Talk:Kodi (software)/Archive 1

Remove Stub?
This page is pretty extensive. What additions are required? Should the stub be removed? 71.161.14.182 17:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC):
 * Which stub/stubs? ...compare to MPlayer or Xine?

Requests for article expansion:

 * General cleanup is needed
 * More screenshots are needed, different skins with comments/explaination. See sources:
 * http://xbmc.org
 * http://sourceforge.net/projects/xboxmediacenter
 * This article on XBMC is currently (as of Mars 2007) been rated as start-Class on the Wikipedia assessment scale. This means that even though the article has much good content it still needs to be expanded. Substantial/major editing is needed, most material for a complete article needs to be added. This article still needs to be completed, so an article cleanup tag is inappropriate at this stage.
 * To sum up the readers should not need to actively find additional sources of information.
 * Multiple subheadings that indicate material that could be added to complete the article.
 * See the real analysis from November 2006 for more information.

I added/rearragned stuff into headings and I added some screenshots. I was in a hurry and didn't create my own screenshots... someone should replace mine with ones not suffuring from copyright problems (read picture copyright info.) Some had movie poster, etc. that could be replaced with screenshots that would be GFDL (one is already). Here is some input on skins... I would not include skins that are pre 2.0.1, I used Team Blackbolt skins and ones in the Sourceforge XBMC skinning project. I am going to re-read this article and add more info in a mintue. 24.118.20.254 16:14, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Article objectivity questioned in the past?
I tagged this article NPOV because it sounds more like a promo sheet for the program than a true article. I'd fix it myself, but I don't have the time at the moment, so I'm tagging it and I'll get back to it later if someone else doesn't. Night Gyr 23:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I changed some of the wording in the first paragraph. In reading that page and your comments, I changed some of the first paragraph to hopefully straighten it out and make it more neutral.  I am not a writer of this program, just a user...  dp
 * Yeah, I just looked at the changes and allthough it was not to bad it is definetly more neutral now. Jagged Tooth 00:41, 20 December 2005 (GMT +10)
 * It been changed now to not brag as much and limitation/legal issues been added, but know that the article only did/does read like a promo sheet because XBMC IS THAT GOOD!!! I'm biast because I'm an official member of The XBMC Project but IT REALLY IS A TRUE KILLER APP, JUST TRY IT! Gamester17 17:05, 2 February 2007 (GMT +1)
 * Yes, it really is that good. One way to look at it is the worlds best dvd player and an extremely capable media extender. And it's all free, so the creators have nothing else in mind other than the users pleasure. I'm sure if they could manufacture their own xboxes that having a XBMC under your tv would cost around 1000 dollars, and it would be worth it. Well, a few years ago anyway, these days lacking high def support would kill it, but then I guess they would choose a faster cpu. JayKeaton 07:23, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Minor correction concerning Theora
There is one minor bug in the list of supported video formats: Theora is listed as supported, when in fact it is not. For verification of this data, see for example the discussion on the XBMC forums: http://www.xboxmediacenter.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21776

(Or you could try and play Theora on your own XBMC)

Cultural sublimation 20:26, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Needs to be rewritten
The article needs to be rewritten, as XBMC is no longer solely Xbox software. It should be condensed and split up where necessary to denote features relative to the Xbox and Linux versions. The page is also notably lacking a history section. ♠ SG →Talk 05:53, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Done and done (at least the basics), feel free to edit and make changes if needed 83.227.151.27 (talk) 10:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Features and functions:
XBOX MEdiacenter does not include Xlink Kai, it could only be used as a GUI wich connects over the network.

