Talk:Kohlberg Kravis Roberts

This article is substantially out of date
Has not been updated since 2009, since which major changes have occurred in the industry as a whole and with KKR specifically. For instance, KKR PEI no longer exists as a separate publicly-traded entity, having been acquired in its entirety in 2009 by KKR. 206.106.128.5 (talk) 22:56, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Notable former enmployees
Michael Marks left KKR in Jan 2008 on his own accord to start his own private equity firm, Riverwood Capital, formerly Bigwood Capital. Ochyou 22:26, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

TYPO
There is a typo under the heading "Deals". It is the last sentence in paragraph four. There is a typo that says "st". I assume it is meant to say "stock". Ochyou 22:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

RJR Nabisco deal details
Does anybody have a complete picture of the Nabisco deal, was it completed in '88 or '89, was it worth $25 or $31 bn?--193.10.6.151 12:52, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

It was completed in 89 and was $31Bn

Bushes were involved, Reagan? then there's BCCI?

According the Cahill Gordon & Reindel's (the law firm who worked on the LBO) 2007 recruiting packet, the deal was completed in 1988 and worth $30.2bn.

According to Bloomberg it completed on 28th April 1989 for $30.062bn ($109 per share). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.140.194.147 (talk) 14:15, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Does anyone else think that the picture of the oreo cookie is totally irrelevant to this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.166.55.104 (talk) 07:20, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

please remove NYSE category
How is that on the page? I can't find it. Is it transcluded? It needs to be removed as KKR is a private equity firm, and therefore not on any stock market. --Rajah 07:40, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Major article cleanup
On January 5, 2009, I completed a major cleanup of the KKR article. The article had become a dumping ground of various news bits, some of which were largely irrelevant. This practice should probably be discouraged. Among the changes: organizing the firm's major historical transactions into tables from bullet lists, revising the intro, adding the correct logo, bolstering the history section and cleaning up references. |► ϋrban яenewaℓ  •  TALK  ◄| 05:36, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

potential resource
Google, KKR invest in California solar project [[WSJ] DECEMBER 20, 2011, 11:55 A.M. ET, excerpt ...

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How can KKR be a L.P. company?
L.P. (Limited Partnership) implies that it is owned by a partnership but KKR has been a publicly traded company for quite a while so wouldn't make it either a Inc. or at least a LLC.? YborCityJohn (talk) 00:48, 12 May 2017 (UTC)

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BMG should be mentioned
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts helped BMG Rights Management with a joint venture to become the fourth-largest music publisher of the world in only three years. In 2013, Bertelsmann acquired all shares from KKR. However, this still should be mentioned. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 20:57, 10 September 2017 (UTC)

shadow founder
on Thomas J Healey wiki page, he says he founded 5 firms including KKR; you make no mention of him in this wiki as a founder ??? / /s veritas sr 19:55, 16 October 2019 (UTC)~

Reads like a PR piece
Reading this article you'd never know how many employees lost their jobs or how many communities lost local businesses as the result of KKR and other hedge-fund type acquisitions.67.185.225.118 (talk) 22:26, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Although there is perhaps a less emotive way to put this I agree. Honestly I'm very surprised that a large company whose entire business model borders on predatory lacks any "criticism" or "controversy" section. Given the size of the article the lack of negative information looks like a case of WP:APPARENTCOI. Any third opinions? See sources below for various examples (not all reliable, just a quick search to give ideas).

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/us-predator-stalks-littlewoods-kkr-seeks-littlewoods-arm-1271788.html https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-7981441/Infamous-predator-KKR-2bn-hospitals-raid.html https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/07/kentucky-stephen-schwarzman-private-equity https://www.forbes.com/sites/antoinegara/2019/05/06/kkr-private-equity-george-roberts-henry-kravis/?sh=20e5a0eae0f1 https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-DLB-1785 https://www.investopedia.com/articles/stocks/09/corporate-kleptocracy-rjr-nabisco.asp https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2014/06/kkr-capstone-scam-picture-worth-10000-words.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by John wiki (talk • contribs) 10:16, 6 May 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry for the late reply, but I'm working on a controversies section in my sandbox. &#39;&#39;Flux55&#39;&#39; (talk) 14:32, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 28 May 2021

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The result of the move request was: No consensus to move due to disagreement about it being the primary topic of KKR. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  03:01, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Kohlberg Kravis Roberts → KKR – Per WP:COMMONNAME. Has traded under its acronym for many years rather than full name per https://www.kkr.com/. KKR currently redirects to this article. Fredshed (talk) 03:17, 28 May 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. — Nnadigoodluck  █ █ █ 06:02, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I've never really liked the current primary redirect of KKR; a look at the |Kolkata_Knight_Riders|Kohlberg_Kravis_Roberts pageviews shows that Kolkata Knight Riders gets about the same number of pageviews, except during the aborted IPL season, when the views were considerably higher for Kolkata Knight Riders.  I'll also note that the use of the initials to refer to the team is very common; much more so than in other sports.  This leads me to believe that the investment company falls short of a primary topic. Support move to KKR & Co., with KKR (disambiguation) → KKR. 162 etc. (talk) 14:37, 28 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Support. If you search for either use it show that they themselves go by KKR now.--Timothyplaya (talk) 18:19, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Oppose per 162 etc.: It shouldn't matter what the trading symbol is, and it shouldn't matter what the company itself uses. What should matter is whether the name is familiar to readers, used by independent reliable sources (especially outside of specialist literature), and sufficiently unambiguous. Per 162 etc., the proposal seems to fail on the question of being sufficiently unambiguous. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 15:19, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 9 March 2022

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) &#8212;CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • C • L) 14:30, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Kohlberg Kravis Roberts → KKR – Current name&#32;Laterthanyouthink (talk) 10:08, 9 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Steel1943  (talk) 04:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Not the only one. See KKR (disambiguation). Not necessarily primary topic. See also Talk:Kohlberg Kravis Roberts. Therefore needs another RM. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:27, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * See also Talk:KKR (disambiguation), another not moved RM that is even more recent than Talk:Kohlberg Kravis Roberts. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 20:47, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * This is a contested technical request (permalink). Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:00, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Oppose per last June's RM. "KKR" cannot be considered unambiguous, see Kolkata Knight Riders, KKR (disambiguation).  Would instead support a move to KKR & Co.. 162 etc. (talk) 18:14, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment/questions: The article opens with "KKR & Co. Inc., formerly known as Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co." (emphasis added). But I did not find a description of a change of the company's official name or when that happened, if it actually happened at all. I see that the footer of the company's website says "© 2022 Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. L.P." and "Kohlberg Kravis Roberts", so they have not entirely stopped using the long-form name. The article also seems a bit confusing about whether KKR & Co. is the whole company or only part of it. The lead says that "In October 2009, KKR listed shares in the company through KKR & Co., an affiliate that holds 30% of the firm's ownership equity, with the remainder held by the firm's partners." Is that still true, that KKR & Co. is only 30% of the ownership? Also, the provided rationale does not address the question of whether "KKR" is too ambiguous. —&#8288;&#8202;&#8288;BarrelProof (talk) 19:54, 9 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Comment Yes, sorry, did this in a hurry and when tired - I realise I should have checked the DAB and talk pages first. I found that KKR is a redirect to this article, after someone had changed the link in another article from the full (current article) name to KKK. I checked the website, which uses KKR as the common name almost everywhere, so usually this would apply per WP:COMMONNAME, surely? What about calling it KKR (company)? Either way, the redirect needs to be changed (possibly swapped with the KKR DAB page). Laterthanyouthink (talk) 22:41, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I proposed moving KKR (disambiguation) to KKR last year, it was not moved. Discussion is linked at the top of the post. 162 etc. (talk) 23:45, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

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 * Oppose move the disambiguation page to the base location instead; other options for this page would be KKR & Co. Inc. or KKR & Co. -- 65.92.246.142 (talk) 22:42, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, KKR is the common name, company rebranded itself from Kohlberg Kravis Roberts over 10 years ago. Subject is the primary topic so no need to alter the disambiguation page arrangement, having a hatnote pointing to the disambiguation page is sufficient. Same principal applies at BBC, BP, HMV, IBM etc, that all previously traded under their full names but have since been rebranded to just use their initials, and is reflected in their article names. Stkngjo (talk) 04:17, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Support, company is the primary topic. Sontersweap (talk) 02:47, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Takeover of Simon & Schuster
In an effort to be properly encyclopedic, shouldn't we mention that, in August 2023, KKR took over the Simon & Schuster publishing company? 173.88.246.138 (talk) 00:41, 8 August 2023 (UTC)


 * Note that the sale isn't finalized yet. 〜 Festucalex  •  talk  21:17, 8 August 2023 (UTC)

Missing criticism/controversy section: bad fossil industry divestment track record
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/sep/14/private-equity-dirty-energy-carlyle-warburg-pincus-kkr-climate-risks-scorecard Sternenmeer (talk) 23:09, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Knowing that, this article is really influenced to be something like a PR piece... &#39;&#39;Flux55&#39;&#39; (talk) 14:34, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

Missing discussion of surprise medical billing and its political attacks to defend surprise billing
Consider adding discussion of KKR's role in attacking reforms to address surprise medical billing. This is the practice of being out of network for most insurance plans, not revealing this to patients, and treating patients, particularly in contexts where patients do not choose their provider. One example is anesthesiologists, who are chosen by the surgeon or hospital and have no interaction with the patient, who tend to be out of network. The New York Times and Bloomberg found that KKR was secretly funding attack ads misrepresenting the reforms and that it owned TeamHealth, acquired in 2016, which engages in surprise medical billing.

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