Talk:Korean State Railway

I will update this article as soon as I can. Biscuittin (talk) 12:32, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Will be adding text to the line links over the next few days 2Q (talk) 16:16, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Francorail-MTE CSE26-21 further development
There are at least two types of electric locomotives, based on the French CSE26-21. One of them is a small 4-axle locomotive, the other is an articulated one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.190.194.119 (talk) 19:25, 31 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes. The articulateds are the Red Flag 7/Red Flag 2.16 class, the others are the 4000 series, one of which is exhibited at the Museum of the 3 Revolutions. However, while I've seen photos of the one at the museum, I've found only one photo of one "out on the lines" - and in that photo it is in the background, so one can't tell if it's numbered in the 4000 series or the 90000 series. That's the other issue: this 4000 series is not mentioned in Shogun-sama no Tetsudo, so beyond that non-free photo, I have no way to give a proper citation, and if I include the type, a very strict interpreter might classify that as "original research". I think, though, that with a subject like this, on which precious little has been published, without original research the article will remain rather stubbish. I do have enough information collected to be able to write a book (something I have considered), but that's neither here nor there. Thus a question I'd have is this: in the interest of making the article actually be more usefull and complete, should I include such information or not? 2Q (talk) 19:56, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Juche-class high speed train
Nearly nothing is known about the Juche-class high speed train, except the fact that this train actualy exists. Nearly no images are avaiable in the Internet, exepct a postal stamp from late 80s. Technical characteristics remain as an enigma, except the fact that it works from 3000 V DC. The article needs more data about this train. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.148.55 (talk) 15:40, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * On Japanese-language websites I have found a few photos of the Juche-class train. According to Shogun-sama no Tetsudo, it was refurbished in 1998 and returned to service as a commuter train for scientists, running between Pyongyang and Paesanjom. Further, the book mentions that while the DPRK rail network is entirely DC-electrified, the Juche train can operate under DC or AC, and the book suggests that this may have been done in anticipation of operations across the DMZ into South Korea. 2Q (talk) 01:20, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

WTF???
Some weird article claims that there's some electric multiple unit called Red Star built by Kim Chŏng-tae Electric Locomotive Works — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.40.148.55 (talk) 13:40, 31 May 2012 (UTC)


 * This one is puzzling, yes. There's no mention of a 'Red Star' class of EMU in Shogun-sama no Tetsudo, though it's worth mentioning that that book only mentions the Juche class - whereas I've photos of four different types of EMU (not counting one type I've seen only as an exhibit at a museum). Two of these types are two-car trains, not the 7-cars mentioned in the Daily NK article. The third is classified "Chŏngi 500" series, these are ex-Berlin U-Bahn type GI/1 trainsets built by LEW Hennigsdorf; I don't know how many cars are in a trainset, but but knowing the North Korean penchant for redesignating things, it is possible that these trains were redesignated "Red Star" class. The fourth EMU I know of is also a possibility: classified "Chŏngi 1000" series, they're Chinese DK4 type metro trains; like the GI/1 trains, these were converted to operate from catenary, and are in use around Sinuiju and elsewhere in multiple-car sets. If - and I would say this is probably - the conversion work on these was done by Kim Chŏng-tae Locomotive Works, then it's possible that one of these two types was given the "Red Star" designation.


 * It's worth noting, though, that these name-designations can be fairly haphazard amongst North Korean locomotive types. As an example, the 5200-series of electric locomotives - externally very similar - are designated "Red Flag 2" class and "Mangyongdae" class - with the only obvious difference being that the latter are painted red and cream instead of green and blue, and have a "Mangyongdae-ho" text on the side. Another similar case is the 5300 series electric locomotives, which are designated "5.3 Loyalty" class and "3 Revolutions Red Flag" class (though in this case, there is a noticeable difference between the two subclasses, in the shape of the cab windows).


 * So it's all pretty unclear, and of course as questions are answered more are revealed, but there is at least enough known to suggest possibilities as to what that Daily NK article is referring to. I'd probably lean towards this "Red Star" EMU being one of the converted metro types; were it a completely new-build thing, then it'd've been trumpeted by the DPRK media as much as the "Songun Red Flag" class electrics were trumpeted last year. 2Q (talk) 02:02, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Grand Chŏllima March locomotive possibly spotted (?)
A photo taken from inside Kim Chŏng-tae Electric Locomotive Works On this photo a Red Flag 2 class locomotive is being refurbished with some Red Flag 7 locomotives on the right. In a distance there's an unknown brown and red locomotive that differs from all KJT-produced locomotives currently known. If it's not some modification of the Red Flag 7, it can be the Grand Chŏllima March. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.191.206.10 (talk) 19:46, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

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