Talk:Kory Tarpenning/Archive 1

Doping
(Copied from User talk:86.193.125.21) Hello, I'm Amortias. I noticed that you recently removed some content from Kory Tarpenning without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Wikipedia with an accurate edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry; I restored the removed content. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! Amortias (T)(C) 17:54, 15 October 2014 (UTC)


 * We seem to be engaged in an edit war. While the material about the subject's doping ban does not portray the subject in a positive light, it is strongly sourced in that the national sports governing body continues to publish the fact that a doping ban was served. This addition adheres with the Biographies of Living Persons guideline.
 * Out of respect I will give you several days to locate sources to prove that a doping ban dismissed. I would expect this to take the form of confirmation of an overturning of the doping ban – as it has been proved that a ban was initially given, a hearing to overturn the ban would be mandatory and the only instance in which a ban would be rescinded. There should be some record of this. If no such information is proferred in the coming days, I will restore the information to the article. Thanks. SFB 17:52, 17 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Given the passing of over a week now with no further update. I am going to restore the information we have several good sources for. Can any further objections please be raised at Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard, if required. Thanks. SFB 22:45, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

It would seem from a rudimentary websearch that Mr. Tarpenning is editing his own page from Monaco. Not only is this a Wikipedia violation, but the continued obsfucation of his doping conviction for anabolic steroids, when such conviction is posted on every major athletic site in the World regarding his conviction is ridiculous.

Furthermore, it would seem that he wishes to erase all of his business endeavours of the last 20 years, despite copious sources being available and cited, such as his involvement at the executive level with the disastrous worldsport.com, his involvement with Red Bull and the supplying of its product to athletes, all at the time of the French ban of Red Bull, not to mention his Arabian Gulf ventures. All properly cited, but which he keeps removing from this wikipedia page. In fact he seems to have removed his own companies page in order to hide these corporate adventures.

An admin really needs to get on this, remove his vandalism, and lock the page from his future vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.191.11.248 (talk) 01:18, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2016 This man is editing his own page and hiding real cited information
He was a doper, he was given a two year ban for the use of anabolic steroids. This is listed on every single athletic website in the World, and has been since 1997. He has been playing with this page for at least three years trying to hide this if one looks at the history. Posting a bunch of garbage about Chinese medicine, or an unsubstantiated opinion from a friend of his on a nonworking link does nothing to overturn the IAAF, US Track and Field, USADA, WADA, the IOC or anything else!

He has been editing the page himself - a simple IP search can confirm this, so we are to believe that essentially between 1997 (when he was banned from athletics) and the last year or two he did nothing?

He was a Vice President of the failed worldsports.com (citations were listed) He was in charge of marketing of Red Bull in Monaco for many years, while it was illegal in France and stopped doing so not to long after the ban was lifted, because there was no longer needed the "operation" in Monaco. Again many publicly available sources. Also he was the one providing Red Bull to runners such as Justin Gatlin, and this did contribute in some way to their drug test failing, again this is cited, and repeatedly erased. He did make a JV with an Arabian Gulf company and it did fail. Worse, its not just the failures, the guy is erasing every corporate job/postion/activity that he ever did? Despite dozens of citations available online.

78.191.11.248 (talk) 01:33, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. nyuszika7h (talk) 13:05, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

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ending his career. In recent times he and his supporters from Monaco have repeatedly vandalised this page to cover up this doping. It is listed on all relevant doping websites with none of the caveats that they often cite. He was also involved in the possible doping, or at least the supplying of masking agents to sports stars such as Justin Gatlin in subsequent years.(z15(dot)invisionfree(dot)com/SprintZone/ar/t4801(dot)htm

It is factual

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however, the USATF Doping Hearing Panel and Doping Appeals Board determined, after a positive test on 14 July, 1997, that Mr. Tarpenning, who is in good standing with USATF, was inadvertently administered a prohibited substance by a physician's assistant during treatment for a hamstring injury where the medicine prescribed was a type of cortisone, not an anabolic steroids. The Board, however, found that the strict liability policy per USATF regulations in place at the time of the incident required automatic suspension. In accordance with current regulations, a similar case today would not incur a suspension.

