Talk:Korea University/Archive 1

The below is an archived discussion. For current discussions, please see Talk:Korea_University.

Edit war at Yonsei University?
Someone (presumably someone from Korea University) has been reverting edits to Yonsei University. Why do people keep deleting comments about Yonsei being one of the best in Korea? If it's someone from Korea University, I'd like it if you would take your rivalry some place else. --KJ 13:22, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
 * About a year ago, comments about Yonsei University were partly modified. Previous comments wrote, 'Yonsei is the second best university in Korea.' Someone changed the sentence into 'Yonsei is the third best university in Korea.' I don't know whether the 'war' is designating it or not, but 'second best' was not an appropriate expression for Yonsei. They should have chosen another word not to cause that war. 20:53, 19 December 2005
 * I agree 'second best' was not appropriate, but blaming others for causing a war is pointless, IMHO. What I'm saying is, please don't delete comments about Yonsei University. I'll try to warn User:tyopp not to vandalize the Korea University article. --KJ 03:21, 23 December 2005 (UTC)
 * He has already been warned. Let's hope similar edits don't happen. --KJ 03:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

How could you so sure that it was commited by the person from Korea Univ? Actually, someone maliciously has changed and deleted the contents and pictures for Korea University, as well as adding controversial data which was posted to harm Korea University. I assume that it was done by persons from either of Yonsei or Hanyang university. Here is the place where people from global world gain information. Stop doing ugly acts.
 * Because someone told me that 211.176.84.6 was from KU. Special:Contributions/211.176.84.6 shows you that person also deleted comments about SKKU and HU. --Kjoonlee 16:53, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 163.152.102.254 has the same editing patterns, and his IP is from the KU campus. Special:Contributions/163.152.102.254 --Kjoonlee 17:00, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, here's the real link. Special:Contributions/163.152.44.75 was the editor from 2004. From KU. --Kjoonlee 17:09, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

rankings
I have been puzzled by recent edits by User:Patriotmissile, who has continuously removed sourced content from the text of the article. As far as I can see, the rankings in the text have been there for a long time and make the grade as far as WP:SOURCE and WP:V are concerned. The user has not answered my cordial invitations to explain the user's edits -- User:Patriotmissile doesn't bother using edit summaries. And in a bizarre turn, the user has launched some random accusations in a thread above this one. Please attempt to gain consensus and explain your edits. :-) Thank you. Mumun 無文 17:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

re: Cordial invitation in my axx! I can't believe what you've done in this thread for a long period. Bizzare accusations? I have no doubt that you're an alumni of either Yonsei or Hanyang University. It is pretty easy to obtain malicious information to ceratin target. If you don't stop screwing aroung this thread, I definitely can mess up the thread for either Yonsei University or Hanyang University w/ so-called authentic evidences with numerous links. Shame on you, User:Mumun man|Mumun 無文! I can't give decisive identification who really you are, though I have a strong belief, but how about spending your lousy times in your work, rather than striving to disgrace Korea University.

I do know you have tried to add some malicious contents to the Korea University thread by adding the completely absurd lines referring 'Korea University students are notorious for heavy drinking???'. Other than that, you have tried erase contents you hated here several times. I really can devastate Yonsei or Hanyang University thread as the way you did. Don't forget it, worthless scum.

Listen, Patriotmissile, I am arthurhahn, the primary editor of Hanyang University. It seems that there's a lot of misunderstandings between Korea Univesity and HYU. As you know, It's wrong to make unverified claims at wikipedia, especially the reason is based on something like revenge. Moreover, It looks like you are not quite sure which side you are against. Yonsei OR Hanyang Univ? Please don't judge people by weak assumption. On behalf of HYU students, I guarantee NO MALICIOUS CONTENTS were and will ever be written by people from HYU. I am politely suggesting you to stop this ugly edit war (Although I've never been at war, since I've been always defensive). Arthurhhan 20:52, 29 Aug 2007 (UTC)