XBMC does NOT work on Xbox360 clearification needed?
I think this is important to note down. -andy 80.129.114.9 13:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Seems kind of obvious to me. Should we really take the time to list all the things the application is not compatible with? I can think of about 200 things. - ZakuSage 03:59, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems kind of obvious to you that the Xbox Media Center doesn't work on one of the Xbox consoles? And you think that one of the Xbox consoles (360) compares to toaster ovens and wrist watches (I am assuming that is what you are getting at by "about 200 things")? And you really can't see how noting that Xbox Media Center doesn't work on the successor to the original xbox... you REALLY can't see how that is relevant or important!?! Are you being daft or do you really think that!? JayKeaton 06:49, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that should be mentioned. -- soum সৌমো yasch  20:38, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I do not see the need any more to specifially say that XBMC for not work on the Xbox 360, if so then the article also need to state that is not meant for the Ninitendo Wii or the PS3 (though I would not be supprised if someone ported XBMC to the PS3 within a year from now, as soon as the Gallium3D device-drivers for it supports OpenGL 3D as that is what XBMC needs). The reason for this is tha XBMC have now been formally renamed from XBox Media Center to XBMC (see the new xbmc.org website), and the wiki article now specificly states that XBMC for Xbox is only for the original Xbox, and that it is cross-platform for Linux, Mac OS X, and Microsoft Windows operating-systems as well. 83.227.151.27 (talk) 10:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Legality
I understand why the version of XBMC for Xbox can't be distributed in a compiled format, but why not the Windows, Mac, or Linux version?--SkiDragon (talk) 04:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course XBMC for Windows, Mac, and Linux can and is distributed, see http://xbmc.org/download Gamester17 (talk) 20:26, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Does XBMC support TV tuner cards?
Does XBMC support TV tuner cards? Or do you have to use MythTV for that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.131.6.134 (talk) 04:40, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Like the article now reads; "Unlike proprietary media center applications like Windows Media Center from Microsoft, or other free-software media center applications like MediaPortal and MythTV, XBMC Media Center has as of yet no PVR TV-recording and EPG TV-Guide functionality of its own. However, it does offer the possibility to integrate such functionality through third-party plugins" 164.4.17.33 (talk) 14:16, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

debian and rpm
The article says that they have a ppa repo for ubuntu, but then mentions rpms for debian. I dont know what they provide but it's either .debs for debian or rpms for suse/fedora/rhel(centos) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.27.191 (talk) 11:17, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Commercial XBMC Systems with XBMC pre-installed?
Who else sells hardware set-top-box devices or computers that comes pre-installed with XBMC Media Center or XBMC Live, There got to be more commecial systems out there than just Neuros LINK and Myka ION? Just as there has to be other systems where the manufacturer claim that their hardware is compatible with XBMC? 164.4.17.32 (talk) 13:34, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know if they actually pre-install it, but Zotac has long promoted the use of XBMC Live for some of their mini computers. -- Ned Scott 07:37, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

XBMC4Xbox header
It doesn't seem necessary to include the header about the XBMC4Xbox project. There is already a section for information about derivative projects of XBMC on this page. Furthermore, the header is misleading, indicating that XBMC runs on all hardware except Xbox when in fact, there are a number of other hardware where no known ports of XBMC are being worked on. For example, there are no known ports of XBMC for the Microsoft Xbox 360, the Nintendo Wii, or the Sony PS3. Rather than specifying the many hardware XBMC does not run on, it should be enough to include information about any projects working on porting XBMC to different hardware in the XBMC derivatives section of this page. Ceros (talk) 18:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

LGPL
"After beta 6 was completed there were complaints from a lot of people as to why the developers did not release the source code for the player sooner as they were using FFmpeg and XVID code which are under the (L)GPL license."

INAL, but as far as I understand, as long as whatever program isn't publicly released (i.e. "behind closed doors"), the source code doesn't have to be shared.

--132.170.160.55 (talk) 14:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

This is correct. As long as it isn't sold it doesn't have to be released. In fact it only has to ever be released to the people who bought it as well. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.244.16 (talk) 20:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

This does not even apply to XBMC but to XBMP which was the predecessor to XBMC, XBMC was written from scratch 164.4.17.33 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:07, 22 July 2009 (UTC).

