Talk:Kreisau Circle

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In Popular Culture?
"The Kreisau Circle" forms a large part of the plot of the popular "Wolfenstein" series of games, (Both the Recent 2 games by MachineGames, and a 2009 game by Raven Software). Would this be worth mentioning in the article?

JackStonePGD (talk) 03:12, 15 June 2018 (UTC)

Resistance?
It is really not right to describe the Kreisau Circle as a “resistance group”, given that the circle did not actually engage in any resistance. The circle was an anti-Nazi talking shop who spent time discussing what the sort of government Germany would have after the war. Some of the people involved in the circle had contacts with those involved with plot that led to the putsch attempt of July 20, 1944, but the circle itself was not part of the July 20 plot. Would anybody object if I were to retitle the Kreisau circle as an opposition group, which I think more accurately describes what the circle actually was. --A.S. Brown (talk) 21:56, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Ironically, Helmuth v Moltke is often implicated in the 20 July coup yet makes clear time and again in the letters to his wife Freya (Letters to Freya) that he has no part in this coup. Even "judge" Freisling couldnt find evidence of this. vMoltke stated that his motivation to avoid this (or any of the other) coup was there existed no viable alternative political entity, even after Hitler's death, to fundamentally change the course of Germany.Istvan 22:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Resistance, because they helped the enemy: "The circle worked to inform the Allied forces, especially the United Kingdom, in regard to conditions within the Third Reich and the dangers and weaknesses of Nazism."91.184.64.126 (talk) 16:16, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

Israeli site
This Israeli site: [Haaretz] talks about the death of a German woman linked to Kreisau Circle.Agre22 (talk) 13:47, 4 January 2010 (UTC)agre22

Legacy
A good portion of the legacy section's first paragraph reads like nothing but praise towards the Kreisau circle. At best it reiterates what the article already states, at worst it's biased and doesn't quite belong. I'd be all for deleting it until a reworked, well sourced version is put in place stating the actual perceived impact it had, but (anonymous or not) I just know someone will get the wrong idea if I just went ahead and did that. 87.223.3.46 (talk) 14:07, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Had the same sentiment; these guys seem to have been decent folk, but I feel like this violates NPOV. Aorclippy (talk) 00:36, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Kreisau Circle in "Wolfenstein" video game
Some time ago, I added a trivia section to the article mentioning the following:

In the video game Wolfenstein (2009), the Kreisau Circle is portrayed as an armed resistance faction that supports the protagonist in the fight against the Nazi regime, although it is proven that no armed or militaristic actions emanated from the movement.

Someone removed this part because of trivia although it was clearly marked as such... As @JackStonePGD also pointed out in this discussion, the Kreisau circle is part of popular culture. I think it is worth mentioning this in the article, because the circle is portrayed as ARMED resistance faction, but in reality wasn't armed and didn't follow militaristic actions. Wikipedia would be the right place to clear up this mistake, as this is probably the place where interested persons, who played the game, are most likely to look for an explanation of the historical Kreisau Circle. The search terms "Kreisau Circle" and "Wolfenstein" would then also be linked and lead to this explanation in a web search. Otherwise, a distorted impression of the Kreisau Circle would remain due to the video game.

Lhennen (talk) 09:21, 13 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Good points. The Wolfenstein games are a few years old now, so their relevance to "pop culture" is waning, but even so, more people have probably played those games than heard of the real Kreisau Circle, so a brief mention might be worthwhile. JackStonePGD (talk) 02:11, 4 December 2023 (UTC)