Talk:Kobe child murders

Biography assessment rating comment
WikiProject Biography Assessment

Inline citations and maybe an infobox, and this could be a B.

The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 12:01, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Article merger
Propose that the two articles Sakakibara and Jun Hase be merged. With the article on the murdered child being a stub, at the age he was killed, all the information that was relevant about his life has already been entered into the article, and it will likely never expand beyond that. Additionally, there is a precedent for the merger: the Satomi Mitarai article has already been merged into the Nevada-tan article for the same reasons.--Mitsukai 14:26, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Merged as of this date.--み使い Mitsukai 22:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Names of Sakakibara and Nevada-tan
As per Divulging personal details and Biographies of living persons, the names should be left out of the article. Please ensure that these standards are adhered to.--み使い Mitsukai 14:10, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * This seems to still be in question, as the removal of Sakakibara's real name's been reverted twice. User:Liu Bei asserted that the two documents referenced above do not constitute WP policy - of these, he is correct that the 'Divulging personal details' article is explicitly stated to not be an active policy proposal.  The other cited document, 'Biographies of living persons', is not a "policy" de jure, but is considered a 'guideline', and in that document it gives the following points:
 * "Any assertion in a biography of a living person that might be defamatory if untrue must be sourced. Without reliable third-party sources, a biography will violate No original research and Verifiability, and could lead to libel claims." The real name of a past convicted murderer, who has since been released from custody and is a free man according to this article, and whose identity was deliberately concealed by the Japanese government - by law, can certainly be considered 'defamatory'.  This leads us to the second point, that the point must be sourced.  The source currently given - http://www.taconet.com.tw/AdTaconet/-288fbc553e26ead545a80d32dee4fe7a|1147595179-/dynamic_frame.htm?sid=nec007/sakakibara.htm&TACO=288fbc553e26ead545a80d32dee4fe7a|1147595179 - currently returns an "Access denied" error with some Chinese text I can't read.  Therefore, at present, it is unsourced, and it either needs to be removed or a new reliable source referenced.
 * Secondly, the guideline also cites a "presumption in favor of privacy".
 * Thirdly, as was pointed out on Talk:Nevada-tan, divulging the name may be in violation of Japanese law (whether this is relevant to Wikipedia is another discussion, and the source of some debate there).
 * I have not made this edit, in the interest of not starting an edit war - feel free to leave me a comment on my talk page if you want to further discuss this, or here.
 * UOSSReiska 17:28, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * After a little further consideration, I changed my mind, and decided it was probably 'safer' to leave it out for now until an updated source can be found. Let it be on the record, though, that I have no meaningful objections to the name being included *if* a source does exist. ... but someone got to it before I did while I was writing this comment.  Heh. UOSSReiska 17:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Move to Sakakibara (something)
This probably needs to be changed to Sakakibara (murderer) or some such as Sakakibara itself is a fairly common Japanese surname and is needed seperate for disambiguation purposes. Williamb 12:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right It really should be titled Sakakibara Seito. Hill of Beans (talk) 23:53, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Hikikomori section is inaccurate
A Hikikomori is somebody who has withdrawn completely from social interaction and the outside world, preferring to spend their time watching videos, reading books, surfing the internet, pretty much anything other than being outside of their room where they might have to actually interact with others. There's an enormous difference between somebody whose fear and anxiety leads them to lock themselves in their room and avoid social contact (anti-social), and somebody who derives pleasure from hurting others (sociopath).

A quick read over the linked wiki article:Hikikomori doesn't mention any of Sakakibara's behavioral "cues". As for this article, neither the section labelled Hikikomori, nor the attached source material mention any of these factors. Assigning the same label to everybody who is socially maladjusted is out of line and certainly out of place in an information resource like this Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by I plissken (talk • contribs) 06:03, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Info box
Can't fix the info box to show contents. Anyone? Manytexts (talk) 23:41, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It should work now. Von Restorff (talk) 20:53, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

Name
Should we include his name or not? Von Restorff (talk) 20:56, 15 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Only if you can find it in a reliable source. JFHJr (㊟) 23:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Move
I've moved this article to make it one about the event; cf. WP:BLP1E/WP:1E, also the Japanese Wikipedia entry. See also the related discussion at WP:BLPN (or its archive, after a few days). Cheers! JFHJr (㊟) 23:31, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Bamoidokishin?
What is that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.238.154.199 (talk) 07:40, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

So I've spent a little time looking this up today. Looks like the name rendered here as "Bamoidōkishin" is "バモイドオキ神" in Japanese. That kanjii at the end, 神, is read as "shin" or "kami", meaning "god". So you'll see the name rendered "Bamoidoki-God" or "God Bamoidoki" in various places. I found a couple assertions that Bamoidōki-Shin was a "Buddhist spirit" portrayed as a "floating Buddha head" with a swastika on its face, which had supposedly been associated with Nazism due to that feature (which seems wildly unlikely, given what Swastikas mean in Japan), and which appeared in Japanese cartoons and comics. I haven't been able to find any evidence of such a character outside of references to this case. Instead, it looks like "Boy A" made this entity up himself, wrote about it extensively in his diary, and possibly drew a picture of it (which seems to be where the "floating Buddha head" idea came from). 38.98.169.38 (talk) 22:56, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

3rd example about Boy A
it doesnt make all that much sense to say its a reasoning for him to possibly be innocent. just because he had bad grades doesnt mean he wasnt smart. he could have just not liked school or something. theres tons of very smart people but dont do well in school because they dont like it 67.242.2.43 (talk) 17:32, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

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Discussion of of Letters - Encrypted Statements Discovered
It should be noted that very little is mentioned of the cryptic nature of the letters that were mailed to police including the one that was made in English, in a font that was styled to appear similar to a marketing font in Greek-ish, seriously detracting from the claim that he wrote the letters.

It should also be noted that the letters written in Japanese were not a clear match in any manner based on the handwriting examinations in reference to the other in English, and that they used a combination of all three styles of writing instead of being of a either classical or modern use, showing that during the composition made from an English-speaking origin, that some words were not able to be found to be translated, so others were chosen in their place, without any traditional influences maintained in the use of a logical composition. This can be confirmed by a more thorough examination from a Japanese language scholar and examples can be cited.

These are intentional uses of alternative words that were compiled and are professionally sourced using a textbook or Japanese-English dictionary, with the unlikelyhood that they were made by a 14yo boy in school, without a suitable mastery of the language to be able to produce such a combination while expecting to be understood by authorities. This sort of examination and comparison is basic forensic technique and is a simple way to find flaw in the declarations made against him, with consideration of the number of other oddities of the letters.

Likewise there were additional discoveries of physical ciphers inside of the letters, in which documentation is being provided as a reference, if needed, that there is no way he would have the skill or knowledge of the type of encryptions that were found, nor access to the content/ that was encrypted. The content found encrypted relates to prototype technologies being developed in Japan at the time for TVs, as well as for the information that is found matched in the "Kryptos" Art Installation at Langley, at the CIAs Headquarters. Additionally there is a discussion of the creation of a type of "Slow Kill" effect from their use of a specific technical frequency and type of wavelength development added to their formats.

I invite you to take consideration of these new discoveries and allow for the examinations of them to be made by professional cryptographers that are aware of these systems of concealment and the ability to identify traits in them that reveal the author of the letters. /SeitoSakakibara on FB is being built to examine the whole of the affair and will be updated as they are made. 2600:1011:B323:2ABE:D19F:7250:308C:359F (talk) 06:41, 16 January 2024 (UTC)