Talk:Ko-Shintō

Naming/Move?
According to the manual of style on Japanese articles, shouldn't this be moved to Kōshinto? I don't think there's really a need for the hyphen, or the (Jomon) after it. Please discuss weather or not we should move this article, thanks. AMorozov (talk) 00:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think we should remove all of this article, "Ko-shinto" actually means "Shinto before the Asuka period", it also includes beliefs during the Yayoi period to the Kofun period. The current article about Ko-shinto is completely wrong. --Matur (talk) 09:26, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, time is not really the factor here. Kōshinto is actually defined by setting it apart from shrine shinto and state shinto of the Meiji period.  Despite the name it is really about the underlying beliefs of Shinto when one looks beneath the rituals and ceremonies.  I agree this article is poorly written and reflects little of the actual scholarship on Kōshinto, but I only raised a naming issue to conform the title with WP:MOS-JP. AMorozov (talk) 11:16, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * 古神道 is read Koshintō, not *Kōshintō. No strong opinion regarding the hyphen. Jomon should be Jōmon, but is not absolutely necessarily since the topic is about pre-6th century Shintō; regardless, another term for it is Jōmon Shintō. BTW, I agree with Matur; this is an extremely poor article. Bendono (talk) 11:39, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, you are right, it is Koshintō. I have not really seen it called Jōmon Shintō in most English or Japanese literature on the subject though, it is usually Koshintō.  At the moment, this article is without structure and seems to be all over the place, but let us settle on the title first.  I will now move this article to Koshintō, please comment here if there are any more naming issues.AMorozov (talk) 18:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Update - I screwed up :( Accidentally included quotation marks, and it turns out Koshintō is already a redirect page.  Going to ask a mod for help now. AMorozov (talk) 18:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Lion dances and lion/dog statues
They were introduced from continental Asia so they should not be considered as koshinto. (There were no lions in ancient Japan!) --Countakeshi (talk) 12:18, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

The equation of the Ancient Japanese belief-system with the modern Ainu belief system sounds suspect to me. Is it actually supported by the sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Furius (talk • contribs) 06:46, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

This article in its current state is just awful. While some Ainu practices could be linked to the foundation of Shinto, most of the article is not really about pre-Shinto beliefs. There is much to be said on the subject, and I was hoping someone would come along and clean this up. This has not been the case so far, and I might have to do it in the future. ~ A Morozov  &#9001;talk&#9002; 07:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Sources?
Can anyone find a source for Koshintō that is not Yamakage or a roleplaying game site? Is Koshintō generally accepted by scholars as its own category (seperate from shrine, sect, and folk shinto, according to Wikipedia's article on Shinto) and do we have sources to site about this? If Koshintō is just shinto before the influence of the continent, then shouldn't we just cover it in the history section of the Shinto article? I really think this article should be deleted. It is doing damage by being left up. Please, what are other's opinions.221.23.238.148 (talk) 10:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * It's in the Japanese Britannica and there are a number of references given in the corresponding Japanese article. As for the article itself, it is extremely poor, but then again so is Shintō. Bendono (talk) 10:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay. I still sort of think this article is damaging, but I don't know enough about it to make a judgement.221.23.238.148 (talk) 05:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Show a original source of information.
Ten thousand years ago the Jomon people inhabited the Japanese Archipelago. About 2,500 years ago the Yayoi people came from the Chinese continent. The two cultures mixed in the archipelago and the amalgamation of local Ko-Shinto (ancient Shinto) and the imported traditions, strongly influenced by Chinese Taoism, resulted in the earliest Japanese Shinto sometimes called "Pure Shinto". The Ezo people (who were pure Jomon people) were displaced to the North (Hokkaid?) and the South (Ryukyu). Ko-Shinto kept its identity as a belief system in the North where the Ainu kept their racial identity and also in the South, as was detailed in the 1605 anthropological work Ryukyu shinto-ki ("Account of Local Religion [Shinto] in Ryukyu"). "Pure Shinto" was influenced later by Buddhism and Confucianism and over time developed into today's Shinto. Some kokugakushu ("nativists") have tried to recover the Shinto religion, as practiced originally, from fragmentary texts and isolated popular religious practices.

Where did this source of information bring it from? Is the source of information rumor in the Internet? 211.122.192.202 (talk) 13:39, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

Why was most of this article's content deleted?
Recently, the content of this entire article was rapidly deleted and replaced with new content, without any kind of peer review process to guide this decision. I wish this decision hadn't been made so hastily - will the deleted content be restored, so that its validity can be reviewed? Jarble (talk) 00:54, 28 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I also noticed that all of this article's references and sources were removed in the same revision - was it really necessary to remove every single source that has been given in this article over the last 3 years, or should these sources be restored? Some of these sources appeared to contain useful information about the relationship between Shinto religious practices and Ainu mythology, but all of these claims were removed in the same revision that deleted this article's content. Jarble (talk) 01:01, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


 * Looks like it was modified because of lack of sources. Regardless of your next move, it would be best to gather some cites. Kortoso (talk) 21:42, 9 September 2013 (UTC)

Move back from Ko-Shinto to Koshinto
The article was recently renamed from "Koshinto" to "Ko-Shinto" without discussion by. I think that it should be reverted to the previous title, since the separation of concepts is not a convention in Japanese characters' translation. Moreover, the unsplitted form "Koshinto" is found in virtually all of the published literature about the subject.--87.2.113.191 (talk) 12:48, 30 July 2017 (UTC)