Talk:Koç School

opinions??
Article is biased against the school administration although opinions expressed in the article are mostly accurate.

"domestically it fails repeatedly every year." This is a biased generalization, which not only lacks detailed desciption of the school policy towards OSS (national examination), but also fails to remember that the school history entails one first place in OSS, with many more first hundred places in every year, an achievement that only a few school can boast about in Turkey. (Oguzhan Atay, The Koc School, 2007)

"The Overseas College Guidance Office has displayed its lack of professionalism many times - for example, by forgetting to sign some of the students' documents, by mixing up applications, by requesting that the students change their teacher recommendations several times throughout the admission process. Needless to say, even though the school has some success with overseas admissions..." The article is biased. Regarding this excerpt; The Koc School has one of the best overseas college guidance offices, as stated today by the head of admission of Penn State. Many students in Turkey who apply overseas envy The Koç School's guidance for overseas universities. NOTE: She claimed that it is the best overseas counseling office in the world though it is disputable. (Denizhan Duran, The Koç School, Class of 2007)

The article is biased as far as facts are biased. I was a member of this school. My teacher recommendations were changed several times without my consent. My documents were forgotten to be signed. I don't give a fiddler's fart what Penn State admission head says. -Anlam K.

"For instance, good technical students easily supersede their teachers in fields such as mathematics and physics and hence get 5s - equivalent of an A in the Turkish system - effortlessly" The school offers IB and regular classes. The examples given in the article are utterly wrong since mathematics and physics teachers for IB high level courses are one of the best teachers in their fields, not only at the Koc School, but also in Turkey and probably the world. I have not met a single person who "superseded" Mr. Ives and Mr. Kamper, physics and math teachers respectively. (Oguzhan Atay, The Koc School)

"While the school allegedly puts a lot of effort into extracurricular activities, the only activity that gets solid attention is MUN - "Mun is the most important activity because it advertises the school's name" as the high school's headmaster Fusun Ersoy has said, unwittingly proving the school's shallow insistence on appearance and reputation without much substance" MUN isn't the only social activity that takes attention; the school adminstration values its sport teams and arts groups as well. Also, Füsun Ersoy, the school's headmaster never claimed that MUN was the most important activity in school, since it's not possible to distinguish between clubs in a very prestigious school. MUN isn't shallow and it isn't only appearance and reputation; the school gains prominence with many awards gained in national or international science or creativity projects. Both these two fallacious comments are bitter for such an important school in Turkey. (Denizhan Duran, The Koç School, Class of 2007)

" Also, Füsun Ersoy, the school's headmaster never claimed that MUN was the most important activity in school, since it's not possible to distinguish between clubs in a very prestigious school." This is a factual inaccuracy. Fusun Ersoy said this and if you ask Seda Sengor (assuming she has a memory slightly longer than a year - very dubious), she will confirm what I have written. When she said this, you probably still were wearing your diapers. The comments are not bitter. Whatever emotional content you may see under them is irrelevant. What is important is that they are factually true. -Anlam K.

I can see that your (Anlam K.) sources are very reliable and not subject to any debate. Your mind and Seda Sengor's memory (presumably) are the best ways to prove a statement. And I can see that "factually true" means very little to you. Therefore, it is no wonder that you attack anyone or anything in the case of this school which challenges your ideas. And for bitterness, I can only say that your comment about "diapers" --though not directed at me -- is equally neither bitter nor emotional. It is a pity on the part of this school that the education you have received here has not thought you modesty, factual accuracy or manners. This is the only "fact" which supports your arguments on the low quality of this school. If you do not have the record of anything, you have nothing to base your arguments. Please stop being rude and using "weasel words." --Oguzhan Atay, Class of '07 (16 Feb 2007)

First, my comment about diapers was directed at you but it wasn't bitter or emotional. It was cold and sarcastic if you want to know. Second, it is not a pity on the part of this school that the "education" (?) I received has not taught me modesty or manners, since a school is not supposed to mold the personalities of its students in a semi-totalitarian manner. A school is supposed to provide a free environment in which students flourish as individuals. Koc was (still is?) pretty fixated about certain exotic disciplinary agendas such as the dress code when I was there. Look, whine as much as you want. I know that she has said that - it is factually, actually true. It is a simple premise of theory of knowledge that being unable to prove something with mathematical accuracy does not rule out the possibility that proposition is still true. ("If you do not have the record of anything, you have nothing to base your arguments." I can see that whole ToK education has been a waste for you. See my note on diapers.) And look at the overwhelming evidence, look at all the funding and attention MUN receives as opposed to other activities in the school, such as athletics, chess and sciences. I mean I could cite a multitude of events about why this school fails bitterly in some very crucial respects. (Note that there are some very good and inspiring teachers such as Raymond Ives and Gautam Sen.) When the 9/11 attacks occurred, the headmaster at the time John Chandler wanted us to have a moment of silence for the victims. Fair enough. However, when the US invaded Afghanistan shortly after, Mr. Sen suggested that we also have a moment of silence for Afghan victims. Reasonable request right? The administration declined, saying we were a "politically neutral" school. Politically neutral my ass... Debate all you want, kid, all odds are against you. -Anlam Kuyusu

Your comment about diapers were not directed at me, because I was not the one making the comment about MUN to begin with. Still, you may resume your personal attacks. Your style of arguments shows what kind of a person you are anyway. Yes, Koc education (? in your terminology) was a total waste for you. Education is not all fact-memorization; it includes manners. And learning manners is NOT molding personality. I wish you could compare Koc and other schools in terms of flexibility of rules - Koc's disciplinary agenda vs. MEB's rules. Maybe Koc may not have the education you would like to have because basically it can't do that. On the other hand, it is a simple premise of wiki that an argument which does not have any verifiability in terms of wiki's standards should not be put into a neutral article. Moreover, Fusun Ersoy's views do not necessarily reflect Koc's mission and vision at all times. I was merely pointing out to you that your argument lacks concrete evidence (still does -- though I am not saying it is not true.) I wonder: You were 50 years old when I had diapers, right, 'kid'? "Akil yasta degil bastadir" 9/11 attacks and US invasion are NOT the same. I assume you understand that one is a terrorist attack. Do YOU know which one by any chance? My last question: What odds? Oguzhan Atay

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