Talk:Knödel

Food and Drink Assessment
I rated class as "start" as the article has more information than a mere stub, but doesn't have any references or notes. Importance qualifies as low. VirginiaProp 14:07, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Image of Thüringer Klöße
The second image shows some unusually white dumplings. The same image is used at the German Wikipedia, but I'd like to remove it, because I think, they don't look really like they should. If no one disagrees, I will remove it in two weeks. Toscho 22:06, 3 October 2007 (UTC)


 * That picture appears to suffer from either over exposure or a too bright flash (my guess is on the second as the exposure is only 1/50). I uploaded a new version to give the image a less of a washed out look, lets see how it goes over. Gh5046 (talk) 19:51, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Should the plural or singular name be used for the article?
I would imagine the article should be titled Klöß (apparently the singular form), instead of the plural form. If no one disagrees, I will rename this article and update its wording. Gh5046 (talk) 19:57, 9 April 2008 (UTC)


 * singular form of Klöße is Kloß, not Klöß. And it is usually used in the plural form, as noone ever orders a sigle Kloß to their roast... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.185.77.106 (talk) 17:48, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

General problem
The article is containing great mistakes. The general problem, is that is mixes up Klöße and Knödel, which are different things. Somebody speaking german should take a peek in german wikipedia and copy from there. As it is now, the article is nothing but a mess... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.185.77.106 (talk) 17:51, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Since you apparently know Deutsch to some degree, can you update it? Gh5046 (talk) 18:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The german article starts by stating that they're also known as knödel. --62.251.121.48 (talk) 17:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The problem is that there is no standard terminology in Germany. As a native German speaker from the district of Swabia in Bavaria, I almost exclusively use the word "Knödel" only, but e. g. people from Franconia, where I'm currently living, predominantly use the term "Kloß", at least for their local variants. From my experience, the use of "Kloß/Klöße" vs. "Knödel" heavily depends on the speaker's point of view and the usage of the words in his or her family / hometown. For example, a friend of mine calls Franconian style Knödel "Klöße" but uses "Knödel" to refer to Semmelknödel, which are not a part of traditional Franconian cuisine. I hope this helps to clear things up a bit! LadyLanquist (talk) 16:44, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

In Hindelang where I was Knoedel were dumplings, Kloesse and Kloepse were meatballs. The article misses out Schinkenknoedel. Germknoedel are less like dumplings and more like buns (being made with yeast). They can be served with custard. And you could mention that the French quenelle is a corruption of Knoedel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.152.151.189 (talk) 14:36, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

This sentence is incorrect re Hungarian variety: "Topfenknödel are made with quark cheese (Topfen), (Hungarian túrógombóc), traditionally topped with cinnamon sugar and served with apple sauce or with streusel". The Hungarian variety (túrógombóc) is not traditionally topped with cinnamon or served with apple sauce. I will not edit the sentence as I do not wish to harm the German context or comparison, but text for the Hungarian form could read "Hungarian túrógombóc is made with túró (curd cheese), rolled in breadcrumbs and served with sour cream and sugar". I have added a picture of a typical traditional túrógombóc to the gallery. Kicsinyul (talk) 10:40, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

In the southeast of New Brunswick Canada, known as Poutine râpée
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ZShoppe (talk) 14:15, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the proposal was no evidence provided to support move. JPG-GR (talk) 03:14, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Klöße → Knödel — As this is a southern German dish, seems like the Bavarian and Austrian name is better. — 70.51.8.59 (talk) 04:23, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

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 * Comment I've certanly known it as Knoedel, but that might be more from the yiddish and the germans I know than anything else? Can the nominator provide any evidence either way? Narson (talk) 21:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

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*No problem'
I think the article is not a mess any more

The Esset
It's been a while, but I did take four years of German, and I was under the impression that ß is no longer used as a character. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.47.148.150 (talk) 17:30, 23 January 2009 (UTC) Warrington (talk) 15:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


 * No, it's still in use, see the German_spelling_reform_of_1996.
 * 85.166.68.223 (talk) 23:59, 28 February 2009 (UTC)


 * If I may offer another, minor clarification, it's "Ess-zett", too. "esset" would sound like "essen".  Best regardsTheBaron0530 (talk) 21:32, 27 February 2017 (UTC)theBaron0530

Move again
To repeat the request, I'd say it's about time to move the article to Knödel. It is not just the most common name in the great German language dumpling regions, such as Austria and Southern Germany, but I've noticed the usage of Knödel also in Northern Germany, such as in Berlin. Arguments, anyone? Catgut (talk) 02:03, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * In absence of any arguments or comments, I'll move the article within 24 hours. Catgut (talk) 21:53, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. In case of any further arguments or comments, please discuss here on the talk page, thanks. Catgut (talk) 00:15, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Streusel: gombotzen/zwetschkenknoedel
Hot buttered caramelized bread crumbs are not the same as streusel. They are not used with these dumblings but with cakes. You can see it in the recipe. So I have deleted it. --213.162.68.159 (talk) 09:17, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
 * - can you sort this out? I think they might very well be the same, or? Hafspajen (talk) 14:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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What's the problem with "Czechia"?
please don't keep changing "Czechia" to "Czech Republic" - that just results in what's called an WP:EDITWAR and can lead to editors being banned. The recommended approach is to follow WP:BRD and discuss it here. Now you've mentioned WP:COMMONNAME as a reason to switch to the long title and that would be a valid criterion for an article title, but nowhere in Wiki policy are we required to censor a less common name in the text of articles by removing every occurrence of them. In this case, "Czechia" is the official short title of the country in English recommended by the Czech Republic and recognised by the United Nations which include all English-speaking countries. The name "Czechia" may not yet be the most common name in English, but neither is it WP:NOTCENSORED. Hope that helps and looking forward to a constructive engagement. Cheers. Bermicourt (talk) 16:32, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * There is no problem. According to Wikipedia rule WP:COMMONAME we use primary name used on Wikipedia which is in this case the Czech Republic (agreed upon for example in Talk:Czech Republic). Agreed upon that in specific cases other forms of the names can be used when it is containted in article written newly or in which name can be specifically highlightened. That is in accordance with not censored WP. My edit isn't "change", but an revert to previous version of the article with common name, because form of a name used in Knödel article was Czech Republic from 2011 to 2022 and someone unilaterally changed it in this edit. (18:06, 1 February 2022‎). . Its just revert to common name. Thank you --ThecentreCZ (talk) 23:39, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I think the problem is more to do with the unpopularity of Česko in Czechia itself where many Czechs WP:JUSTDONTLIKEIT. Meanwhile in in Britain and elsewhere, the government has recommended the use of Czechia in future, in line with the Czech government wishes. So it will become the common name quite soon, when I'm sure you will support the change wholeheartedly. Meanwhile it is still WP:NOTCENSORED and you should not be mass deleting the name. Bermicourt (talk) 07:40, 30 April 2023 (UTC)

Topfenknödel vs. Quarkknödel
The German term is not Topfenknödel, but Quarkknödel. "Topfen" is used by Austrians, "Quark" by Germans. 2A02:810A:9C0:63C:6C33:8170:A979:68C5 (talk) 08:48, 15 October 2023 (UTC)