Let me tell you one thing, Arthurhhan. The other day, I found someone add lines that contain malicious contents about Korea University, and what on earth strangely, I found the simialr phrases with a nearly identical grammar structure linked to the same website as a reference, which remark beneficial contents to Hanyang university were added to the thread for Hanyang University. Do you want us to believe it was nothing but coincident? Who do you think you are, Arthuthahn? Are you the representative of Hanyang University? Ok, then I will ask one quick question first. What made you visit this thread (talk:korea university)? Unless you are not involved in this kinda ridiculous editing war, I am desperately curious about how you got into this thread, which is obviously nothing to do with Hanyang University. Is this just another coincident? Have you ever seen any comments made by Korea University students in the Hanyang university thread? Are you the commander of all Students and alumni of Hanyang University? Can you supervise every single people from Hanyang University by yourself? What could possibly put you in the position in which one can makes such confident guarantees? Have you known that your Hanyang university poeple often make malicious propaganda to Korea University even on the website for Korea students in abroad, such as gohackers.com? You can check who started that idiotic acts there if you want.

In addtion, what makes you believe that KU students pay attention to Hanyang University? I haven't even searched Hanyang University in Wikipedia before I recognized this kinda dirty acts. I am well aware of notorious hooliganing committed by your people in Hanyang university through out the myriad Korean websites, but this is sick and insane acts in terms of global accessibility. I tell you what. If you guys stop doing this unspeakable acts, then I definitely promise you that I won't even have an ounce of interest on Hanyang University. Otherwise, I have no choice but to retaliate 1000% as you guys did to us. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Patriotmissile (talk • contribs).

This is my answer for the lines posted by Arthurhahn beneath this paragraph.

First of all, I don't think all those previous harmful revisions in the Korea University section have been done by a singleman, Mumun man'. You may know already that Mumun man has been retired, but I found another malicious comment referring KU students are notorious for their bad drinking habbits in the Korea University section just yesterday, and erased it. Moreoveer, only because 'Mumun man' hasn't left any note in the Hanyang University thread, you can't exempt the possibility of his being one of your HYU students of alumni. It seems that you've been active here for a long time, enough to know that there's no trace of identification of revisioners in the body the thread itself unless you happen to know the ID of someone who actually revises the articles. So it plausibly doesn't make sense you have met my ID first from the traces of revisions in HYU section.

As I told you, judging from the situations I explained, it is really hard to accept your idea that the incidents I mentioned were completely coincident. I am the one who'd like to maintain peace, and put an effort to make positive contributions. I am the one who despise all those silly propaganda on which the threads one is nothing to do with. I hardly can believe that there are Korean people who try to trounce other Korean university even on the global websites like this one. This is not just the matter of disgrace of one university, but pandemic disaster and shame to all Koreans.

I've been here just for a couple of weeks, but I had to fix and remove the malicious contents and falsifications about KU almost every other day. Honestly, though it is against spirit of Wikipedia, but I hope this KU section is freezed to prevent all these moronic acts. I came here to fix falsifications and add positive comments to our nation, South Korea, at first, and I'm asking myself why the hell I should spend my times doing this kinda unintended completely wasting matters. As I have behaved, I won't ever do any offensive acts unless we are infringed first. I hope I can trust what you've guaranteed, and in case your guarantee is valid, I also guarantee you that I won't make any act to your HYU thread. That's the bottom line I can tell you. By the way, what evidence are you referring? If it indicates the evidence of pandemic hooliganing done by Hanyang University students, then I would like to ask you to ask your conscience first.

Answering your questions; what made me visit this thread:

I came here because Patriotmissile(who I presume, wrote the reply above) had left various unverified or unencyclopedic claims at HYU page.(i.e. HYU is generally regarded as mediocre one, HYU failed to be within Top 200 ranks... etc.) so I searched contribution list of Patriotmissile and I figured out this man is related to Korea University... Perhaps a KU student. So that's how I got involved in this page. There's absolutely no possibility I visited this page for the purpose of hooliganing. (For crying out loud, I came in peace!) Judging from your tone of voice, It sounds like you had been a long time at the war against hooligans. Sorry to hear that.

