Talk:Klallam language

Orthography
The orthography used is the Americanist Phonetic Alphabet. Is this the "official orthography", or just a fiat orthography?96.225.89.127 (talk) 23:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

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Phonemicity of /e ~ ɛ/
You have said that /e/ or /ɛ/ is a phoneme; however, it only occurs before /j/, /jˀ/, or /ʔ/ as an allophone of /i/. It is written in the orthography only at the request of the elders (who "disliked spellings such as ʔíʔɬx̣ʷaʔ"). In fact, the same or similar allophony occurs with /u/. (Montler 2015)

Montler does NOT call [e] a phoneme. The charts presented are only charts of the characters used in the Klallam orthography. That [e] is indicated in the orthography is an exception, not the rule.

Also: In [|this paper], cited elsewhere in the article, Montler in fact does analyze Klallam as having four, not five, phonemic vowels.

Algæ (talk) 14:09, 16 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Well, according to Crawford (2016), in her masters thesis article, she lists a five vowel inventory of /i ɛ ə a u/, citing Montler (2015) as the primary source. Although if you actually have the page that displays the vowel sounds in Montler's 2015 "Klallam Grammar", please send it to me. I'd like to see it. Thanks Fdom5997 (talk) 19:53, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll provide that when I can. Algæ (talk) 19:58, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Please do so. Thank you. Fdom5997 (talk) 20:03, 16 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Klallam Grammar, page 9 (emphasis mine): "So the occurrence of this sound is predictable [...] this systematic inconsistency [in the orthography] has been established at the request of elders, who [...] disliked spellings such as ʔíʔɬx̣ʷaʔ for ʔéʔɬx̣ʷaʔ 'Elwha.' Algæ (talk) 22:44, 17 October 2023 (UTC)