Talk:Klemheist knot

Hedden
A reference to the Hedden seems appropriate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richard Taytor (talk • contribs) 01:23, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

French prusik?
This external link does suggest the Klemheist the same as a French prusik. However I'm willing to believe this could be wrong, as suggested by recent edits. Anybody have a link, image or other ref for a French prusik which might clarify the situation? I don't have any climbing references handy at the moment, but will check next time I get a chance. --Dfred 16:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

True Machard knot is in English known as the 'Autoblock', invented by a climber named Serge Machard and properly documented. I've added a reference. Later it was modified by some into the klemheist, and with the name 'Machard knot' already taken some named it a french prusik. The french themselves seem to refer to it as the 'French Machard knot' while keeping the name 'Machard knot' exclusively for the Autoblock. See for example the French wiki on the subjects.

Modification of non encyclopedic tone
I modified the following sentence primarily because of tone, being place in the external links section and use of personal pronouns. I did confirm that "klem" does mean clamp in Dutch, but in German it is "Klemme". Though I can not confirm that is why the knot is named that, it is also at times a last name. If someone has any references to the general class of knots being named klemmnoten, please place that back in the text.

NB: Sometimes the knot name is misspelled 'Kleimheist'--extra "i". ("Klem" I believe means "clamp" or ... in German; the general class of knots seems to be "klemmnoten".
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Sometimes the knot name is misspelled Kleimheist, with an extra i. Klem means clamp in Dutch.
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WikipedianYknOK 01:00, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

"Klem" indeed means "clamp" in Dutch, however (for me having Dutch as maternal tongue) "heist" sounds very German to me. Anyone who knows where the second part of the name/word comes from? Jurjenb 11:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC-5)

I removed the 'Klem means clamp in Dutch'. Klemheist is not a Dutch word, and does not seem to have its origins in Dutch. Possibly German in which 'klemm' means to clamp and 'heist' could come from 'heissen' which means 'to mean' or 'is named' (e.g. 'Er heist Prusik': his name is Prusik).