desires to destroy the Japanese state and people, along with a broken link cited as a source. I'm not completely comfortable doing so, since I'm not that familiar with the actual situation and my Japanese isn't good enough to let me decipher the ja.wikipedia.org article linked as a source. However, the edits definitely strike me as POV if not vandalism, and I don't trust them. I also see that the IP making these edits has been blocked for vandalism in the past.

I'd like to get some more input or information from more knowledgable users, to get a more trustworthy and less POV take on the issues.

-David Schaich 19:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

David, you should remove those sentences after reading Tsujimoto's own comments at the ja.wikipedia.org and at the web.archive.org(the link is alive). If Japanese is a cipher for you, you should not do such a thing. This is not the matter of your belief, but of the fact.--129.120.103.223 17:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I have made and will continue to make the best judgement based on the information available to me. In particular I have searched through the Peace Boat's Web site and the press on it and have found no indication of anti-Americanism.  Not even the [freerepublic.com/focus/news/661143/posts Free Republic] makes that claim.


 * The Peace Boat has made many anti-American declarations in Japanese. For example,
 * http://www.peaceboat.org/cruise/report/35th/sep/0929/ship01.html
 * http://www.peaceboat.org/cruise/report/35th/sep/0929/ship02.html
 * http://www.peaceboat.org/info/news/2003/031203.html
 * http://www.peaceboat.org/info/news/2003/030318_3.html
 * http://www.peaceboat.org/info/news/2002/021014.html
 * http://www.peaceboat.org/info/news/2003/030617.html
 * http://www.peaceboat.org/cruise/report/35th/oct/1013/index.html
 * It is a matter of common knowledge in Japan that the Peace Boat is an anti-American and anti-Zionistic organization.


 * I tossed all (yes, all) these links through Google translate; the results weren't pretty but generally compehensible. In particular, I didn't see anything that struck me an anti-American.  They generally just seem to be pretty tame statements opposing the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. -David Schaich 03:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Those are very "formal" declarations. Anti-Americanism is the core of the value system for the Social Democratic Party. Immediately after the September 11, 2001 attacks, a young Dietwoman from the Social Democratic Party, Yoko Hara, wrote "Zamāmiro!" ("Good for you!" or "It serves you right!") on her own site. Many Japanese accused Hara and the Social Democratic Party.--129.120.103.223 06:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The link is currrently not working using Firefox 1.5 on a Windows XP computer. Clicking on it produces a 400 Bad Request error; looking for the original produces a 404 not found error.  Last week I was receiving a 503 Service Unavailable error.  Perhaps the site is up intermittently, but so far it hasn't been stable enough to rely on here. -David Schaich 18:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The link is working using IE6 or Firefox 1.5 on a Windows XP computer.
 * http://web.archive.org/web/20050309021651/http://www.cafeglobe.com/special/01_nov/girls/g011112.html


 * It is working for me now as well, but I would still like to see a reliable (in both senses of stable and trustworthy) source. -David Schaich 03:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * ????? That article is very favorable for Tsujimoto.--129.120.103.223 06:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * What does that have to do with anything? I'm talking about how the article has been deleted from its original site, was inaccessible for a good week on the archive, and may well go down again.  If this information is credible, it should be available from additional, more reliable sources. -David Schaich 19:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, and as I'm sure you're aware, Wikipedia articles can be edited by anyone and by themselves shouldn't be used as sources for other Wikipedia articles. -David Schaich 19:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * David, you can read the full text of the magazine story (Shukan Shincho, 13 October 2005) which includes Tsujimoto's comments that she wants to destroy the structure of the state at this site.--129.120.103.223 02:30, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm willing to take your word for it and am happy to see that these edits are more than blind vandalism. I am disturbed to see that your IP has been responsible for vandalism in between your edits to this article and talk page.  I'll leave the information and links in the article and try to rephrase it so it is less POV, and keep an eye out for sources I can verify. -David Schaich 03:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Peace Boat
Is Tsujimoto still a leader of the Peace Boat? Otherwise most of that stuff about it is irrelevant and should go into a separate Peace Boat article. -David Schaich 19:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)


 * According to this (written on February 5, 2005), although Tsujimoto calls herself the Representative of the Peace Boat on the media, she is one of the Joint Representatives and one of the investors.--64.154.81.242 02:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

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