Talk:Kool Keith/Archive 1

DrO
Dr. Octagon was a major milestone in KK's musical career. Granted its an alias but the most popular by a long shot!

bear witness
In notable lyrics there is listed "creating rap music cause I never dug disco". I presume this is taken from the song "bear witness' on the dr octagon cd. This was actually said by Chuck D and the line was then scratched throughout the whole song. Does this still count as a kool keith lyric? Or did he say it himself on another song?


 * Shouldn't be considered a lyric @ all! 192.60.35.185 17:07, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Never seen a leather jacket with lights in the back of it
i would love to get more personal info on keith. he is not very public so its difficult to find out much about him. regardless of any personal info he will still be the best artist ever.

Wikified
Doctor Octagon 03:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Wikify Performance Task
I suggest someone better wikify the Performance Aliases section. Ex: Keith Matthew Thornton is his real name. Doctor Octagon 17:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Exxon: He gave out cards at shows...

Ced Gee
I started up a ced gee article. If anyone knows anymore than what I got than could you please share some information. Thnx. If you dont know who he was, he was part of Ultramagnetic MC's —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MC Bucky (talk • contribs) 04:30, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

mmm chill
yeah.. this page give a fair insight into keith most others just make him out to be sum kind of x-men charecter. dont forget his collaboration on the the smut peddlers 'stank m'cs' and his 'thug or what' single released on eastern conference. and i duont know how any one could evr say keith is homosexual he's the most homophobic rapper ive ever heard.

Discography
I think the discography should be split to another page (as with other artists who have large discographies)... This would also allow for more growth and the inclusion of guest appearances and single releases, rares, etc. Keith has been releasing tracks for about twenty years now and looks to have no intention of stopping any time soon. He's always been prolific and only seems to be getting more so. He's a fantastic artist, and there isn't a particularly accessible master list of everything he's done. I think we could start one.

'Space and Mars' Term, not widely used outside of the USA (?)
The section about Dr Oct. being an industry tool is poorly defined, I think I get what it is hinting at, but is not written in plain English. Suggests needs to be re-worded so accessible to people not familiar with the vocabulary of the genre or his work. 81.171.139.126 10:24, 4 October 2007 (UTC) Pyllis

Mentally insane
At a point in Thorton's life he was diagnosed with a brief split personality. This split personality is known as "Dr.Octagon" as you may have heard in his albums. He belives that he is this person and made an album of what he has gone through —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.33.44.13 (talk) 19:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Biography
Biographies on Wikipedia should be 100% original, not copied directly from other websites. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 09:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC))

Aliases
Im putting back the aliases section because there's actually a pretty good reference here that would make it easier to sort things out. Maybe it could use some formatting or something.69.230.48.228 (talk) 02:27, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Can we actually get something on this page? Thanks. Ianseconds —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ianseconds (talk • contribs) 12:29, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

^I put up an Aliases section but it keeps getting deleted, the reason being "Rv unsourced material/trivia." But i pulled it off Keith's site...206.135.17.22 (talk) 00:20, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You're trying to make half the article be about various aliases he has had. Please read WP:HTRIVIA regarding trivial information. Also note that you've copied that info into Wikipedia directly from that web page which is a violation of copyright. I've left the rest of the section intact, which mentions that he does have aliases, and the reference which points to the source page (by the way read WP:SPS regarding using the subject's page as a reference). But I deleted the copyrighted stuff, you can't just copy things into Wikipedia from elsewhere (see WP:COPYVIO). --  At am a chat 16:47, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter how long the Aliases section is, this isn't a book it's a website. MF Doom's page has a list of aliases, it makes sense to have one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.135.17.22 (talk) 22:51, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, Ibaranoff decided unilaterally that the aliases should not have their own section and won't discuss the matter. Since I don't care one way or the other I'll let their changes stand unless someone else objects. --  At am a chat 19:05, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It falls under the line of trivia. The notable aliases are discussed in the main biography. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 19:00, 21 January 2009 (UTC))

