Talk:Korean alcoholic drinks

makgeolli
what about makgeolli?

Move?
Thinking of moving this to List of Korean beverages, and incorporating non-alcoholic drinks. Thoughts? -- Visviva 10:45, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose. The Korean wines article covers a huge subject, and not in a list format.  Right now it needs some work but could be at least as comprehensive as the Chinese wine article.  Badagnani 11:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm, hadn't thunk about it that way. Guess I'll have to start that other article from scratch. :-) -- Visviva 11:32, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Classification
I've changed around the classification, based mostly on my perusal of the ol' Naver Encyclopedia with occasional reference to other sources. The major changes I made were:
 * 1) Moved "soju" under "distilled beverages," since it is one, and Naver also classifies it as such (증류주).
 * 2) Brought takju and makgeolli together, since every dictionary I can find says they are synonyms.
 * 3) Moved cheongju under yakju, since Naver says it is one (and they do seem to be similar).

Comments, corrections, references welcome. I'm also wondering about the "fruit" and "flower" categories, since those don't seem to be commonly-used classifications. However, I'm no expert on Korean alcohol. -- Visviva 16:08, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Great, this is exactly what was needed. I don't know that encyclopedia but it seems to know its stuff.  Maybe the fruit and flower ones are subcategories of "flavored wines"; I don't know.  But they are each huge categories.  It is very interesting that among the East Asian cultures the Koreans have such a rich profusion of such flavored wines in their tradition.  But since they're not generally available to the public outside Korea, they are little known in the English-speaking world (hence the benefit of an article like this one).  Badagnani 16:23, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Bapju?
Is this the right spelling for "bapju"? 밥주 A Google search for this doesn't bring up much about wines. Badagnani 04:25, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Surely a typo. I remember hearing radio commercials for Gyeongju Beopju. I don't really know what's different between beopju and cheongju, though.. --Kjoonlee 18:37, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Isn't "bap" as in Bibimbap? Badagnani 18:38, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Good guess, but not true! --Kjoonlee 18:43, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Wine?
How is it that distilled liquors are considered "wine"? East Asians, inclusive of Koreans, often use the English word "wine" to denote whatever alcohol they happen to be speaking/writing about. This is so common that it is often accepted as standard. However, it isn’t. By definition many of the drinks listed on this page cannot be classified as wine. This is not the Konglish Wikipage, this is the English Wikipage. Doesn’t it make sense to clean this up and pay a bit more attention to preciseness in the language? Anyone who has ever tasted soju can attest that it certainly is not wine.Repeated use of this fallacy across Wikipages does not make it correct. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.79.62.21 (talk • contribs)


 * It's a good point. For Chinese alcoholic beverages, we use Chinese wine for the main article and Huangjiu and Baijiu for fermented and distilled alcoholic beverages.  Perhaps Chinese wine should be moved to Chinese alcoholic beverages and Korean wine moved to Korean alcoholic beverages.  Badagnani 03:38, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I propose this page is sent to the Konglish dustbin and a new page (or new pages) are created in which a more articulate presentation can be displayed. There is no reason to hobble ourselves with the limitations inflicted by ascribing to Konglish. Distilled liquor is not wine. Wine is not beer. In English we distinguish the definitions, therefore I propose in the English Wkipages we fall back on the rather unambiguous nature of the English language to send us forth in to cyberspace with the ability to distinguish among alcoholic drinks. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.79.62.21 (talk • contribs)


 * Move proposed below. —  AjaxSmack   04:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

To evaluate
Need to evaluate several new ones here. Badagnani (talk) 00:45, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Specifically:


 * 처음처럼
 * 설화
 * 수복골드
 * 군주
 * 국향

Badagnani (talk) 01:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Requested move
Move. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:44, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Korean wine → Korean alcoholic beverages — The article deals with what Koreans call ju which refers to alcoholic beverages in general, not only wine. The article covers almost no true wines and less than half even deals with rice "wines". A majority are distilled spirits (liquors) which are not considered wines. See also previous discussion above and a similar move proposal at Talk:Chinese wine ——  AjaxSmack   04:49, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Survey

 * Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with  or  , then sign your comment with  . Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's naming conventions.


