Talk:Kobe Bryant/Archive 3

Incorrect statement concerning Kobe Bryants trial
Under the 04-05 season, it incorrectly states that Kobe Bryant was convicted guilty of rape. Loyolacub68 (talk) 21:43, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect statement concerning his 05-06 scoring average.
The article states the following:

Bryant won the league's scoring title for the first time, posting a very high scoring average (49.7), second only to Michael Jordan's 37.1 average in 1986-87. He is one of the top 5 players in the NBA. Kobe Bryant attended Maasai Institute High School, Kobe was coached under Mr. Fulkner (James Fulkner), Mr. Pointer (Jose Pointer), Mr.Whyte (David Whyte)

This is incorrect.

Here is the top 10 of all-time scorers, as referenced by NBA.COM during the 05-06 scoring race. Clearly notable, Kobe's average is 8th of all time, individually, fourth all time behind Wilt Chamberlain, Michael Jordan and Rick Barry.

http://www.nba.com/features/scoring_race_0506.html

It might also be worth mentioning that in 1961-62, Elgin Baylor managed to average 38.3 Points Per Game, but only played 48 games. The requirement to win the scorers title for a season is a minimum of 70 games played. He played a total of 102 high- school games at Maasia Intitute High School. 93-96, Kobe Bryant and Mr. Kalabula was teammates, but know Kobe Bryant plays for the Los Angeles Lakers but is thinking about returning back to Maasai Institute High School.

58.166.242.15 07:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)Ryan

Citation Needed
Does anyone have a reference for Kobe's trade demand from the Hornets in 1996? I thought Jerry West simply traded for him. I don't think Kobe demanded the trade. C5mjohn (talk) 03:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there any proof confirming that his middle name is in fact "Bean?" To the best of my knowledge, Kobe doesn't have a middle name. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.169.242.155 (talk) 19:41, 24 January 2008 (UTC) bryant is as of right now the best player in the nba —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.89.171.175 (talk) 06:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC) Kobe Bryant does infact have a middle name and it is Bean. He was given this because his father's nickname is "Jellybean". In the Sexual Assult case against Bryant his name was stated as Kobe Bean Bryant —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.75.97.150 (talk) 21:46, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Old Kobe Bryant Wiki article (before it was recently changed to not include Kobe demanding to be traded to the Lakers upon being drafted by the Charlotte Hornets.

http://www.bballone.com/kobeb/kobebryantbio.html --  1996 NBA Draft   - Before he was chosen as the 13th overall draft pick by the Charlotte Hornets in 1996, the 17-year-old Bryant had made a lasting impression on then-Lakers general manager Jerry West, who immediately foresaw potential in Bryant's basketball ability during pre-draft workouts. He went on to state that Bryant's workouts were some of the best he had seen. Immediately after the draft, Bryant expressed that he did not wish to play for the Hornets and wanted to play for the Lakers instead. Fifteen days later, West traded his starting center, Vlade Divac to the Hornets for the young Kobe Bryant.

Just to add some more credible references on Kobe demanding to be a Laker (NY Times and Sports Illustrated):

http://select.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://select.nytimes.com/2007/06/29/sports/29roberts.html&OQ=_rQ3D2Q26refQ3DsportsQ26orefQ3Dslogin&OP=56e94df7Q2FQ5CodEQ5Cj4Q3A11jQ5CiGG!Q5CGvQ5CipQ5C471Q3Aj4Q5CipQ3A1EdQ3Aj46Q51jQ7Ck

Bryant foreshadowed his gall. In 1996, Bryant, a teenager exiting high school for the N.B.A., was not the first pick, but he exuded self-importance when he refused to play anywhere but Hollywood.

With the 13th selection, with a deal to trade Bryant to Los Angeles in pocket, Charlotte chose him. But there was a point where it looked as if the Lakers’ Vlade Divac would retire rather than take part in a trade that would send him to Charlotte for Bryant.

Couldn’t Bryant be a Hornet? Could he grow to love Southern sweet tea?

“That is an impossibility,” Bryant’s agent, Arn Tellem, said at the time. “There are no ifs. It would not happen. He is going to be a Laker, and that’s the only team he’s playing for.”

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/news/2001/05/26/sayitaintso_lakers/ We know there are some 5-year-olds who will think we're crazy for saying this, but wasn't it a bummer the day the Lakers traded good old Vlade?

Of course, history will remember it differently.

But at the time, it stank of a high school kid declaring his dream to play in the NBA ... but only for the Lakers. Bryant basically strong-armed his way out of Charlotte instead of thanking the Hornets for spending a 13th overall pick on a teenager. He seemed to be giving off a vibe that only a city like L.A. was big enough to hold him.

Who knew he'd be right?

20,000 Pts Inaccuracy
In the current Kobe Bryant article, the 1st paragraph ends with the following statement:

"In January 2006, Kobe Bryant scored an all-time high of 81 points against the Toronto Raptors, The second highest number of points ever scored in an NBA game. Bryant, also remains one of the youngest players in NBA history to reach 20,000 Career points."

The 1st thing i would like to comment about is the capital letter "T" in the "The second highest..." sentence. That "t" should be a small one, as in "the second highest..."