The Nation of Gods and Earths
This article previously categorized Thornton as being associated with The Nation of Gods and Earths. I could only find one result on Google Books connecting Thornton with the Nation, To the Break of Dawn: A Freestyle on the Hip Hop Aesthetic, and it doesn't refer to Thornton as being a member. The book's reference to Keith is in connection with Thornton's use of abstract, science fiction-based lyrics, while discussing the lyrics of Rakim. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 05:00, 25 February 2009 (UTC))
 * Removed the category again. Please don't make statements that cannot be factually verified. (Ibaranoff24 (talk) 16:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC))

More vandalism.
I removed the sentence, "Keith is resident rapper at the Large Hadron Collider at Cern, Switzerland.". I wish it was true, but it's not.Lily20 (talk) 01:41, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Untitled
Folks, this article needs some work. There is no way Dr Octagon is Kool Keith's first 'notable' post-Ultramagnetic venture, as claimed here. There was the Cenobites album, for one thing, before then. The line 'every rapper on a label should resign and quit' was sampled by Company Flow if you're interested in influence. Really, the whole fuck major labels attitude of mid- late- 90s underground rap in New York can probably be traced in part to Keith's influence. That aside, lame article for somebody really important. User:Anonymous

I edited out the section about Keith being a homosexual, but it showed up again. This if false for two reasons, first because there are absolutely no references to this on the entire Internet(I looked), and second because Thornton makes (or made) low-grade porno that featured women only. He is not a homosexual, and this was probably placed by someone who doesn't get what Keith is doing and wanted to call him "whack." This line is detrimental to the Kool Keith biography, and Wikipedia in general. It's just plain false. User:Anonymous 8:45, 1 Jan 2006 (EST)

If nobody has any objections, I may move this page to Keith Thornton one of these days. Cheers, Iroll 03:06, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Generally articles about people should be named with the person's most well known name, regardless of if it is their legal or given name. I made a redirect at Keith Thornton; I think the article should stay at Kool Keith.  ~leif &#9786; HELO 04:45, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * I agree with Lief. I've consistently seen names with the pseudonym of the person being used to name the article if the pseudonym is

the way they are primarliy known to the public.

just saw this posted on grandgood blog... www.nogatco.com - octagon backwards, with photos/video of kool keith operating on an "alien" :) --timeheater 04:38, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Born c. 1965 in Bronx, NY.

I don't know much about Dr. Octagon, but wouldn't it deserve its own page? Dan the Automator and others are part of it too, I think these deserve mention. It could go in the Keith page, but I've seen more trivial things than this end up as their own pages here. (Cross-post from Dr. Octagon discussion)

- Someone should elaborate on Keith's feelings toward the first Octagon project. When I first started listening to him, the only explanation I ever found for his unwillingness to work on another Octagon project was that the first "wasn't funky enough." However, I've since read a lot about certain issues, from him simply not liking people to focus on just one album to Keith and Kurt not being credited properly by Dan Nakamura and Dreamworks. There's an interesting interview at The Onion's AV Club which could be used as a source.

Also, there needs to be more evidence about his career as a gourmet poultry chef (in the British tradition), or I will be forced to remove any statements about aforementioned chef-ery, no matter how funny/delicious it is. 15:58, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

ULTRA
KEITH has previously collaborated with Tim Dog in Ultramagnetic MCs. His album with TIM DOGG (not just a single) is called BIG TIME. MOTION MAN also appears. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.67.183.64 (talk) 20:58, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

ULTRA
KEITH has previously collaborated with Tim Dog in Ultramagnetic MCs. His album with TIM DOGG (not just a single) and produced by KUTMASTA KURT is called BIG TIME on FUNKY ASS/THRESHOLD RECORDS. MOTION MAN also appears.70.67.183.64 (talk) 21:03, 28 March 2011 (UTC)MArch 28, DJ PLAN

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