May I carefully suggest my opinion? It is belived that 'Mumun man' is the one who keeps to make several derogatory remarks against KU. Am I right? but I searched the History tab of HYU page and he never wrote any article, not a bit of word. I think if he were a HYU student, he could have left his footprint at least once. But as the record proves, there's no trace of him. So he might have used 'identical grammar' akin to the one from that website just for a coincidence, believe me, just a real, ugly fat chance of coincidence...

I'd really appreciate if you let me see the website and give me evidences. I think we are all reasonable people and we can work this thing out. Arthurhahn 15:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Reconciliation
You're welcome! Patriotmissile. I think you are quite reasonable. As you see, soon the fall semester begins, and we have to focus our power on studying and stop wasting our valuable time to this silly affair. I recognize Korea University and KU students, since KU is the one of the oldest schools in Korea, and has a good academic reputation. However, that respect comes with a price. That's why there are so many preposterous attacks against KU.

Sometimes, you have to get over it and neglect all those idiots. The same principle applies sincerely acknowledge your. to me, too, since we are students, not idiot cleaners. So I'm gonna give you a tip. If you find out there's a stupid allegation, you can just undo the thing. You could see the undo button at the history tab of the article, and add the page to your watchlist. (check the watch tab) you can moniter the whole thing and can detect every change being made. Arthurhahn 15:11, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I think you've just deleted some portion of the paragraphs above. I knew the reason because you might have thought you've reached the maximum character number so you've tried to remove some words. Your guess was wrong; you have to make signatures in order to write more. Just put four tide marks (~) in a row at the end of your writings. That makes a signature. Thank you. Arthurhahn 15:20, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Arthurhahn,

Most of all, I personally apologize for my previous revisions on the thread you are in charge of w/o permission, regardless of causes. Probably, you might have noticed already that I am not well acquainted with operating Wikipedia. My sojourn in Wikipedia has started since barely several weeks ahead as far as I remember. As you can observe from my history, my main concerns in Wikipedia are far away from this kinda derisive conflictions. I concur you that we all should focus on what we are assigned to do in accordance to each everyone's stance. In future, I truly hope peace settles down on both KU and HYU threads. No matter how I think over and over again, this kind of confliction is insane, especially in the global websites, inclduing Wikipedia.

I personally want to tell you that I am not the one of those morons who cares about university rank domestically, but I think it is definitely worth to inform the achievements of the universities in Korea to promote global competitiveness. That's the reason why I would like to add positive comments to the thread where I belong. I bet that you may have a similar purpose here.

By the way, I appreciate for your useful tips for Wikipedia usage. It seems that you are proficient in using Wikipedia, so in case your time allows, I hope you can check the other threads sometimes, such as South Korea and Seoul, here, where lots of falsifications and distortions occur frequently by the people you can infer easily. Thank you and good luck. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Patriotmissile (talk • contribs).

I'm much obliged for your sincere apology. I think people should encourage college rankings in a positive way, because we live in a society that allows fair competition possible. I have a vision that Korean universities could form an academic union like the Ivy League. For example, SNU, KU and YU compare with Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. Each KAIST, POSTECH, HYU and SSKU could become MIT, Caltech, UPenn and Columbia equivalents... I believe Korean universities need cooperation and mutual embrace, for a better future.

I hope those short-sighted hooligans should aware of this. They must stop screwing up Korea University as well as other Korean threads. And yet another important thing is that let us not blame the majority for a few pathetic loser's fault.

By the way, Your English is excellent. Your word choice demonstrates that you're highly capable of verbal discussion and issue settlement. We both did a great job. Don't we deserve the Nobel Peace Prize? Arthurhahn 22:35, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, I appreciate much for your generous complement. I was indeed impressed by your fluent and smooth expression in English. However, from the view point of Englsh native speakers, my English is still far crumsy and factitious. I wish you can achieve what you have dreamt while you traversed the pacific. I wish I could make more conversation, but this is not the space for private use, so I may not leave messages anymore. Good luck and best wishes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Patriotmissile (talk • contribs).