Talk:Korn III: Remember Who You Are/Archive 1

Genre, YouTube, MySpace, and External links
First base I want to cover is genre. No, you can not say that this will be a nu-metal album. They said they were going back to their roots, but the lyrics for the album still haven't even been written. You can't determine a genre before the lead singer even hears any material. You just can't. As for the big chunks of information that I removed, that was either irrelevant or badly sourced. Most of it was badly sourced. Stuff like how the "Background" section was mostly just written about the separate members solo projects was irrelevant. This is not an article about the members of Korn's solo projects; it is about their ninth studio album. Also, there was a piece of information about how Korn Kovers might finally be released. That's irrelevant also; this is not an article about Korn Kovers, it's an article about Korn's ninth studio album. Now onto sourcing.

First of all, here are some of the guidelines about reliable sources:
 * third-party
 * published
 * a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy

Is YouTube third-party? Yes. However, is it a published source with a reputation for fact checking and accuracy? Well, it's not published, first of all. Second, anybody can post anything they want, so it's definitely not reputable for its fact-checking and accuracy. Same goes for the MySpace Blogs post: It's not reliable, by any means. Most of this article's information came from I believe these three sources, but as they were unreliable, I had to cut them out, including the now-unsourced information. That's just the way it goes. If you look, blogs.myspace even gets caught in the automatic spam filter if you try to link it. Now let's talk about External links. Is the External links section warranted? I don't believe it is. I have seen many Featured articles without the External links section. When posting some of those links, you have got to ask yourself: why am I posting this link? Very few pages have an External links section (that I have seen), and there is a reason for that: very few pages need them. The good pages that have them make actual use of them; this article doesn't. So, in conclusion, no genre, no YouTube, no MySpace, no Korn Kovers, no solo projects, and no External links. That was a mouthful. -- The Guy complain edits 17:43, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hi there.

First off the solo projects need to be mentioned int the background section, simply stating that they took a 10 month break is in my opinon not enough. The reason to why they took the break and what they did during that time is part of the time leading up to the recording of the album an thereby the should be mentioned in the background section. However going in to great detail about them mignt not be necesarry....

As far as genres go, many things indicate a nu-metal sound, however it can wait until more info and sources are available.

As far as Youtube being an uncertain source, I would partily agree. There is alot that cant be trusted on the tube however in my opinon sources should be evalueated individually, not disregarded just because an interview was posted on Youtube. If a member of Korn makes a statement on an unedited video on youtube there's not to many ways it can be distorted or spun... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.72.56.144 (talk) 18:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree that the solo projects should be mentioned, however I don't think that they should take up 75% of the entire section when they have entirely nothing to do with the subject in question, at all. The recording of Life Is Peachy is an event that preceded the recording of this album, but should we go that far back, and be that irrelevant? No, I don't think we should. That was a bit extreme of an example, but the point is that there should definitely be a limit, and I believe the solo projects exceed that limit. Maybe when the article grows bigger we can elaborate more, but for now we want to flesh out the scant information that we do have, instead of using the solo album type of information as filler. People don't come to an article about Korn's ninth studio album to read about the band members of Korns' solo albums, they come here to read about Korn's ninth studio album. As far as genres go, I do agree with your rendition. They said that they are going "old school" and old school for Korn is more nu-metal-ish. However, the band themselves denies even being nu metal. Plus, we are at the mercy of our sources. An article is only ever as good as its sources. We can't put an unsourced genre, even if they say they're going "back to the roots," and the roots are nu metal, we ourselves can not connect those dots and post that opinion. If a reliable source, however, connects those dots, then that might be a bit different. We simply can't do it ourselves, especially considering that the lead singer himself has not even heard any material yet, and that we do not have a record deal to release the album yet. Now for YouTube. I agree; I'm all about sources being evaluated in a case-to-case scenario, and not just generally. I thrive on that idea. However, unless it is an "official" YouTube account, it's an unreliable source. That's that. Nothing we can do about it; it's written in the policies. -- The Guy complain edits 02:26, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Hello folks, so I was the one who orgianlly added most of the stuff, including the parts from the youtube source. This was the video that was mostly used and its seems to be legit (offical website). So I don's see any problem with using that particular reference. The Vimeo video is another thing, since the user only have that particular video on its channel, and havent found an offical website while googleing (only a MySPace and a youtbe account without the Munky interview) I wouldnt call that a reliable source.... Roger Workman (talk) 08:46, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well that's good. This website looks extremely legitimate, so we can obviously cite this without issue, instead of shakily citing these two: 1, 2. I'll re-write the information back in. Thanks. -- The Guy complain edits 13:47, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed the parts about the band releasing the album on their own, since I couldnt find any mentioning of that in any of the references, Munky also dismissed the idea of releasing the album on his own or Korn's label on one of the refernces we agreed not to use. I also added a bit about their current tour aswell as I think it should be mentioned.... Roger Workman (talk) 09:23, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * According to the reference we ARE using, he says they currently aren't signed to a record label, but the pressure was on when they were for the untitled album because they, "wanted to give them their money's worth." He also mentioned that now they're touring and making the record on the band's budget, and not on a record label's budget. -- The Guy  complain edits 13:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Genre
People. We haven't even heard 5 seconds of the album. We should at least wait until we have heard some songs on it. So please, can we not just assume the album is going to be Nu Metal? Thanks. KMFDM FAN (talk!) 16:58, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Requested move (2009)
Korn& → Korn's ninth studio album &mdash; I would move the page myself, but the result has been creation-blocked. The current title, "Korn's Ninth Studio Album", is not appropriate because it's in all capital letters. The words are not all proper nouns, and so should not all be capitalized, hence my desire to move the page to "Korn's ninth studio album". -- The Guy complain edits 20:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I've moved this to "Uncontroversial requests" at WP:RM. Station1 (talk) 21:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I placed it wrong -- I figured it would be considered controversial considering this article has been deleted upwards of twice (hence the creation-block). -- The Guy complain edits 22:07, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It wasn't wrong. It just seemed that since you would have done it yourself (as would I) and it's completely in accord with conventions at WP:CAPS, there's no controversy about the caps in the name. Whether it should exist at all is a completely separate question. Station1 (talk) 22:21, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think the name is fine, since we'll be moving it to it's real tittle sooner or later. KMFDM FAN (talk!) 15:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * This discussion was over almost a month ago, and it resulted in a move. It was simply a move to a title that complied with WP:CAPS, because the previous title was Korn's Ninth Studio Album, rather than its current. The   Guy  (edits) 19:19, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Korn III - Remember Who You Are
Unless properly sourced by a reliable source, all mentions of the title being "Korn III - Remember Who You Are" will be reverted as vandalism. (Though we all can't wait for it to come out, let's not rush it)  TheWeak Willed   (T * G) 16:42, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Why is the album called "Korn III?"
Where is the album called Korn III if there was no Korn II?


