Talk:Konnan

older comments
this meets GA criteria; but can still be improved by more clearly separating reality from fiction e.g. "he betrayed his tag team partner", make clear this is kayfabe to distinguish it from real facts in the same paragraph. Zzzzz 18:52, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Requested move
Charles Ashenoff → Konnan – He has used the name "Konnan" consistently since at least 1991, and has released films and music albums under this name. Naming the page "Konnan" will avoid controversy over whether the page should be at "Charles Ashenoff" or "Carlos Ashenoff" (he is a Hispanic-American). Moving the page will allow more direct linking and lessen redirects. McPhail 19:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Voting

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 * Support Seems an ideal solution! --Lox (t,c) 21:06, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Moved. &mdash; Nightstallion (?) 09:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Shoot Interview as a source
I probably should have brought this up earlier but Konnan has a reputation for twisting the truth to make himself sound better. If he doesn't like somebody, he'll exaggerate or even make up things to one up them. That 58,000 audience figure doesn't sound right either.--Darren Jowalsen 02:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Finishing and signature moves
Shouldn't it have it's own section? I've moved it before, but someone moved it back.Yugioh73036 00:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)Yugioh73036


 * read the featured article candidation.. they dont want information in section the want it to be placed with the text in these stat box like things --- Paulley


 * Bleh. IMO that table should be changed somehow, because "Move name: Crucifix powerbomb | Description: Crucifix powerbomb" doesn't look right. --> So sayeth  M  e  t  h  n  o  r Sayeth back|Other sayethings


 * Yes i does need improvement i agree but we have to get a better in text table created to fit the move and manager sections into--- Paulley

Also why is it in the middle instead of at the beginning or end?Freebird Jackson 20:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * because it has to look like its itergrated into the article and not a section of it --- Paulley

Can someone please stopping the boxes on the article. The table should be changed somehow or removed, because "Move name: Crucifix powerbomb | Description: Crucifix powerbomb" doesn't look right. It shouble be put in normal finishers and signatures wrestling list
 * If it has its own section, then the article will never be a FA. Yes, it needs to be redesigned, but it will not, I repeat will not be given its own section in this article. When a working format is discovered, then all of the others will be reformatted to that design. This article is the guinea pig. --  The  Hyb  rid  01:24, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I like it looking seperate, because this is just...weird —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.241.214.74 (talk) 13:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Military service
I deleted a section where it stated Ashenoff served in the Persian Gulf and "Ashenhoff resigned his commission.". He was enlisted not an officer and therefore never received a commission. I'm not sure how he was discharged, but it was not via resignation/of his own option.--DrRisk13 21:11, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

WHO??
"He was given a choice of either going to jail, or entering the Military."  by who?--Henning Ihmels 16:46, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Presumably the judge.

AAA
Konnan is also in AAA bringing in wrestlers from TNA Wrestling and other promotions, he acts like The Outsiders and disrepspects wrestlers in AAA, claiming they're bailarinas, he has joing forces with LLL which is a stable that tries to take over AAA -Prince Bee

In the artcile about Juventud Guerrera on here it claims Konnan still denies defecating in Guerrera's bag. This should be reconciled and whichever article is incorrect should be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.214.47.190 (talk) 21:09, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

In recent news interviews...
...he's been repeatedly introduced as "Carlos Ashenoff." Should the lead to this article perhaps be changed? Nosleep1234 21:40, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Cleaning Up References/Footnotes/Notes
Since this article has a bunch of references, I think it should be cleaned up with the following:

For an example of it use see The Simpsons Movie.

But due the way the citation in the footnotes are setup, it leaves a blank box.

Mr. C.C. 06:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

GA Disputed
I have not nominated this article at WP:GA/R because overall it is a good article. However, there are two areas that need to be addressed in order for this article to retain GA. First, which is noted in the section above, the references need to be cleaned up. The style used doesn't matter, but all available information needs to be included. See WP:CITE. Second, the article goes in and out of universe. This needs to be corrected. It needs to be clear that he wrestled storylines. I haven't read all the promoted articles listed on the PW project page, but I know many, if not all, of the others I've read mention kayfabe, which this one does not. If issues aren't addressed, the article will be listed at WP:GA/R where others will read the article and determine whether or not it meets the criteria listed at WP:WIAGA. This could result in the article being delisted. Drop a line on my talk page if you have any questions or need help with anything. Regards, Lara  ♥Love  18:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

DOB
Konnan's DOB is listed separately in the article as January 6 and June 6. Which should it be? Poker Flunky (talk) 16:51, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Personal life
Hi, this is a warning that the personal life information in this article is much too short (its also hard to tell what is real and what is wrestling storyline). Any biography that is of GA standard must have at least one well organised paragraph describing the persons life outside of their field for which they are famous or otherwise incorporate that information elsewhere in the text. This article does not provide enough information on the person in question and does not give enough context for the incidents and information that is mentioned. For an example of how such a section might look, see Brian Urlacher and for pointers on how to expand and improve the section, see this guide. If this information is not improved then this article would be unlikely to survive a Good Article Reassessment and may well be delisted in the future. Thanks--Jackyd101 (talk) 10:40, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I thought he had some pretty significant health issues a few years ago. So bad, in fact, that I came to this article checking to see if he'd passed away. Is this worth mentioning in the article?

Luchas de Apuestas record
Shouldn't that be posted on his page like with other Luchadores?98.204.186.88 (talk) 23:24, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Fundamental problems here...
I've tried to copyedit this, but there's some problems. There are over 30 references to one article (Milner on SLAM!), and the material referenced isn't in the article, such as the birthday debut, and some of it isn't clear, as it appears he was a boxing champion in the Navy here, but not until after he left the Navy according to the article. Moreover, his birthday is an issue - Milner says June, and another source says January. On top of all that, the article is a chronological mess. Konnan debuted for UWA in '87, left to go to AAA in '92, and yet somewhere in there he debuted for WCW in 1990 and WWF in 1991, then was in AAA and WWF concurrently, then ECW, then WCW again, ended up in TNA, "left TNA" to go to AAA in 2004 while still being involved in angles in TNA until 2007, etc. This is going to need a rewrite just to make sense, so I'm going to pull the GA for now and start doing some research. MSJapan (talk) 02:22, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the article is not chronological, instead each fed gets their own !ittle box to put info in. I never liked that approach iin general and here it is really confusing, shifting to a chronological narrative I stead of fed-lables would really help. I think the jump to GAR is premature, everything could be addressed in a couple of days I am sure.... And if the article is trimmed a little that is not a bad thing.  MPJ  -DK 02:43, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

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