This "complaint" would apply to XBMC if they withheld code. "Written from scratch" is misleading, XBMC and DVDPlayer is based on ffmpeg, and other open source libraries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.168.217 (talk) 08:09, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Retaining the information about forks that Jtalledo deleted in his clean up
Jtalledo indiscriminately deleted so much information gathered over the years, that I at least should be the information about the forks here in the talk page, thus the validity can be checked and sourced elsewhere if needed and the information about those forks that are now not even mentioned at all in the XBMC article or anywhere else on wikipedia for that matter. 164.4.17.32 (talk) 12:42, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I resent calling these deletions "indiscriminate". There was nothing indiscriminate about them, see the above post. I have cogent rationale for my deletions. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. It is poor style to lump information inelegantly and so poorly sourced. --Jtalledo (talk) 22:30, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Moved the content to List of software based on XBMC, as proposed above. Highly recommend assuming good faith. :/ --Jtalledo (talk) 23:12, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating List of software based on XBMC. I meant no offense. 164.4.17.32 (talk) 11:13, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'm sorry if I set you off as well. I don't like seeing content deleted either. Thanks. --Jtalledo (talk) 21:59, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Clean up
This is article is quite messy, which is why I deleted a lot of content. In short, it seems like everything and anything anybody could think of related to XBMC was lumped into a heaping mess. Normally I don't like deleting content, but there was way too much here that poorly sourced and unremarkable - taking the focus off of XBMC itself. The detailed Features and History could be forked into their own article with an abbreviated version in this article. Maybe the derivative software too. As for all the other details, you might be able to transfer some of the details to an external wiki dedicated to XBMC. --Jtalledo (talk) 12:23, 10 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Most of it relies on primary sources, such as the XBMC website and forum posts
 * There's a large amount of technical information that would be of little interest to a general audience
 * Bizarrely, a lot of statements are followed by a ridiculous number of citations, some of which aren't reliable
 * It also suffers from the worst Citation overkill I've ever seen. Three references supporting a single statement is pushing it; a sentence does not need 15 references supporting the information (as seen in the Derivatives section supporting the word "MeeGo").  This article is in need of some serious reference pruning.  When I get some more time I'll trim these down to the strongest sources. - SudoGhost 22:18, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Good idea. I didn't do much of that since it would take a while to weed out the lesser references without breaking citations elsewhere in the article. --Jtalledo (talk) 01:04, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Meaning of name
XBMC stood for Xbox Media Center in the Xbox days. Surprised this wasn't already mentioned! --86.156.190.156 (talk) 08:11, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It does, at the beginning of the Overview section: XBMC (which has officially been rebranded to simply "XBMC" from its previous old name; "Xbox Media Center") - SudoGhost 08:13, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Unsourced comments about Plex
This sentence is problematic, "Some Team-XBMC members are still quite vocal in the XBMC community forums about the fact that they still think that Plex developers continue to be on the border of violating the GPL and other open source licenses, not to mention that they often feel that Plex developers are violating the spirit and innate essence of open source software development when they do so." This conveys legal opinions about the behavior of living people with no source (reliable or not). For this to remain, we'd need a reliable source per WP:RS. It's boderline violating the spirit of WP:BLP in that a key Plex developer is mentioned at the start of the section, to be followed by this unsourced critique.Mattnad (talk) 17:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * A little late to reply to this, but it should be removed for being original research (as it was there), but not because of the BLP. That's painfully stretching BLP, not borderline. It's a fact that some Team XBMC members have stated (in interviews that would satisfy sourcing requirements) that they feel that way about Plex developers. It's the main reason there was a falling out between the two groups.


 * Full disclosure, I'm a member of Team XBMC, though I was not around during the days when Elan was apart of Team XBMC or for the split. Really, the only reason I'm even replying to this has nothing to do with it being Plex, but rather, the application of BLP in a situation that BLP does not realistically apply. -- Ned Scott 04:55, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Categories
Isn't this article overcategorised? 'seem a bit excessive. --Jerome Potts (talk) 13:02, 7 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Category:ARM operating systems
 * Category:Mobile Linux
 * Category:Mobile operating systems

Requested move 21 December 2014

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: WITHDRAWN. With many disconnected topics on the name Kodi, it is indeed appropriate to disambig it rather than move it. P.S. I will merge the disambig into the main title, and the with-diasmbig name be redirected into the main one. Error? Please notify me. gacelperfinian&#40;talk in &#45; error&#63; Start [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gacelperfinian&action=edit a new topic] &#41; 07:41, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

Kodi (software) → Kodi – The destination page is a redirect to the one, but it prevents moving it. I already put a hatnote explaining the situation on the original page. – gacelperfinian&#40;talk in &#45; error&#63; Start [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gacelperfinian&action=edit a new topic] &#41; 06:25, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:34, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * Never mind, will use speedy delete by G6. - gacelperfinian&#40;talk in &#45; error&#63; Start [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gacelperfinian&action=edit a new topic] &#41; 06:30, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Strong oppose speedy deletion / speedy move The target  has had a variety of different targets in its history. This is a primary topic dispute, so should have a regular move request. -- 67.70.35.44 (talk) 07:03, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Oppose and move Kodi (disambiguation) over baseline. In ictu oculi (talk) 23:49, 21 December 2014 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Name change from XBMC to Kodi
The name change was mentioned, when it was changed was not mentioned. I've used XBMC off and on around Frodo and a release or two later, it was still named XBMC. Wouldn't the article benefit from a mention of when the name changed? Update, I've asked the XBMC team about the date of the name change and a URL for citation.Wzrd1 (talk) 16:10, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
 * OK, I received a response from the official sources, a fellow Wikipedian with about as little amount of time to devote to Wikipedia as I, with citations. http://kodi.wiki/view/Official:Kodi_name_change_FAQ wasn't highly helpful, save for providing the link the secondary link also provided, http://kodi.tv/introducing-kodi-14/ . I've edited the history accordingly. If any can improve upon my prose, I'll be extremely appreciative.Wzrd1 (talk) 17:11, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

