Talk:Koda Kumi/Archive 3

The IPs are right....
Quote Rhythm Zone, the label Koda is signed to... Rhythm Zone is a record label in the Avex records group which releases all kinds of urban contemporary Japanese music.

Then, she technically does J-Urban, otherwise she'd be signed to Avex Trax or something else. Luigi6138 (talk) 02:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Encyclopedia not News article
Seriously, this isn't a news article, everything should be in past or present tense or not added at all.

Nobody takes any effort to change it once the even happens.

I had to go as far back as ~Black Cherry Era~ and fix that.69.215.155.4 (talk) 23:23, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Nakai x Kumi
Due to the fact that these pictures have yet to surface, it is still considered speculation and cannot be confirmed. Therefore, I have removed it.64.62.138.101 (talk) 14:35, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Statement
There is nothing claiming the problem happened due to Kansai dialect in the original (english) article [13] nor it is in any japanese article or news even in the apology press conference she held on 8th. I have to consider it as POV and damage healing from some fan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 221.133.116.70 (talk) 05:20, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Koda Kumi vs. Kumi Koda
We have all heard this before, put I would like to input my thoughts on the matter.

I believe that the article should be "Koda Kumi" rather than "Kumi Koda" because that is her stage name. If it were her real name as the title I would have no problems with "Kumiko Kouda" but "Koda Kumi" is what is printed on of her albums and singles. The Utada Hikaru page her last name listed first because that is what she goes by on stage.

So thats what I think, what are your thoughts? Blue embers (talk) 21:24, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Seconded, for the stated reasons. Putting Japanese names in the English order is fine, but this isn't actually her proper name. My view is that it should either be renamed so it is her actual name or be changed to the stage name in the proper order. Of course we could always go with the google test if anyone wanted - 1,350,000 for "koda kumi" vs. 279,000 for "kumi koda". RatherJovialTim (talk) 10:43, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia has policies on Japanese articles that have been decided after long discussion between knowledgable people. As these policies have already been decided it is not appropriate to make decisions on a case by case situation. I doubt you will be able to change these policies. Brettr (talk) 13:32, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

WP:MOS-JA says that the names of post-Meiji persons are to be written {First} {Last}. There is no special recognition for "stage names," and frankly I don't think it's a distinction worth making. Google hits are not a good enough reason to make an exception just for this one individual. -Amake (talk) 13:44, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Clean up
This article needs a clean up really bad. It's very unorganize and everything just seem to jumble together into one in comparison to the article of Utada Hikaru. 206.40.103.36 (talk) 03:22, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Please tidy this up, it is incredibly disorganized and looks like a complete mess. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 167.206.248.12 (talk) 13:42, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, Utada's article looks quite messy. (This article looks fine.) P.S.: be bold! If you've got an issue with either article, why not DIY? Ink Runner (talk) 19:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

GA Nomination?
Does this article look like it's ready for a Good Article nomination? ( Moon ) and  ( Sunrise ) 06:35, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Archiving web links
Since this article uses a lot of web citations, I would recommend archiving them at Webcite or Archive.org in case they go dead. Ink Runner (talk) 22:44, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Driving Hits
Why do you keep on deleting the name "Driving Hits" from the compilation list? Yet you leave "Out Works & Collaboration Best"? "Driving Hits" is a compilation too, so stop deleting it from that list. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.162.144 (talk) 15:54, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Driving Hit's is a remix album, not a compilation album. There is a big difference between the two. Moon   and   Sunrise  19:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Its a compilation in a sense that its a collection of remixes, so youre going to tell me that under all of her albums "Driving Hits" is going to be non-existent? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.44.162.144 (talk) 14:29, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * How is it non-existent when the album is mentioned in the article? Yeah, It's a collection of remixes making it a remix album. Moon   and   Sunrise  15:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It is a remix album in the sense that all of the songs are mixed together to create a continuous music track. It is not just an assortment of remixes.128.172.204.174 (talk) 02:54, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

