Talk:Kremlin (fortification)

Removed list of politicians
The following list is removed from the article. ''Below is a list of relevant figures of the Kremlin throughout Soviet years:

We are not going to list all persons that sat in the Kremlin, are we? We already have list of Russian leaders, list or Russians(section "Politicians"), etc. Not to say that commentaries to the list could be better Mikkalai 21:30, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Yuri Andropov
 * Lavrenti Beria, head of political repression
 * Leonid Brezhnev, leader of the pacific coexistence
 * Andrei Bubnov
 * Nikolai Bukharin, leftist opposition to Stalin
 * Nikolai Bulganin, economy
 * Konstantin Chernenko
 * Feliks Dzerzhinsky, political repression
 * Mikhail Gorbachev, party reformer
 * Andrei Gromyko, foreign relations
 * Lazar Kaganovich, civil works
 * Mikhail Kalinin, symbolic head of state
 * Lev Borisovich Kamenev
 * Nikita Khrushchev, statesman
 * Sergei Kirov, president of Leningrad Soviet
 * Aleksandra Kollontai
 * Nadezhda Krupskaya, Lenin's widow
 * Vladimir Lenin, leader of the Russian Revolution
 * Maxim Litvinov, foreign affairs
 * Anatoli Lunacharsky, education
 * Georgi Malenkov, party bureaucrat
 * Anastas Mikoyan, trade
 * Vyacheslav Molotov, foreign affairs
 * Sergo Ordzhonikidze
 * Yevgeni Preobrazhensky
 * Aleksei Rykov, interior
 * Grigory Sokolnikov, finances
 * Josef Stalin, Soviet leader
 * Yakov Sverdlov, author of the constitution
 * Mikhail Tomsky, trade unionist
 * Leon Trotsky, Lenin's heir apparent and founder of the Red Army
 * Mikhail Tukhachevsky, military
 * Kliment Voroshilov, army
 * Genrikh Yagoda, political repression
 * Nikolai Yezhov, political repression
 * Andrei Zhdanov, propaganda and aesthetics
 * Georgy Zhukov, army commander
 * Grigory Zinoviev, head of Komintern''

Kremlin vs Moscow Kremlin
That's a lot of links to fix! It would have been better to leave the Moscow one here, and move the others to a Kremlin (disambiguation). To English speakers, "Kremlin" means the Moscow one unqualified; this particular split, despite its good points, is going to be a pain forever. Stan 05:04, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I moved Moscow Kremlin to Moscow Kremlin and I also made the Kremlin redirect there. I think I disambiguated all the links to Kremlin that had to be disambiguated. From now on, Kremlin should be about kremlins in general (plus a list of all Russian kremlins), just like Castle is about castles in general. --Kpalion 12:42, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Should not the beautiful Pskov Krom be included in the list? 142.103.92.191

The Kremlin at Red Square, Russia.
The image of the "The Kremlin at Red Square, Russia." is in fact the Saint Basil's Cathedral and I quote:

"Saint Basil's Cathedral should not be confused with the Moscow Kremlin, which is situated right next to it on Red Square. It is not at all a part of the Moscow Kremlin. However, many publications do make the mistake of calling this structure the Kremlin. The misconception has inadvertently been reinforced by Western television journalists, who have often stood in front of St. Basil's during their reports."


 * Changed it to KREML.jpg, which is a picture of the Moscow Kremlin. 83.253.250.49 (talk) 22:28, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Kremlin not from Flint.
Kremlin (Kreml') all built of wood. Stone fence erected much later. Іn Moscow, Vladimir, Yaroslavl, Kostroma, Nyzhnonovhorod and others provinces had not stone (swampy areas!!). In many areas, stone (flint) no, for swamp (swampy areas). Kremlin - "enclosed garden, garden fortified palisade." (moreover, palisade і garden ("sad") cognate words). Word - Semitic origin (see Carmel). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.95.48.169 (talk) 20:41, 16 September 2012 (UTC) Pskov Krom not Pskov Kreml'. Krom - derived from the Proto-Slavic "Kremiti" (crash, crumble) with whom relevant for Ukrainian "krim"(separate; Czech "Krema", Slovak "Krem"), "kroma"; "kremsati" (crumble), "krihkiy" (fragile) "kremen" -> flint(kremen) brittle and crumble. Wood did not crumble.

In fortified palisade gardens were reduced mansions, palaces (cf. Bakhchisarai - "Garden Palace") wealthy people, and the word was used to denote the Kremlin not only part of the reserve, "best trees", "best wood", "best scaffolding" "belles garden. "

Requested move 2 March 2017

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The result of the move request was: moved. Jenks24 (talk) 17:27, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Kremlin → Kremlin (fortification) – In the English language, the word "Kremlin" overwhelmingly refers to the Moscow Kremlin. Consequently, per WP:AT and WP:COMMONNAME policy, the "Kremlin" title should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Moscow Kremlin and this article about generic kremlins should be renamed to Kremlin (fortification). — JFG talk 16:35, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support move. Good reasoning by nominator.  ONR  (talk) 20:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support per nom. Good observation. There is an argument to be made that it would be valuable and educational for people searching for the Moscow Kremlin with the search term "kremlin" to come upon this article first, and learn about the word and its meaning and history,  but there is no basis in policy, guidelines or convention for such an argument. --В²C ☎ 21:15, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The education of readers about kremlins will be supported by a hatnote in Moscow Kremlin, similar to Thriller (album) or Pravda. — JFG talk 08:16, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Support Clearly the most common name and it will be the least astonishing result. Timrollpickering 23:25, 2 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Interesting that this situation has lasted this long. From its creation in 2001, the Kremlin article was primarily about the Moscow Kremlin, followed by a list of other kremlins.  In 2004, Moscow Kremlin was split off with the status quo nunc persevering until now.  —  AjaxSmack   03:18, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Interesting indeed. A paradox similar to New York but with fewer passionate editors to point out the issue, I guess… Incidentally, do you support or oppose the move? — JFG talk 08:12, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


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