Talk:Koichi Yamadera

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Moving article
Why was this article moved to Koichi Yamadera when the WP:MOS-JA clearly states it should be at Kōichi Yamadera? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  23:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Anyone want to bother replying?··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjo e  22:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * You are right Nihonjoe, it shouldn't have been moved. I'd move it back myself if not for the flak I'd get from my oh-so-charming wiki-stalkers.  Evan1975 05:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

"Spelling, including macron usage, of the name of a modern figure should adhere to the following, in order of preference:

1. Use the official trade name if available in English/Latin alphabet; 2. Use the form found in a dictionary entry from a generally-accepted English dictionary; 3. Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world; 4. Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in any other popular Latin-alphabet-using language (French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, German, and Dutch, or variations); or      5. If none of the above is available, use the macronned form. "

If you want, I can get proof that his trade name = Koichi Yamadera. WhisperToMe 05:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

http://www.cowboybebop.org/english/session/first/index.html - This archive of the official CB site = Koichi Yamadera WhisperToMe 05:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, see on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?ie=UTF8&index=dvd-uk&field-keywords=Koichi%20Yamadera&page=1 WhisperToMe 05:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, Nihonjoe, it's a deja vu: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Nihonjoe&diff=61301584&oldid=61301261 WhisperToMe 05:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Toshiro Mifune is listed as Toshirō Mifune. Anyhow, I don't really care that much about this issue enough to argue about it.  Evan1975 05:30, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

According to the summary Patrick Schwemmer moved Mifune on April 13 (Rationale: moved Toshiro Mifune to Toshirō Mifune over redirect: I feel the distinction between long and short vowels is crucial in Japanese, and English article titles should reflect this difference.). I moved it back today :) WhisperToMe 06:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I wish you had put that move up for discussion. It's been many years, but I know that some of his movies listed him as Toshirô Mifune (yes, that is a circumflex, not a macron). Bendono 06:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * IMDB uses "Toshirô Mifune" . His "official" website uses "Toshirou Mifune"!  I really must ask that you revert the move and put it up for discussion if you wish to pursue it. Bendono 06:58, 10 May 2007 (UTC)


 * 1. I would like to know what to move it to first - since you found the "Toshirou Mifune"

2. Yamadera does not have to explicitly state "I want my name to be romanized like this" in order for the official romanizations to count.

Behalf is defined by Merriam-Webster as http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Behalf : "A body of opinion favors in with the “interest, benefit” sense of behalf and on with the “support, defense” sense. This distinction has been observed by some writers but overall has never had a sound basis in actual usage. In current British use, on behalf (of) has replaced in behalf (of); both are still used in American English, but the distinction is frequently not observed." WhisperToMe 20:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

So, does this mean the discussion is closed? If so, I will move the page back in three days. WhisperToMe 04:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * No, it is most certainly not. There are several users who believe the macronned form should be kept and have given excellent arguments, see the discussion at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles), for example. ··· 巌流 ? · Talk to Gan ryuu 08:20, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In that case, all I got from my last posting (Yes, I made a counterargument) was "I think you're addressing User:DivineLady, not me. -- Hoary 01:49, 11 May 2007 (UTC)" - I think we need to discuss the word "behalf," because, Ganryuu, their arguments lie entirely on the usage of "behalf." WhisperToMe 06:59, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The macron usage seems to be a good compromise for romanizing issues such as this. Some people will want to spell it "Koichi", "Kouichi", or "Kooichi".  And you can find these spellings in many places as well. Evan1975 04:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

New voice role
Please add that he started this month the much awaited role of Kenshiro Kasumi, the uncle of Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star's hero of the same name in it's prequel anime, Souten no Ken.

Pokemon Movie 10?
Any word on who, if anyone, he plays in Dialga VS Palkia VS Darkrai?
 * He voices Baron Alberto. Cat&#39;s Tuxedo (talk) 11:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

RfC: 15kb list of titles?
I've called an RFC over this question of whether some 75% of this article should comprise a bare list of titles on which this actor has worked. In my opinion such a list is quite unnecessary. Only his most significant work needs to be recorded, not for instance every single film in which he has dubbed a voice. --TS 14:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It's highly unlikely this article lists everything he's ever done, given the prolific nature of this voice actor. Given that (far more than regular actors) people interested in anime tend to follow specific actors and want to know what else they've been in, I see no reason to get rid of this list, especially as it helps in locating specific titles. I agree that more prose information needs to be added to the article. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 06:40, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that there doesn't seem to be any real reason to get rid of the list. It's not irrelevant information. The Japanese wikipedia page has even more data. However I admit being biased towards the opinion that Wikipedia should have more information rather than less, generally. BilabialBoxing (talk) 06:57, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's only two references listed for this article. Is every item in the lists supported by those two references?  If so, there's no reason to delete them. Cla68 (talk) 07:01, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * If they're not supported by references, what are they doing in the article? --TS 13:06, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

How about this? First we reference everything we can from any available reliable sources. We remove those items that aren't yet referenced, moving them to this talk page if desired. When a given item becomes reliably sourced, it goes into the article. --TS 14:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Why? Just because it's policy? What do you think this is? Wikipedia?...oh...wait... ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:37, 22 February 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll work on sourcing it. It may take a few days. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 05:55, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Unsourced parts (so far)
These can be added back to the main page after sources have been found. I've made a good start on it. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Television animation

 * Brave Exkaiser (Osamu Tokuda, trader, narrator)
 * Disney's House of Mouse (Donald Duck (Tony Anselmo), Mike the Microphone (Rod Roddy), Mushu (Mark Moseley), Genie (Dan Castellaneta), Beast (Robby Benson))
 * Fighting Spirit (Kazuki Sanada)
 * O~i! Ryoma (Kondō Isami)
 * UFO Baby (Yuzuhiko)

OVA

 * Cinderella II: Dreams Come True (Jaq (Rob Paulsen))
 * Cinderella III: A Twist in Time (Jaq (Rob Paulsen))
 * The Lion King 1½ (Donald Duck (Tony Anselmo), Genie (Dan Castellaneta), Stitch (Chris Sanders))
 * The Little Mermaid II: Return to the Sea (Sebastian (Samuel E. Wright))

Theater animation

 * Beauty and the Beast (Beast (Robby Benson))
 * Detective Conan: Strategy Above the Depths (Hirunari Kusaka)
 * Dialga VS Palkia VS Darkrai (Baron Alberto)
 * Disney productions (Donald Duck (Clarence Nash))
 * Martian Successor Nadesico: The Motion Picture – Prince of Darkness (Hokushin)
 * Pokémon: Jirachi Wish Maker (Butler)
 * Treasure Planet (B.E.N. (Martin Short))

Video games

 * Another Century's Episode 3 (Hokushin, Gyunei Guss)
 * Dragon Quest Swords: The Masked Queen and the Tower of Mirrors (Jeim)
 * Drakengard (Leonard)
 * Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Gilderoy Lockhart)
 * Mario Kart Arcade GP 2 (Live announcer)
 * Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon (Spring Breeze Dancin')
 * Rival Schools (Daigo Kazama)
 * Rogue Galaxy (Desert Claw)
 * Street Fighter Alpha 3 (Cody, Mike Bison, narration)

Dubbing roles

 * The Adventures of Sharkboy and Lavagirl in 3-D (Mr. Electricidad, Mr. Electric, Ice Guardian, Tobor, Iceman (George Lopez))
 * Avalon (Stunner (Bartlomiej Swiderski))
 * Bad Boys (Marcus Burnett (Martin Lawrence))
 * Bad Boys II (Marcus Burnett (Martin Lawrence))
 * Chaplin (Charlie Chaplin (Robert Downey Jr.))
 * Columbo (Cooper Redman (Gary Hershberger))
 * Dr. Dolittle series (Doctor John Dolittle (Eddie Murphy))
 * Enemy of the State (Robert Clayton Dean (Will Smith))
 * Evolution (Professor Harry Phineas Block (Orlando Jones))
 * Fathers' Day (Dale Putley (Robin Williams))
 * The Flash (Flash (John Wesley Shipp))
 * Flubber (Philip Brainard (Robin Williams))
 * Gremlins 2: The New Batch (Daniel Clamp (John Glover))
 * Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (TV Asahi edition) (Marv Merchants (Daniel Stern))
 * I, Robot (DVD edition) (Del Spooner (Will Smith))
 * Jackie Brown (Ray Nicolette (Michael Keaton))
 * The Last Boy Scout (VHS and DVD editions) (James Alexander "Jimmy" Dix (Damon Wayans))
 * Lemony Snicket's A Series of Unfortunate Events (Count Olaf (Jim Carrey))
 * Life Is Beautiful (Guido (Roberto Benigni))
 * Mad Max 2: The Road Warrior (Max (Mel Gibson))
 * Max Headroom (Max (Matt Frewer))
 * Memphis Belle (Dennis (Matthew Modine))
 * Mr. & Mrs. Smith (John Smith (Brad Pitt))
 * The Rock (TV Asahi edition) (Doctor Stanley Goodspeed (Nicolas Cage))
 * Roman Holiday (Video and DVD edition) (Mario Delani (Paolo Carlini))
 * Saving Private Ryan (TV edition) (Captain John H. Miller (Tom Hanks))
 * Showtime (Officer Trey Sellers (Eddie Murphy))
 * Space Jam (Michael Jordan)
 * Spy Game (Tom Bishop (Brad Pitt))
 * Spy Kids 2: Island of Lost Dreams (Romero (Steve Buscemi))
 * Spy Kids 3-D: Game Over (Romero (Steve Buscemi))
 * Star Wars Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (Friday Road Show edition) (Han Solo (Harrison Ford))
 * The Sting (Thursday Western Film Theater edition) (Johnny "Kelly" Hooker (Robert Redford))
 * The Sum of All Fears (Friday Road Show edition) (Jack Ryan (Ben Affleck))
 * Titanic (Caledon Hockley　(Billy Zane))
 * Under Siege 2: Dark Territory (Travis Dane (Eric Bogosian))
 * The Untouchables (Sunday Western Film Theater edition) (Eliot Ness (Kevin Costner))
 * Wayne's World (Wayne Campbell (Mike Myers))
 * West Side Story (1990 TV edition) (Bernardo (George Chakiris))

Live action

 * Onna Tachiguishi-Retsuden (Narrator)
 * The Uchōten Hotel (Dabudabu Duck (voice))

Tokusatsu

 * Bakuryuu Sentai Abaranger (Densuke Hamazaki (voice))
 * Ultraman: Towards the Future (Lloyd Wilder)

Variety shows

 * Shall We Dance?

Drama CDs

 * Antique Bakery (Keichirō Tachibana)
 * Man of Many Faces SHINING STAR (Shigetaka)

CDs

 * Glay's "GIANT STRONG FAUST SUPER STAR" (Doctor Moog)

Commercials

 * Toyota Ractis

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apparently
according to shrek wiki, he dubs the role of Donkey. Masterball2 (talk) 17:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)


 * That's not a reliable source. Try to find mentions of this role in official or at least reliable, Japanese-language sources. --Tempjrds (talk) 01:24, 3 April 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 3 April 2022

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory   (talk •   contribs)  22:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Kōichi Yamadera → Koichi Yamadera – According to WP:JTITLE, articles about Japanese people should use the romanization used officially by the person and their agency, unless another romanization clearly dominates in reputable English texts.

"Koichi Yamadera" without a macron is used on his agency's site, JFDB and the English posters and press notes for films and series including Lupin III: The First, A Letter to Momo, Appleseed XIII, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex – Solid State Society, and Angel Heart, as well as on Netflix.

I can see that a discussion about moving the article back to "Koichi Yamadera" was started before, 15 years ago, but the process was blocked by people who either didn't understand the rules or were willfully ignoring them because they disagreed with the rules. Disagreeing with the rules is a valid stance, but if you think the rules are wrong then you should try to get the rules changed, not block people who are just following what the rules currently are. All that does is reflect badly on oneself. Tempjrds (talk) 01:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 21:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: WikiProject Biography has been notified of this discussion. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 21:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Comment The move rationale is solid and if it weren't for a previous discussion on the move I would have supported without a second thought. However, since there was a previous discussion on this, I would like to ping the still-active major participants from the previous discussion for their input if possible before giving any definitive position. Link20XX (talk) 22:36, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support. I have no problem with it being moved as long as all the appropriate redirects are in place. ··· 日本穣 ·  投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 02:03, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Support per above. Rreagan007 (talk) 19:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Racism
How do we add his history of racism? Every time I list it seems to get deleted and yes there’s video evidence of this 108.30.129.171 (talk) 13:04, 7 May 2022 (UTC)