Not only is this untrue, but the citation is bogus and leads noweher and is something made up by Mr. Tarpenning himself. There is no reference to it anywhere in the World, while there are dozens of references to his doping and doping ban for anabolic steroids. x - this needs to be inserted After his career, he joined Worldsports.com as a vice president and presided over their spectacular bankruptcy and many subsequent legal actions regarding fraud and the purported death of worldsports.com founder Alan Callan. Later he was in charge of marketing of Red Bull Monaco. This was hugely successful as in just a few short years, consumption of Red Bull in Monaco was at unheard of levels at over 25,000 cans per resident per year, or as many suspected, this was due to the fact that the vast majority of the product was smuggled illegally to France, as it was banned for health reasons until late 2008. He was also involved in a failed joint venture in the Arabian Gulf to promote sports in 2009, which was wound down in 2013. There are citations for everything, the only non-working link is for his own company which he has crippled seemingly since this Wikipedia kerfuffel. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.191.11.248 (talk • contribs) 23:42, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I'll leave this to someone else to handle. nyuszika7h (talk) 08:49, 20 July 2016 (UTC)


 * Padlock-silver-open.svg Not done: According to the page's protection level you should be able to edit the page yourself. If you seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. VarunFEB2003 (talk) 13:16, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Not so: the request was posted by an IP editor at 78.191.11.248, who can't edit the page as it's semi-protected. You may have been misled by the fact that a comment from Nyuszika7H comes after the request, leading you to misread Nyuszika7H's signature as being attached to the edit request. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:09, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I see I made a mistake. Although the article is now semi-protected, it wasn't at the time the edit request was posted, so VarunFEB2003 was right. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:12, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

Kory Tarpenning was a salaried employee at Worldsport from 1998 - 2000. Tarpenning, like 235 other salaried employees all lost their jobs the day that Worldsport closed the doors and eventually filed for bankruptcy. Kory Tarpenning was never involved with any following legal procedures involving the company. Nor was he involved with any of Alan Callan's personal issues that he may have had going on at that time or any time after. There is no credible source or any public record that can reference this or show that he was presiding over any legal company or personal concerns of Alan Callan because he was never involved with this. Red Bull was legally authorized in Monaco for commercial trade in 2001. Kory Tarpenning was involved with Red Bull in Monaco from 2001 until 2011, well after Red Bull was authorized in France in 2008. Red Bull contains the following as active ingredients to provide energy: 80 mg. of caffeine (slightly more than one cup of coffee), Taurine (a naturally occurring conditionally essential amino acid), glucuronolactone (a precursor to glucose breakdown before providing energy), and B vitamins (known to provide energy). Red Bull does not contain any illegal ingredients according to World Anti Doping list of banned substances. However, at one time, caffeine was a banned substance but only at an extremely elevated level 12 micrograms per milliliter but WADA has since removed caffeine from the banned substance list in 2003. Therefore, prior to 2003, consumption of Red Bull, coffee, or any other caffeinated drink at a moderate volume did not create a risk of passing the threshold of caffeine level; today, no such risk exists. None of the ingredients in Red Bull are banned in international sport nor are any of them considered masking agents and so inferring that Red Bull was a masking agent provided to star athletes or contributing to athletes who eventually had a doping violation is completely erroneous. There is no reliable source that would contradict this. It has never been forbidden to import and consume Red Bull in France. Never. It was only illegal to commercialize Red Bull, i.e. sell Red Bull in France up to April 2008. Red Bull was authorized and legally sold and marketed in Monaco from 2001, as it was in all other European countries with the exception of France, Denmark and Norway. Monaco is part of the French Customs Union and the fact exists that close collaboration with French authorities and respect for the French law was always followed. Red Bull was legally imported and sold in Monaco in all super markets and on-premise establishments. A lot of French consumers did drive to Monaco to purchase Red Bull and then returned to France, where they too, knew that there was no risk of breaking the law by importing or consuming Red Bull in France. At no time was Kory Tarpenning ever involved with selling Red Bull in France before it was legally authorized in 2008. Sirius Group announced a joint venture with a Bahrain marketing company. Shortly after the collaboration was announced and their first successful event in Paris, the Bahraini protests of 2011 created a situation of civil violence and security issues that made it difficult and unsafe to pursue a real development of this venture. However, the relationship still remains active today. Nowhere is there a credible source that references a failed joint venture. Concerning the doping issue, this incident remains referenced in the wiki page; this was not deleted. But additional truthful information was provided in order to provide the entire truth of this incident based on Stipulated Facts researched, checked, prepared, and signed by United States of America Track and Field (USATF) before the hearing of Kory Tarpenning. A final decision by USATF Doping Appeals Panel in 1999 found that Tarpenning was an 'atypical case' who was inadvertently administered a banned substance when the medication prescribed was a type of cortisone and not an anabolic steroid. But based on the strict liability policy of USATF regulations in place at the time, the incident required automatic suspension. In 2003, the World Anti Doping Agency adopted under the article 10.5 of the World Anti Doping Code the removal of the strict liability whereby athletes who establish that he or she bears no fault or negligence shall have his or her penalty eliminated. Therefore, athletes who are inadvertently administered a banned substance and bear no fault or negligence, as in Tarpenning's case, would not incur a suspension under todays code. Tarpenning is in good standing with USATF. x - This needs to be inserted
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format.  MediaKill13  ( talk )   05:07, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Kory Merrill Tarpenning (born February 27, 1962 in Portland, Oregon) is a retired American pole vaulter best known for finishing fourth at the 1992 Summer Olympics in Barcelona, having previously competed at the 1988 Summer Olympics in Seoul.[ http://www.iaaf.org/athletes/united-states/kory-tarpenning-2850 Kory Tarpenning athlete profile]. IAAF. Retrieved on 2014-10-15. &lt;nowiki&gt;  His personal best vault was, achieved in July 1988 in Indianapolis. Aside from his Olympic appearances, he placed fourth at both the 1991 IAAF World Indoor Championships and 1994 IAAF Grand Prix Final. He also competed at the 1992 IAAF World Cup, but failed to register a valid mark. He was a four time national champion in his discipline, having won at the USA Outdoor Track and Field Championships in 1988 and 1989 and the USA Indoor Track and Field Championships in 1991 and 1994. Asked his opinion, around the 1988 Seoul Olympics, on the prevalence of doping in athletics he responded "We know a lot of athletes are using drugs, but they're able to test negatively because they know the system so well". At the 1992 Olympic Tarpenning ascribed his good performance to his use of legal and World Anti Doping Agency approved Chinese herbal medicines, including deer antler and ginseng. Tarpenning tested positive for anabolic steroids in 1997 and received a 2-year ban, however, the USATF Doping Hearing Panel and Doping Appeals Board determined, after a positive test on 14 July, 1997, that Mr. Tarpenning, who is in good standing with USATF, was inadvertently administered a prohibited substance by a physician's assistant during treatment for a hamstring injury where the medicine prescribed was a type of cortisone, not an anabolic steroids. The Board, however, found that the strict liability policy per USATF regulations in place at the time of the incident required automatic suspension. In accordance with current regulations, a similar case today would not incur a suspension. After his career he moved to Monaco and was involved in the opening of the first Starbucks coffee house in the country.