More importantly is that the next sentence in that paragraph is inaccurate. It states that "Bryant, also remains one of the youngest players in NBA history to reach 20,000 Career points.", which is not true.

I recommend it to be changed to:

"On Sunday, December 23, 2007, Kobe Bryant became the youngest player in NBA history to reach 20,000 career points."

Reference: http://myespn.go.com/s/conversations/show/story/3167021

--Hawiveli (talk) 23:35, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


 * That was something that some fan altered, minor case of vandalism really. Don't worry, the original content of the article has been restored.A fine point (talk) 03:44, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

2007-08 season
in discussing one of "the most lopsided trades ever" they misspelled javaris cittenton...there should be an 'r' in between the 'c' and 'i' in his last name....should read Javaris Crittenton

Lakersfankb81 (talk) 20:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)lakersfankb81

Kobe's nickname
It is my understanding that Kobe's nickname is "Yao Ming is way better than I am".Chewrockan (talk) 21:23, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

kobe intro paragraph
Could someone, please clean up this article. I find many repeats over and over again. Dwilso (talk) 10:37, 8 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Could you be a little more specific as to what you want cleaned up. Or you could clean up the article yourself by removing the content you think is repeated and explain why it does not belong.   Jons63 (talk) 13:15, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Orin M —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sexyblackie (talk • contribs) 16:51, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

What are not awards
Yao Ming should get all the awards since he is the greatest basketball player their ever will be so Kobe shouldnt win any awards.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Illadelph halflife (talk • contribs) 18:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

i believe that lebron has recently become the youngest player to reach 20,000 points-younger than kobe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.17.89.133 (talk) 23:02, 12 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No, lebron is the youngest person to reach 10,000. Lebron has only 12,000ish points as of yet. 69.148.158.112 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:49, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

2007-2008 Season and MVP Section
I think the 2007-2008 season should be made more current. There is mention of the drama that happened before the season started but nothing about how he has made his teammates better this season and how he has led the Lakers to the top of the tough Western Conference and a championship contender.

I also think there should be an MVP section mentioning how Kobe hasn't won the MVP award for the NBA, despite his amazing years in 05-06 and 06-07 and other accomplishments. It should also mention how he and Chris Paul are the leading candidates for the award this year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.177.84.77 (talk) 10:10, 11 April 2008 (UTC)


 * There is no need for a section controversy section for the mvp titles not going to him, nor is there a need for a 2007-2008 season as its already on Los Angeles Lakers. 69.148.158.112 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 05:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Edits
Could someone please remove the "rape case" from the article, and all the other "Negative information" that seems to abound this article. Dwilso 21:33, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wiki articles should remain unbiased and factual. The mentions in the article are factual and fairly well documented.  Wikipedians should strive to be as neutral as possible and present information without biases.  You may want to read more on Writing better articles, Lead section,and The perfect article. Zodiiak (talk) 21:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No, I was talking about the lede paragraph, when it mentioned the rape case that never really happened.  Dwilso  22:30, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I guess this is the part you are talking about:
 * In 2003, Bryant made headlines when he was accused of sexual assault. The charges were dropped after Bryant's accuser declined to testify, and the two sides ultimately settled the matter outside of criminal court.
 * What part of that never really happened? Jons63 (talk) 22:59, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, but apparently the judge threw out the case for lack of evidence.  Dwilso  23:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The case was never "thrown out" by a judge. The case was dropped by prosecutors during jury selection after the accuser refused to testify (for a variety of reasons). However, the entire event happened and was a widely discussed controversy in 2003. One of the defining factors about a concise Lead section is to "briefly describe its notable controversies."  If the entire sexual assault allegation isn't a notable controversy in Kobe Bryant's life, I don't know what it is. Zodiiak (talk) 23:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I modified the lede to include the info about the judge dismissing the case vs the charges being dropped, as stated in section about case. Jons63 (talk) 23:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Aston Martin Jump
Why hasn't anyone put that in the article. That has been talked about a lot lately, and deserves atleast a mention. —Preceding unsigned comment added by D1291 (talk • contribs) 18:51, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding an external link
I am trying to get permission to qualify my website as one of the external links in Kobe Bryant's wiki page. I feel it is very relative to the subject and hope you guys can approve it? Thank you. Deucextre (talk) 08:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has a strong policy on what can and cannot be added as an external link. Generally, it's sponsored sites which do not infringe on copyrights and are notable/reputable (espn, nba.com, etc.).  Please review here.  Also, I've removed your website from here because it can be viewed as advertising on Wikipedia, which violates another policy.  Thanks.  Zodiiak (talk) 16:43, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Kobe bryant faced many sexual assult charges, but many didn't know about the cases charged against him at the young age of 16, when he allegidly raped 3 young boys, questioning his future basketball career. Eventually, he faced the courts and underwent 4 years of community service, and 1 year of juvy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.224.184.111 (talk) 02:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you drunk? The colorado case was the 1st instance in which Kobe Bryant had even been interviewed by the Police. The guy doesn't even get parking tickets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.41.153 (talk) 19:55, 3 May 2008 (UTC)