 * Ask KoRn! It is for many reasons, among which: It is their 3rd album with producer Ross Robinson, It is their 3rd album recorded "old skool" with 2 inch tape and also their 3rd album which they consider in their original style! Hope that helped! :D -Ottsworth (talk) 18:37, 22 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You might want to find some sources for all that and add it to the article. I too found myself asking, "where is Korn 2?" and I am sure others will feel the same way. Fezmar9 (talk) 22:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Well their first album was self titled Korn, their latest album was Untitled, so it is Korn II, and alas we have Korn III in the making. As wells as what's mentioned above. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.205.114.117 (talk) 10:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Release Date set?
Is "June 2010" now the set release date? It doesn't seem to have a a source or anything, so, can anyone confirm for my peace of mind? -Ottsworth (talk) 22:43, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

It's been announced as June 29, 2010 for a U.S. release on a couple of sites and June 28, 2010 for the U.K. on amazon and play.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.135.146 (talk) 16:22, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Rumoured Track Listing
Wait a sec, where did this "rumoured tracklisting" bit come from? Can someone send me a link? The more knowledge the better! -Ottsworth (talk) 18:39, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

who removed Uber-time? it's been the first track at the listening parties. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.39.79.182 (talk) 15:36, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Requested Semi-Proection
I added the template asking that this article be semi-protected. There has been a lot of vandalism happening by IP addresses, especially around the tracklisting. Users frequently add songs that do not appear on the official listing published by Roadrunner's official site, and they usually contain "funny" titles, such as "Junk" or "I Cry in the Shower Sometimes". I'm hoping this article can be protected to stop these titles from appearing. WereWolf (talk) 03:18, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Have you tried filling out a request at WP:RFPP? Fezmar9 (talk) 05:00, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I have not. I'll do that. Thank you! WereWolf (talk) 15:02, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone made one called Ottsworth is gay. :( -Ottsworth (talk) 16:59, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Vandalism
There is still alot of vandalism in the instrumental section... why wasn't the previous vandalism reverted, who deiced it'd be easier the manually do it? XD I'd change it, but I don't know what it said before... 122.107.131.104 (talk) 05:31, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Name of the album
Everywhere else, (including korn's official site) seems to be referring to the album as "Korn III: Remember Who You Are" Wikipedia is the only place I've seen that uses the - For the sake of proper tagging I think it should be changed to Korn III: Remember Who You Are, to prevent name confusion. Drugyourlove (talk) 22:45, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and changed — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrowzRSA (talk • contribs) 01:34, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Because a redirect is in place, an admin needs to perform this move. It's incorrect to cut what's posted here and paste it into a new article. It's important that the history of edits stay with the article. If everyone is in agreement here, then I can submit a proposal at Requested moves. Fezmar9 (talk) 02:58, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Requested move
Korn III – Remember Who You Are → — Discussion on talk page. Crowz RSA  15:49, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, this may qualify as an uncontroversial request. Isn't use of a colon the proper English way to separate a title and a subtitle anyways? Fezmar9 (talk) 16:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know about albums, but books and other things have colons. Crowz  RSA  22:01, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Closed, uncontroversial move. billinghurst  sDrewth  06:49, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Vocals
Is it worth mentioning this is the third album without Jon's scats? That Random Guy (talk) 05:32, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

Bagpipes
there are bagpipes on this album, its in an interlude, i dont understand why it keeps getting changed, is it not important? i mean there is clapping too, but i dont think that counts as an instrument, id add it if it did. please explain ti to me, im so confused by what counts hahaha. Branden mellay 06:40. 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It keeps getting removed because it's unsourced. While there may be bagpipes on the album, there needs to be a source supporting that it's Johnathan Davis who plays them. The album credits at allmusic only list Davis as a vocalist. Because it has been challenged and continuously removed, this will require a proper source and citation. And the burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Fezmar9 (talk) 02:44, 27 July 2010 (UTC)


 * alright, i will keep my eyes out for a source and keep it off until i can find it. Branden mellay 23:55. 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for understanding. Fezmar9 (talk) 04:23, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Branden mellay (talk) 00:58, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * There are audible bagpipes on "Lead the Parade." (talk) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.29.63.127 (talk) 03:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Genre
While the album is definitely Nu Metal why it is getting labelled as Industrial Metal? The only Industrial Metal oriented album of koRn was See You On The Other Side where Jonathan Davis clearly said it was Industrial-tinged. Nowhere in this album is a sign of industrial metal. So please keep it as Nu Metal/Alternative Metal. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.99.99.67 (talk) 18:29, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

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