 * Hi If you want something to be edited on this protected page, please use the Edit semi-protected template, instead of the admin help one. Thanks!  Seagull123  Φ  16:19, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * I have replaced the admin help templates with Edit semi-protected ones. This is not a matter which requires an administrator. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 19:05, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. I can't make heads or tails of what's being requested here. Just looks like a copy-paste of text from the article. Feel free to specify request and reactivate this template.  Eve rgr een Fir  (talk) 06:27, 31 July 2016 (UTC)

Wow, does everyone now get to edit their own Wiki page?
The following, has many problems, and was obviously written by Mr. Tarpenning himself:

Kory Tarpenning was a salaried employee at Worldsport from 1998 - 2000. FALSE, he was a shareholder. This was publicly available information, and he often presented himself as a shareholder.

Tarpenning, like 235 other salaried employees all lost their jobs the day that Worldsport closed the doors and eventually filed for bankruptcy. Kory Tarpenning was never involved with any following legal procedures involving the company. Nor was he involved with any of Alan Callan's personal issues that he may have had going on at that time or any time after. There is no credible source or any public record that can reference this or show that he was presiding over any legal company or personal concerns of Alan Callan because he was never involved with this.

'''Tarpenning in Monaco presented himself in public in the ear before the spectacular collapse of worldsport.com including at the Sportel conference presented himself as a co-owner. See Sportel newsletter, from Day 2.'''

Red Bull was legally authorized in Monaco for commercial trade in 2001. Kory Tarpenning was involved with Red Bull in Monaco from 2001 until 2011, well after Red Bull was authorized in France in 2008. Red Bull contains the following as active ingredients to provide energy: 80 mg. of caffeine (slightly more than one cup of coffee), Taurine (a naturally occurring conditionally essential amino acid), glucuronolactone (a precursor to glucose breakdown before providing energy), and B vitamins (known to provide energy). Red Bull does not contain any illegal ingredients according to World Anti Doping list of banned substances. However, at one time, caffeine was a banned substance but only at an extremely elevated level 12 micrograms per milliliter but WADA has since removed caffeine from the banned substance list in 2003. Therefore, prior to 2003, consumption of Red Bull, coffee, or any other caffeinated drink at a moderate volume did not create a risk of passing the threshold of caffeine level; today, no such risk exists.

