Talk:Kodocha/Archive 1

Moving the page
I'm not sure moving this page was the best idea just yet. From what I've seen, English Wikipedia manga go under the most common name; thus Tetsuwan Atom is under Astro Boy, but Lum is under Urusei Yatsura. Kodocha is not the proper title of the Japanese or English versions of the manga or the anime. I'll never know why Tokyopop chose the name they did, instead of sticking with "Kodomo no Omocha" or its translation, "Child's Toy", but in any case, I think it's a little early to say which title will it will be best known by. Probably we can't judge that until the anime is released in the US.

Point being, though, at a minimum Kodcha really should be a redirect to one of Kodomo no Omocha, Child's Toy, or Kodocha: Sana's Stage, not the actual page itself. Bigpeteb 14:15, 21 Oct 2004 (UTC)

then sana feel in love with akito. (Unsigned comment added by 71.114.5.183 at 21:06, 18 January 2009 (UTC))

I think FUNimation is using "Kodocha" too. WhisperToMe 16:19, 31 Oct 2004 (UTC)

You're right, Bigpeteb, I wasn't thinking when I set up this page. It really should be under Kodocha: Sana's Stage if that's what they're using, I just stuck it under what I thought of when I first thought of when I decided to start the article. Can someone please make a movement vote thing, I don't know how! --195.92.168.163 03:42, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Requested move
The reasons for move copied from the entry on the WP:RM page


 * Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one sentence explanation, then sign your vote with ~ 

Discussion

 * Add any additional comments


 * Support: as the discussion above indicates this is the best outcome Zarboki 10:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose: Kodomo no Omocha would probably be the best title, but Kodocha is how it is known to most everyone. We have four items, the Japanese manga and anime and the English manga and anime.  Only one of those, the English manga, is known as Kodocha: Sana's Stage.  --Pmsyyz 20:46, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Oppose: I'm the IP person who set up this page and later commented (above), and I've changed my mind since the release of the anime in English- Kodocha: Sana's Stage is what I presumed it would be called, but it isn't- it's simply known as 'Kodocha'. Both 'Kodocha' and 'Kodomo no Omocha' are good titles for it, but not 'Kodocha: Sana's Stage'.--Oppolo 00:21, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
 * No worries then, I was only responding to your request Zarboki 05:56, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Result
Page not moved. Eugene van der Pijll 23:40, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Legal issues?
Major cuts were made: the dub has removed references to Rei being Sana's "pimp" as well as shortening or completely cutting scenes of violence. For example, the scene where Hayama strangles Sana has been shortened, and the where Rei pushes Itomisu and Yasuda when trying to save Sana is cut completely. These decisions were due to legal issues, and were not decisions made by FUNimation

Is there any evidence of this? --Matthew0028

Not of any EDITING, there isn't. Exhaustive evaluations have been done, and not one frame has been cut. I have made the change, and added a citation to Anime Prime, a comprehensive anime editing clearinghouse. Some language was toned down in the dub version, and the mentioned audio edits do exist and have been documented on the DVD menus themselves. --JSevakis

7 O'Clock News
There's an official comment on the problems obtaining the original OP on the FUNimation Forums. Shiroi Hane 05:00, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

About the edits...
The first two episodes of the Kodocha dub are cut somewhat, however, for the third episode, they switched directors and the dub will now be uncut for the remaining episodes. Also, the subtitled version on the DVD is uncut. doinkies changed the section on FUNi's release to reflect this since previously it gave the impression that all of the Kodocha eps released so far are cut. Doinkies 17:40, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Let's clarify the term "cut" -- the English dub rewrote some sections, but no footage was removed. Nothing was "cut". --JSevakis

Sana's father
As I haven't read the manga yet, I'm not entirely sure about this.

"Keiko Sakai is Sana's birth mother. She gave birth to Sana when she was only 14 (her uncle made her pregnant, and she gave birth in a bathtub)." "Takeshi Gojyo (anime only) is Sana's birth father, but he does not know it."

This makes Gojyo the uncle that raped Keiko? I find this hard to believe. I'm currently watching the raws for the Gojyo episodes with some very lousy translations, but this accusation doesn't seem to fit his character. Where does the "uncle" statement come from? The manga? I don't seem to remember this in the anime.


 * I took the uncle information from the manga, and just never noticed that it doesn't appear in the anime! I guess they changed that part of the story. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.67.100.40 (talk • contribs).


 * No, they didn't change anything. He didn't rape her; they had an affair. He does not know he has a daughter as a result of that affair.


 * In the dub of the anime, Keiko does say that Sana's father is Keiko's uncle. But she also said he died. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.197.57.83 (talk) 00:29, 27 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't remember anything in the sub saying that he was her uncle, though that could just be my faulty memory. arimareiji (talk) 01:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Proof on the edits.
''well as shortening or completely cutting scenes of violence. For example, the scene where Hayama strangles Sana has been shortened and the one where Rei pushes Itomisu and Yasuda when trying to save Sana are cut completely'' <-- Can anyone actually varify this?

NO, because they didn't happen. Removed. --JSevakis

Airdates
To be frank, I'm not sure why the Fansubs section contains the info in the first place. Perhaps a different heading is more appropriate. At any rate, the old information about the OVA coming out after the TV series is incorrect. Rather, the OVA comes out first, and (speculation) is likely serves as the pilot of the TV series. Source is http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/encyclopedia/anime.php?id=165

The air date given in that page is incorrect though. Although the start date is likely correct, Kodomo no Omocha is 102 weekly half-hour episodes. This means that given normal scheduling, it should last until 1998. And Kodomo no Omocha did not get special twice/week schedule. If it does, it would've been an exceptionally unique situation that's unheard of in any other TV shows and would've been mentioned in many sources.

Picture
The picture has disappeared from the page Labor Day Weekend. Any reason why? DJLon 01:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Since no reason has been given, I've uploaded a screenshot from the DVD. Hopefully I did this right since it was my first attempt at uploading a picture. DJLon 17:50, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Obana
Obana makes several cameos during the course of the series, it might be worth mentioning. --Hitsuji Kinno 07:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * How about a trivia secton? --Cupcakeforyou 07:15, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

Seiyuu source
http://www.perryandtsua.com/Seiyuu/Kodocha.html Just for the sake of it, the Japanese seiyuu... and from the Japanese version of this page: Harumi Ikoma is the voice of Fuka Matsui. The one that no one else seems to know. --Hitsuji Kinno 07:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

List of characters
This article is really long, so it may be a good idea to have a separate page with a character list, for instance List of Kodocha characters. Similar examples can be found for D.Gray-man - List of D.Gray-man characters and Great Teacher Onizuka - List of Great Teacher Onizuka characters. If nobody objects to this, I'll create the page and move the character content from this one to the new page. Ninja neko 10:39, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That is an excellent idea. --Squilibob 14:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I concur as well. DJLon 14:17, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

I Agree... So who's gonna do it? Animine 00:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've moved the content under characters to the List of Kodocha characters article. I've also created a couple of redirection pages. Ninja neko 08:19, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

Funimation: Pity Me and Cough Up Some Dough
When will Funimation on Colours TV air those other episodes? I've Noticed that when Fruits Basket finises, it restarts all of the other shows. Any idea why? Animine 00:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. I've e-mailed Colours and Funimation regarding this a few times and never get a response from either one. I added the episode titles to this page from the Kodocha DVDs I've purchased so far. DJLon 02:17, 2 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I think that colors only buys one season of each anime they show (I know kodocha is different in that it has like two seasons in one). So I think that they instead decided to buy 26 episode (although now they have shown up to episode 35 There is a reason for the gift). I don't know this for sure but and I'm just hypothesizing based on the fact that Fruits basket has 26 episode in every season. Smileyface 12 91

Episode List
I've added a section for a brief plot summary and written up a few; I've tried to keep them spoiler-free and just wrote them as a little teaser for those interested in keeping track of each episodes' content. I will slowly flesh them out, and I welcome all help. Eventually, we can build up the section and perhaps move it to a separate article, but that's a ways from now. --Cupcakeforyou 22:15, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

That is great, but someone needs to add more episodes to season two. Right now there are only 52 episodes on the chart. Smileyface_12_91 (I hope just leaving my screen name is ok).

About The Episodes Shown So Far
Just a few days ago I was watching the Funimation Channel and they were up to episode 40. I can't give an exact date of when this was or when other episodes aired but I noticed that the episode list has not been updated yet. Just a small note. ~FangzV 11:59, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

There are 102 episodes of kodocha.76.223.99.179 19:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

About Mayu...
If I'm right, she appears in episode 80. FangzV 21:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)FangzV

Cecile Hamilton
What accident happened to her so she couldn't dance? ~Mooncrest(unsigned)

when she was preforming she fell off the stage

173.67.171.96 (talk) 05:47, 22 June 2014 (UTC)==Kodocha Episodes== Alright we have 51 episode shown why not put all of the episodes on there. I was also wondering were anybody heard that they weren't doing a second season because I happen to know that they just put it on hold (or at least that is last I heard). I found the second season and I'm going to add the titles.Smileyface 12 91 09:35, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone know if there are or ever are going to be more than 102 japanese episodes (don't care about English ones) released? I  just finished 102 and it kind of left the story hanging a little there. And if I can find some time I'll try to go through and put some plot summaries for a few of the later episodes that I actually remember what happened in. If anyone has any information on   this, they should probably put it up on the main page similar to the announcement that there won't be any more English episodes. Daneren2005 05:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

There isn't a episode past 102 sadly it was the last episode

Does anyone know if there's a chance they could continue it, they took us through many pointless scenes just so we could never see the characters we love officially get together.Filled with, "Obana here's" and 'Babbit' much time was wasted then when they establish they might tell each other how they feel so they can be together it just ends! I can't be the only person mad about that, they even let Fuka be with him but not Sana?

Mangas list
Alright so I personally think the episode lists looks nice but the way the manga list is set up doesn't look as nice as it could. So I'm going to move it to it's own page and put it in a table. maybe if I'm luck I'll find pictures of all of the manga's.Smileyface 12 91 20:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I think there's actually a different issue here -- the heading says Manga but the content is a book-by-book plot summary. I think we need to edit it into two sections first. Then, if it still seems necessary, move things. (Not forgetting to leave a summary behind when it happens.) —Quasirandom 21:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

First off I don't know how many manga's you have read, but unless you are getting them out of a magazine they are a book. Viz media actually refers to them as graphic novels. How do you mean two sections??? Yeah there would need to be a short plot summery left behind (not too short though). Smileyface 12 91 22:25, 30 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sorry -- I was speaking in shorthand. Per the style guidelines for writing about manga and followed the example of FA and GA class articles about manga and anime, the Plot section should be separate from the section about the production details about the Manga (and Anime). The list of manga volumes and what they contain should be separate (and lower down in the article. What I'm suggesting is that first we do structural edits, separating the two kinds of information, and then assess whether we still need to split off a sub-article.
 * I'd work on it now, to show what I mean, but I'm about to leave for a long holiday weekend. —Quasirandom 23:46, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Official Title
Shouldn't Kodomo no Omocha be the article title -- instead of its short hand name Kodocha? Per Manual of Style. KyuuA4 04:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

It was desided a while ago that it would be called Kodocha because A) most people don't know it by Kodomo no Omocha and B) that is the offical name of the anime. So the artical is named Kodocha.Smileyface 12 91 09:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Manga Ending
Content needs to be verifiable - that's why I edited the conclusion to actual manga content instead of "and Stays With Sana Forever." If there's a sourcework by Obana that talks about their life after the manga ends, I'd absolutely love to see it. But nothing in the end of the manga proves this romantic conclusion (though I'm sure any fan hopes that it's true). Please explain what supports that wording, if you think it should be used. (And if you know of anything by Obana that talks about their life after the manga, please share? ^_^) arimareiji (talk) 00:54, 6 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It's Perfect Everything is Exactly How its suppose to Be! The Ending Akito and Sana are Together Again and Stay Together...Forever Is Not Actually sayed in the manga But Will all Know That's The Truth about Sana and Akito! They stay together Forever!!! -- Unsigned edit made by User:71.243.223.66 on 17:43, 30 October 2008


 * 71.243.223.66 - it is extremely inappropriate to delete comments made by other editors that contradict your position. See WP:GAMETYPE.
 * It is also extremely inappropriate to repeatedly make edits that are against a wide consensus of other editors and have been shown to be against policy. Please take note of the guidelines at WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT.
 * Wikipedia is not a forum to post our own wishful thinking or personal opinions. I can empathize with your desire to believe that the story continued happily ever after when the manga ended. I love the little spazbutt (Sana) too, and I personally agree that everyone should watch/read Kodocha. But neither speculation about their happy life together, nor commentary on why you think Kodocha is a great anime and everyone should watch it, belongs in Wikipedia. arimareiji (talk) 20:37, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Out Of print
I Think It Would Be Nice If Someone Were to Put When The Manga Went Out Of Print. I Don't Want To Put any Thing That is Not True. Which I have Done Before and was Totally Wrong of me. Please Forgive me ^_^. I'm Sorry To Those who Had to Deal with me at the Time.
 * The problem is, publishers never want to publicize that sort of information, and determining this sort of thing independently is REALLY hard to do. —Quasirandom (talk) 04:14, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Added Items
I added a item on how the manga is out of print but can still be bought on some websites for those who would still want to read the manga. I Also Added on How Kodocha is not being Aired On The FUNimation Channel but That It Could Still Be Bought on Dvd On the FUNimation Site. If anyone Thinks That Should Not be on there please Remove it. I Don't want to be adding any items that are Wrong as for i have done before and sorry and Fully Regret it. I have also added on how there is still a 50/50 Chance on How there Might be a 2nd season in The English dub(Did I spell Dub right?) I have gone to The 2008 Anime Expo and have asked Laura Bailey(Voice of Sana) if there will be more and have personally Heard her say That there is still a 50/50 Chance of it happening! So please do Not remove that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.243.223.66 (talk) 01:28, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Rvv to revision 251855628
After carefully looking through, I could only find deletions of cited content and addition of uncited content. All of what I initially took to be reference additions were actually rescues of eviscerated cites by AnomieBot. The actual additions were 1) speculative 2) non-verifiable and/or 3) POV. arimareiji (talk) 19:59, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Kodacha infobox
Does anyone know what's wrong with the infobox? I looked at it, and couldn't find what was wrong with it. It's probally just a small problem that's messing the box up. - 69.244.100.206 (talk) 23:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yup, it was coding. First, everything needs to be part of a "field =" parameter; section, the closing }} for the manga part of the infobox had gotten whacked. And, for the record, since the article is about the original work, rather than translations, there's fields only for the original publication info by design. —Quasirandom (talk) 02:45, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah thank you for for fixing that up. I kept testing the coding, but nothing I did worked. I couldn't figure out what the problem was. Thanks again. - 69.244.100.206 (talk) 03:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)