 * Support Renaming the article, per the Konglish argument. This article doesn't discuss wine. But what should it be renamed? I've always thought the English booze comes closest to the Korean sul or ju, but obviously "Korean booze" is not an encyclopedic name for an article... How about "Korean liquor?" Dekkappai (talk) 20:07, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Comments - "Liquor" refers, in English, to distilled beverages, and this article treats all non-beer alcoholic beverages (including many fermented ones). Badagnani (talk) 20:09, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment True. Any better suggestions? I still maintain "Booze" is about the best English equivalent to sul. How about "Korean alcoholic drinks?" Still doesn't sound quite right to me. Dekkappai (talk) 20:14, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Support per suggestion and per arguments on the Chinese wine talk page. It's a misleading and technically incorrect translation and not in common currency.  "Korean alcoholic beverages" is infinitely preferable.  Alexwoods (talk) 20:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Support per the similar discussion on the Talk:Chinese wine. --Appletrees (talk) 00:52, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Any additional comments:

From previous discussion above: "How is it that distilled liquors are considered 'wine'?...This is not the Konglish Wikipage, this is the English Wikipage." The term "wine" is commonly used by non-native Korean speakers of English to refer to ju and this can be credited to a shortcoming of English: the lack of a concise term for all alcoholic drinks/beverage. However, it is misleading to the vast majority of native and non-native English speaking Wikipedia users who are not familiar with this usage whether they assume wine to (narrowly) mean grape wine or (widely) mean any fermented drink. Most Korean jus are spirits (liquors) and almost none are true wines. —  AjaxSmack   04:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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Shochu
Why was "shochu" changed to upper case in this edit when this word is not a proper noun? Badagnani (talk) 02:15, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Indongju (인동주)
Is indongju (인동주) made from the species Japanese Honeysuckle? Badagnani (talk) 00:59, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Etymology of "Sul:"
I went to get rid of the comment regarding the word "bul" (불) because the Hanja 火 is not read "bul" but "hwa" (화). However, someone had already left a comment acknowledging that. Why then does it remain in the article? Unless someone objects I would like to delete it. The cited reference makes the distinction that "su" (수/水) is Sino-Korean while "bul" (불) is not. In all honesty, I would like to delete that whole passage because, as it acknowledges, it is at best a folk etymology (and not a very common one, at that) and thus highly unlikely to be true. Brett (talk) 07:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Your comment seems to make good sense. Badagnani (talk) 22:54, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

What about North Korea's 인풍술?
There's some kind of alcoholic beverage from North Korea called 인풍술 (Inpungsul).

I have no idea if this is a brand name or a type of one of the beverages already in this list.

See a question about in on travel.stackexchange.com. &mdash; 58.160.47.91 (talk) 09:22, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

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Merger proposal
I propose that K-SOOL be merged into Korean alcoholic beverages, as the K-SOOL article starts with the sentence "K-SOOL refers to Korean Traditional Alcoholic Beverages." and the scope of the two articles is identical. --Dallae (talk) 04:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Plagiarism in "Origins"
I found that the first three paragraphs under the section "Origins" were completely plagiarized from this website: http://www.lifeinkorea.com/culture/alcohol/alcohol.cfm?Subject=history. At the bottom of the site it says "No part of this site may be used without prior permission from Life in Local."

My most recent edits were aimed at revising the plagiarized paragraphs so that they were paraphrasing LifeInKorea's information, but as I explored the LifeInKorea site more I realized that it may not be very credible as a source. None of the content on their page is cited at all, even though they provide some very specific historical info.

Should I go about my original plan (rewriting the plagiarized words and finding better citations elsewhere on the internet to support the data) or should most of the content from Origins just be nixed? Thoughts? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pupusa caliente (talk • contribs) 14:43, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

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