But it did then, and he was witnessed as providing it in quantity to as many athletes as he could, see reference.

None of the ingredients in Red Bull are banned in international sport nor are any of them considered masking agents and so inferring that Red Bull was a masking agent provided to star athletes or contributing to athletes who eventually had a doping violation is completely erroneous. There is no reliable source that would contradict this. It has never been forbidden to import and consume Red Bull in France. Never. It was only illegal to commercialize Red Bull, i.e. sell Red Bull in France up to April 2008. Red Bull was authorized and legally sold and marketed in Monaco from 2001, as it was in all other European countries with the exception of France, Denmark and Norway. Monaco is part of the French Customs Union and the fact exists that close collaboration with French authorities and respect for the French law was always followed. Red Bull was legally imported and sold in Monaco in all super markets and on-premise establishments. A lot of French consumers did drive to Monaco to purchase Red Bull and then returned to France, where they too, knew that there was no risk of breaking the law by importing or consuming Red Bull in France. At no time was Kory Tarpenning ever involved with selling Red Bull in France before it was legally authorized in 2008.

'''Correct, it was not illegal for individuals to do so, but for companies it was, in any case. It is exactly the same as illegal smuggling of tobacco from Switzerland and Andorra, in which case companies were fined and individuals such as this were jailed, the difference being that all investigations stopped as of 2008, and Red Bull no longer needed this front and soon closed it, it only remained through 2011 due to contractual reasons.'''

Sirius Group announced a joint venture with a Bahrain marketing company. Shortly after the collaboration was announced and their first successful event in Paris, the Bahraini protests of 2011 created a situation of civil violence and security issues that made it difficult and unsafe to pursue a real development of this venture. However, the relationship still remains active today. Nowhere is there a credible source that references a failed joint venture.

''' Nowhere is there any reference that it exists, it was announced seven years ago, has produced nothing and is not mentioned on either companies website(s). For that matter there is no "Sirius" website, as it came down after these things came to light on Wikipedia. So is this all this info being directly supplied by Mr. Tarpenning himself?'''

Concerning the doping issue, this incident remains referenced in the wiki page; this was not deleted. But additional truthful information was provided in order to provide the entire truth of this incident based on Stipulated Facts researched, checked, prepared, and signed by United States of America Track and Field (USATF) before the hearing of Kory Tarpenning. A final decision by USATF Doping Appeals Panel in 1999 found that Tarpenning was an 'atypical case' who was inadvertently administered a banned substance when the medication prescribed was a type of cortisone and not an anabolic steroid. But based on the strict liability policy of USATF regulations in place at the time, the incident required automatic suspension.

''' THERE IS NO REFERENCE TO THIS ! The cited reference on the page is a fake, leads nowhere and a search of the USATF site shows no such information.'''

In 2003, the World Anti Doping Agency adopted under the article 10.5 of the World Anti Doping Code the removal of the strict liability whereby athletes who establish that he or she bears no fault or negligence shall have his or her penalty eliminated. Therefore, athletes who are inadvertently administered a banned substance and bear no fault or negligence, as in Tarpenning's case, would not incur a suspension under todays code. Tarpenning is in good standing with USATF. x - This needs to be inserted

'''This is false and misleading, as is the insistence that he is in good standing with any federation! Much like a murderer is still a murderer, but free to walk the streets and be a member of society after serving his time in jail, a doper is still a doper after serving his time, and in "good standing" (unless he receives a lifelong ban), but does not change the fact that he was a doper and will always be known as a doper. Every single athletic site, references his doping and suspension, IAAF, USATF, IOC, WADA, USADA, etc, but none have any caveats, because there are none. Furthermore as he retired, one can never know if he stopped using the anabolic steroids, even to the present day.''' — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:2000:E190:EE00:84FC:D209:73F5:57DD (talk) 04:17, 3 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Please read WP:TLDR. Of course anyone can edit their own Wikipedia page - this is the encyclopedia that anyone can edit - although editing your own page is discouraged per WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. I agree that this is abysmally written, so you have two options; either wait a couple of hours until the protection is lifted, or ask at the Guild of Copy Editors.-- Laun  chba  ller  12:35, 8 August 2016 (UTC)


 * No sources and most of this comes down to seemingly personal opinion. If you care to do the research and provide reliable sources consistent with our policies then someone will potentially look this over. I suggest you read the following in the meantime: WP:NOT, WP:GNG, WP:BLP, WP:RS, WP:V, WP:NPOV, and WP:OR. Mkdw talk 16:37, 8 August 2016 (UTC)