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Google searches
The following is moved from my talk page.

Hi. You wrote that you have added my revision into another location. I can imagine the right place in the article, as if you surely know it very well: it is at the end of the article. I think it must be added the notice about word BitTorrent banned out of the autocomplete feature, because it was not a single event, but as it has been repeated twice or more times, it has started a new political line of Google search. It is not NPOV to conceal about it.

Thank you for noticing me about the right format of tha dates, useful for my next updates.Micheledisaverio (talk) 16:35, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The short entry in the "use for illegal streaming" is more than sufficient coverage of this minor event. Google has not removed Kodi searches entirely, just auto complete. Having a lengthy entry (almost a short essay or WP:SOAPBOX) in the "native applications" is unnecessary. Walter Görlitz (talk) 17:31, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Good evening. I don't think so. Only one short sentence about the word "Bit Torrent" banned out of the autocomplete, it is not a WP:SOAPBOX. Autocomplete feature is a primary source of informations, because many people simply follow the results suggested by Google Search, believing that they are a pure statistic, and not filtered by a black-list.


 * Two or more such words removed by Google Search autocomplete means that there exists a company policy against the possibile infringement of the copyright law. This policy it is not talked about in the article about Google Search, which now is incomplete (or not NPOV) as it explains filtered words only about ''pornography, violence, and hate speech.' Not for the copyright law.Micheledisaverio (talk) 19:39, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The SOAPBOX is the unnecessary exposition of Google's policy.
 * If you want to discuss a Google policy, feel free to discuss that on the Google page, not on an article about this software. And again, the reference discusses the theory so we don't have to. Walter Görlitz (talk) 20:17, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

Malware?
Hey. How come there's no mention of the Wisdom Eyes malware downloader? https://www.virustotal.com/#/file/d50aa59064f440618dc29d6cd65b47f783bbd7c75caea5359a96f4f00f31475f/detection — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.239.210.166 (talk) 13:15, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Liliputing as a Source
I believe it's generally not reliable, which is why I've removed it (twice here without noticing it was reverted the first time). If you'd like to discuss this source, I believe the appropriate place is the noticeboard:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Liliputing.com_blog_as_a_reliable_source? --Yae4 (talk) 14:43, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I know you think it's not reliable, which is why you requested that its reliability be reviewed. The only person who has commented to date, , has stated it was Generally unreliable, but in this case, the reference is https://liliputing.com/2013/05/xbmc-running-in-linux-on-a-tv-box-with-an-amlogic-am8726-mx-chip-video.html and it supports one piece of information, that the software supports a single chip, the AMLogic VPU chip. Tell me how this is unreliable in any way? Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:52, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * You are mistaken. User:JzG also agreed, with a terse comment: "Ugh. That site is basically a collection of advertisements. Guy (help!) 21:52, 9 September 2019 (UTC)" https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=914877298&diffmode=source I believe the noticeboard is the appropriate place for this discussion, to get wider discussion and consensus. -- Yae4 (talk) 16:41, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Not at the time of my writing. The source is not an issue here. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:15, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
 * September 9 was long before the time of your writing, if you are referring to your comment directly above. Maybe you were confused because User:JzG uses the nickname Guy, or you just missed it. Anyway, we agree, with the source deleted, that's no longer an issue here. -- Yae4 (talk) 00:32, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

This reads like an advert
I have removed a number of primary, unreliable and affiliated sources, and some text based only on these, but this article contains a level of detail far beyond what we'd expect here, it reads like a promotional publication. Guy (help!) 21:11, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
 * I agree the language is more like advertising than encyclopedia, and should be tagged as such and fixed. -- Yae4 (talk) 00:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC)