Talk:Kondor-class minesweeper

Danish WP:BLP1E
http://www.284.dk/slaget%20ved%20gedser.htm (original Danish methinks) http://www.navalhistory.dk/English/History/1945_1989/SlagetVedGedser_1980.htm (translation in English)

The above info is a pair of blog-posts, but the blog-texts are republished (with permission! what is the internet coming to!) from the following publication:


 * Marinehjemmeværnet 50 år 1952-2002, by Jacob Wisby and Helle Kolding (ed.), Forlaget Wisby & Wilkens, Viborg 2002.

The photos in the pieces clearly show Komet, one of the Kondor-class vessels.

There are also photos of three or four newspaper-clippings, from the aftermath of the collision-event with MHV 94. I could not see the mastheads/years, but then, I don't speak Danish.


 * 1)  Hjemmeværnskutter jaget og påsejlet
 * 2)  Hjemmeværnskutter vædret af Østtysk spionskib
 * 3)  Hjemmeværnskutter påsejlet af krigsskib fra Østtyskla...
 * 4)  Marinekutter fra Sønderborg påsejlet af ...minestryger

Neat story, as a bonus. :-)   &mdash; 74.192.84.101 (talk) 03:35, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

books
There are three books listed as direct sources on projekt891.de, which is a fansite dedicated to the Kondor. One place gives a page-number, for the first book. The fourth book is the "owner's manual" for the vessel methinks.


 * 1)  ((East German Navy:  German naval forces during the Cold War)), Volksmarine der DDR: Deutsche Seestreitkräfte im Kalten Krieg.  1999.  by Friedrich Elchlepp, Walter Jablonsky, Fritz Minow, Manfred Röseberg.  360 pages.  Verlag E.S. Mittler & Sohn, Hamburg-Berlin-Bonn.  ISBN 3-8132-0587-8 paperback, ISBN 3-8132-0715-3 other.  On page 231, "Verbleib der Schiffe und Boote nach Auflösung der VM"  ((fate of ships after dissolution of the volksmarine)) ... Uruguay is listed as acquiring three Kondor-II class minesweepers.
 * 2)  ((Ships and Boats of the East German Navy)), Schiffe und Boote der Volksmarine der DDR , by Manfred Röseberg , ISBN 3-935319-82-7 , Ingo Koch Verlag Rostock , 2002
 * 3)  ((The other German Navy)), Die andere deutsche Marine , by H.Mehl / K.Schäfer , Motorbuch Verlag , Stuttgart , ISBN 3-613-01675-3
 * 4)  ((Military Tech series:  Minesweepers and Ramming-ships)), Heft Minensuch- und Räumschiffe , Reihe Militärtechnische Hefte , by Bernd Oesterle , 1983 , Militärverlag der DDR , Berlin

HTH 74.192.84.101 (talk) 03:35, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

good places to hunt for additional WP:RS
Roland Arnold, http://archive.is/1XMQZ ==  http://www.projekt891.de , Geschichte eines Schifftyps, Modellbau , MSR-kurz Uwe Galepp,  http://www.galepp.com  ,  umfangreiche Seite über LTS /KTS der VM Klaus Gaeth  ,  http://www.schnellboot.net  ,  TS / RS und mehr Rainer Glatzel,  http://www.beepworld.de/members33/seemann1978/ind ex.htm  ,  Kondor II, Marinezeit, Peenemünde Olaf Liebeskind,  http://home.arcor.de/olafliebeskind"  ,  UAW - Parchim, Marinezeit,Modellbau Roberto Roth  ,  http://www.kssberlin.de.vu   www.robertoroth.de  ,  KSS Berlin u.a. zur Marine Marinekameradschaft Bug 1992 e.V.  ,  http://www.mkbug.de l  ,  http://www.battleships- cruisers.co.uk/maltese_navy.htm Nauticteam Gozo (Heike Merz und Thomas Zurawski)  ,  http://www.nauticteam.com  ,  A2

Thanks for improving wikipedia, folks. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 03:35, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Kondor name
I haven't found any clear explanation in sources, if Kondor class name was original GDR name, or NATO code, but I am convinced this is NATO code only. Most books just treat it as German class name, which is suspicious, considering, that Warsaw Pact countries in general revealed as little names of military equipment as possible, even in own military press. Moreover, there are no other NATO code names for Kondor, Hai, Krake, Frosch, Libelle, Parchim etc classes. It doesn't seem likely, that GDR revealed these names right after commissioning, so that NATO could use them properly ;) And names like Kondor I, II, Frosch I, II are too similar to names like Kresta I, II... Pibwl &larr;&laquo; 14:19, 26 January 2021 (UTC)