New Sub Category In Biography
The "2007 - Present" is becoming too long...we should start a new sub category including her time from promoting "Trick," which would be the time right after her "controversy" and her "Kingdom Tour." Please let us create a new sub category to make it more organized? Id do it myself, but people keep on deleting everything on this page and making it more sloppy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Framos1987 (talk • contribs) 15:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There is nothing wrong with the length of the "2007 - present" section. As for her promoting Trick, that should go into Trick's page under a section that says promotion. Moon   and   Sunrise  16:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm two months late to the party, but there actually isn't anything wrong with the "2007 - Present" section. A word count says the section prior to it (2005/2006) has 745 words, while the one we're looking at only clocks in at 632. It's all referenced and well-written, so I don't see why we have a need to trim it, at least not now. ★ Dasani ★ 01:58, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Free image + Inconsistency?
There's a free image of Koda, why isn't it used? Also, the article says "On December 1, the date of her debut in the music industry" but her debut single was released on Dec. 6? Ink Runner (talk) 05:31, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the flickr page under Other Information it says "All Rights Reserved". So I didn't add it just to be safe. Changed. ~Moon~ 月 と  日の出  ~Sunrise~ 14:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the person who uploaded the image to WP appears to be the same person from Flickr. I'll contact him through Flickr mail to see if it's okay to use the picture. Ink Runner (talk) 17:17, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you are able to reach him ask him to change the rights for the image, you know to be safe. ~Moon~ 月  と  日の出  ~Sunrise~ 18:06, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

The last single that Koda has released is Alive/physical thing, so why do the information about that release is always being deleted? Besides, the Koda last tour have been also released and when I put information about Alive or the tour I see later that it's deleted. If there is something that is written badly then change it, but not delete it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.39.162.221 (talk) 18:31, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Blue Man Group
In -07 she made guest appearance with Blue Man Group (REMOVE WP:COPYVIO LINK). Worth mentioning?--Loxus (talk) 07:00, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Many artists make appearances as guests in other artists concerts, but that doesn't make it worth mentioning. MS   (Talk | Contributions)  13:36, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Page Name?
Could someone please explain why the article is called "Kumi Koda", when she is know as "Koda Kumi?" - Even her official website uses Koda Kumi. As per Wikipedia's guideline, WP:COMMONNAME, I believe this article should be renamed to Koda Kumi. 86.146.157.202 (talk) 22:24, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It is still the same name, only the order is different. MOS:J, says that for all Japanese articles we use the Western order, first name followed by surname. 夢  追人  YumeChaser 00:25, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * What about WP:TITLE which says to use the most commonly used name? (i.e. "Bill Clinton", not "William Clinton") - Would this not mean "Koda Kumi" instead of "Kumi Koda"?  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.90.14 (talk) 12:41, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree. Most Japanese articles conform to both rules: common romanised name IS Western order, such as Namie Amuro which I've only rarely seen as "Amuro Namie" (i.e. romanised but in Japanese order). Equally, I've rarely seen "Kumi Koda" except on a few sources (Avex China was one). I think here WP:COMMONNAME trumps MOS:J, because to follow the more case-specific rule of MOS:J you have to break the Wikipedia-wide rule of COMMONNAME. Also that aspect of MOS:J is "up for discussion" though I can't find it. - Estoy Aquí (talk) 11:36, 16 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it should be changed to Koda Kumi. You never see "Kumi Koda" anywhere on her CDs or promos or anything! The page name should reflect the most commonly used way to say her name. Besides, it flows better on the tongue! ^_^ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.249.157.168 (talk) 04:34, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Moving article from "Kumi Koda" to "Koda Kumi"

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The result of the move request was: Move to Koda Kumi - Per Wikipedia's article title policy about common names. Neelix (talk) 21:24, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Kumi Koda → Koda Kumi – Kumi Koda → Koda Kumi — As per WP:COMMONNAME.
 * Koda Kumi is better. --Duphin (talk) 05:58, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree, Koda Kumi is the more common of the two. (Brent.austin (talk) 08:54, 6 April 2011 (UTC))


 * Oppose per WP:MOS-JA. Darth Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 05:24, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

The order of the given name and surname is not what "COMMONNAME" covers. It covers the most common name someone has, like "Bill Clinton" over "William Jefferson Clinton". WP:MOS-JA states that the Western order should be used for all modern figures. Just because "Koda Kumi" is used exclusively by her record label does not mean that it is automatically the most common name.— Ryūlóng ( 竜龙 ) 01:21, 7 April 2011 (UTC)
 * COMMONNAME covers exactly what it says it does, the common name. And of course Avex using it doesn't mean it's the most common. But it is - Estoy Aquí (talk) 00:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Support The most common name is "Koda Kumi" and WP:COMMONNAME policy indicates the common name should be used. WP:MOS-JA is a guideline, and should be followed to the extent that it is consistent with Wikipedia policy.  However, in this case, for this article, it is inconsistent and policy trumps the guideline.  A hatnote  will make clear which name is the surname. Actually, it's worth including the hatnote in any event. TJRC (talk) 19:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)


 * "no" http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/倖田來未 says 英語表記はKumi Koda.=> Her English name is Kumi Koda. The uses of "Koda Kumi" in Japan are intended for a Japanese audience who will understand that it is "fashionable" to use English letters, but they will no be confused about which is the surname. Reputable sources for English readers such as Japan Today use Kumi Koda (http://www.japantoday.com/category/entertainment/view/kumi-koda-talks-love-on-last-date-of-mini-tour). QuentinUK (talk) 16:27, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Reputable sources don't count as more "common" which is the key criteria for article names. - Estoy Aquí (talk) 00:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Support WP:COMMONNAME as a Wikipedia-wide policy is more important than Japanese-specific rules. Most counterarguments I've seen are supported only by some philosophical argument or by MOS-J which I don't think trumps COMMONNAME. (By the way is this officially listed to be moved, given it hasn't been closed yet?) - Estoy Aquí (talk) 00:29, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Her name, correctly translated, is "Kumi Koda". Whereas her stage name is "Koda Kumi". I believe someone said that this should not count for much as only her record label uses "Koda Kumi", I personally feel that is inaccurate as I have seen "Koda Kumi" used much more frequently, however, her record label is responsible for publishing and marketing her, and they use "Koda Kumi", therefore that is her stage name. Wikipedia's guidelines for naming articles state that music artists articles should use that persons common name, i.e. their stage name, and that Japanese people should have their articles name using the correct translation, e.g. Kumi Koda. Therefore, this article should be named "Koda Kumi", as she is primarally a music artist. However, if she was/is not a music artist, her article should then be renamed to "Kumi Koda". It's all there in the guidelines. :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.79.135 (talk) 20:37, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Support. I would like to comment from an objectionable and purely factual point of view.


 * Support - as per reasons already given. Boneyard90 (talk) 01:35, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
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Track Titles?
In the Japanese music industry, when titles of CDs or tracks are in all CAPS, all lowercase or has special characters, they're meant to be that way, but this article never allows them. They even appear that way on Koda Kumi's main website and all sites that sell her paraphernalia. I've tried correcting them multiple times, but it's constantly reverted.98.25.216.57 (talk) 14:05, 20 March 2012 (UTC)


 * That's not the style followed on the English Wikipedia. See Manual of Style/Japan-related articles. TJRC (talk) 15:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Then it's delivering inaccurate information to the public. 98.25.216.57 (talk) 03:18, 24 March 2012 (UTC)


 * It's an interesting argument, but you're making it in the wrong place. Unless you can provide a good reason why this article is special and should not follow that guideline, your case should be made to change the guideline instead of trying to change this article. TJRC (talk) 17:23, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Large genre list
Koda's in a ridiculous number of genres. Can we simplify this list?


 * Pop
 * R&B - iTunes classifies her album as this.
 * J-Pop - plenty of news articles support this

The following genres after here need verification:
 * House
 * Drum and Bass
 * Breakcore
 * Rock - um yeah that's vague
 * Urban
 * Electronic Dance
 * Electropop
 * Soul
 * Hip Hop
 * Dubstep
 * Hi-NRG
 * Techno

If one of her songs is remixed by someone else for a genre, does that mean she is of that genre? She has a song called Color of Soul; does that mean she's a soul singer? AngusWOOF (talk) 21:28, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Requested move 2013

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The result of the move request was: move to Kumi Koda per WP:MOS-JA and WP:COMMONNAME (in reliable sources). ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 22:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC) ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 22:46, 25 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Okay, I think I've moved all of them other than the categories. Those will be listed for speedy renaming in a few minutes. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 23:50, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Koda Kumi → Kumi Koda – The move two years ago was contra to the prevailing consensus at WP:MOS-JA that modern individuals should be known by the western order of their names. WP:COMMONNAME was also cited, but "Kumi Koda" is the form that prevails in English language reliable sources whereas "Koda Kumi" is only preferred by English speaking fans because they do not prefer the Western order. Based on the poor precedent set two years ago, the English Wikipedia is also the only project that uses the Latin alphabet that has the article at this title, so we should at best match the other projects' precedents as well. Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 10:26, 18 March 2013 (UTC) — Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 15:31, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

This move will also affect the various album and single articles, templates, and categories that use "Koda Kumi" as well. I will list them below:


 * So into You (Koda Kumi song)
 * Maze (Koda Kumi song)
 * Come with Me (Koda Kumi song)
 * Hot Stuff (Koda Kumi song)
 * Hands (Koda Kumi song)
 * Kiseki (Koda Kumi song)
 * Chase (Koda Kumi song)
 * Butterfly (Koda Kumi song)
 * Flower (Koda Kumi song)
 * You (Koda Kumi song)
 * Shake It Up (Koda Kumi song)
 * Lies (Koda Kumi song)
 * Feel (Koda Kumi song)
 * Candy (Koda Kumi song)
 * Anytime (Koda Kumi song)
 * Ai no Uta (Koda Kumi song)
 * Taboo (Koda Kumi song)
 * Stay with Me (Koda Kumi song)
 * Get It On (Koda Kumi song)
 * Affection (Koda Kumi album)
 * Secret (Koda Kumi album)
 * Black Cherry (Koda Kumi album)
 * Dejavu (Koda Kumi album)
 * Koda Kumi discography
 * Template:Koda Kumi
 * Template:Koda Kumi singles
 * Category:Koda Kumi songs
 * Category:Koda Kumi albums
 * Category:Koda Kumi live albums
 * Category:Koda Kumi video albums

— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 15:39, 20 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Oppose for now I don't actually care one way or the other, but when I brought up a relevant problem with WP:MOS-JA Ryulong said that this article had set a precedent that made my concern irrelevant. There is a bigger issue here, in that the relevant guideline is broken. Ryulong told me it doesn't need to be fixed because this article's title meant that if a modern individual is primarily known by a pseudonym in Japanese order, we should use the pseudonym in that order. While this article can reasonably go either way (under other circumstances I would actually support the move to ), other articles such as Edogawa Rampo need to be recognized as exceptions. Fixing WP:MOS-JA's guideline for Japanese pseudonyms is more pressing; this RM is comparatively meaningless. elvenscout742 (talk) 13:36, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Stop violating WP:POINT and strike out this "vote".— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 14:09, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Support I opposed above because of the problematic nature of the timing of this RM. I proposed a fix for the MOS, and Ryulong said that it doesn't need to be fixed. I pointed out the specific place where there was a problem (the RM directly stated the opposite of the current policy, a policy that Ryulong didn't seem to oppose). Ryulong said that this article being at Koda Kumi meant we didn't need to worry about what the MOS said, but then came here and RMed the article. I did not mean to violate WP:POINT by opposing the move under these circumstances; it seemed reasonable that since the nom had used this page's current title as a reason not to fix the MOS, then either MOS needed to be fixed first, or the page should not be moved. Ryulong has since fixed the relevant part of MOSJ, so my reason for opposing is now void. Therefore, I now support the move. elvenscout742 (talk) 00:30, 25 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Support. As per WP:MOS-JA. I was always bemused as to why this article was probably the only one for a modern Japanese person outside the sumo world not to use the standard name order clearly widely used in the mainstream western press. --DAJF (talk) 12:57, 25 February 2013 (UTC)


 * It helps that her stage name is an abbreviation of her given name, even though Eastern convention is used on her albums as with Hikaru Utada. I have yet to see the media articles where she is cross-marketed to the English language besides examples like the original post. -okay I found one: Ushicon 3 poster

AngusWOOF (talk) 17:11, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I'm puzzled as to why editors at Japanese articles have this bizarre local consensus that seems to be severely at odds with WP:COMMONNAME; as we all know, local consensus cannot trump overall consensus. From the article: "Kumiko Kōda (神田 來未子 Kōda Kumiko?, born November 13, 1982), better known by her stage name Koda Kumi". I wouldn't be quite so vehement if she wasn't marketed in name using Roman script: a look at any of her album covers suggests that 'Koda Kumi' should be the name to use. --  Ohconfucius  ping / poke 04:32, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * But we have evidence that she is called "Kumi Koda" by the west rather than the fact that a small number of her albums in Japan have titles like "KODA KUMI DRIVING HIT'S" or her name is parsed as "KODA KUMI" on their covers. Ms. Koda is a modern individual and all modern individuals are referred to in the given name-family name order.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 05:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose per Ohconfucius. Her stage name (WP:COMMONNAME) should trump the more specialized guidelines. Google hits can't tell the whole story, of course, but as far outnumbers, I'm concerned that this move would be pushing a technical point over a common name, which is antithetical to the spirit of WP:AT. --BDD (talk) 19:50, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I believe that the only reason "Koda Kumi" has such a high prevalence in Google is because of the Anglosphere fans' preference for that order. In all reliable sources in English her name shows up as "Kumi Koda" while "KODA KUMI" is simply what gets plastered on her more recent albums in Japan.— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 02:27, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Support. You can use Google RS to research usage in reliable sources as follows:
 * LittleBen (talk) 03:38, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
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Merger proposal
I am proposing a merging of the Ero kawaii term, which is strongly associated with Kumi Koda to her Fashion subsection in this article. She is the one who popularized the term, and very little sources have referred to it outside of Koda. -AngusWOOF (talk) 14:03, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This proposal has remained here for a long time without comment so I am removing the tags. Thincat (talk) 18:56, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

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