Talk:Krillin

Proposed Merge
I propose that Krillin be merged with List of characters in Dragon Ball. Looking at the article, there is no outside information, and there is little content, besides a very long plot summary. Any relevant information can easily be merged into the list. DBZROCKS  Its over 9000!!!  00:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I support this merge. Since Krillin was given a pass in September 2008, the article has not seen significant improvement, and no notability has been established at all. It is still just an article of excessive plot summary. While some may say there is no deadline, that doesn't mean articles have forever to be fixed and at this point, I say time's up. -- AnmaFinotera  (talk · contribs) 00:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Endorse merge - clearly it hasn't improved much since last year's discussion. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 01:09, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Support There is nothing like a eternal free pass without paying a price. Seems that no one made the required effort to bring the required evidences of notability to secure this article but no none bothered to so. Per consequence i support the merge. --KrebMarkt 12:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment Frieza has less notability than Krillin does and he still has his own page.-- FUNK A MATIC      ~talk   13:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Except that Frieza has established notability. This can be expressed through his appearances in other media section, as well as his reception section. Krillin posseses none of these these sections. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  19:23, 20 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment I've gone ahead and added the needed development and reception sections. It's not much but it's a start. Sarujo (talk) 10:17, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment except without any appearences in other media besides video games, Kuririn just doesn't have enough infomation. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  19:23, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment It was my understanding that these articles thrived alone on their development and reception section. On the Budokai merger discussion you're stating that the only thing that matters was development. Here you're implying that's not the case for with merger. So I'm confused. But if you want more cameos and guest spots, I know where to go. Sarujo (talk) 04:54, 22 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose, I made some quick search and added two reviews to Krillin's article. It seems somebody also added some more. I will be searching for more reception later.Tintor2 (talk) 14:59, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Postpone Merge?
I think, that in light of the work that the article has been recieving as of late, we should hold off on a merge. It seems like required information can be added. However, there should be no objections for us to return to a merge discussion should the article be unable to supply enough infomation to warrent keeping its own article. DBZROCKS  Its over 9000!!!  00:26, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * By how I see it, this article has as much reception as Vegeta. I ll try to add other stuff such as merchandise or more publications, but now Im having some issues with my computer which avoid me from opening more than one window.Tintor2 (talk) 00:43, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The only problem I'm seeing is appearences in other media, so far there really isn't much that isn't directly related to Dragon Ball. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  00:45, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * But that isnt related with WP: Notability, is it?Tintor2 (talk) 00:47, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Its still important for fictional characters, as it helps establish notability. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  00:49, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, but most series like Bleach and Naruto dont have that kind of stuff and the notability is justified with the reception. By the way, I remember that Naruto's author, Masashi Kishimoto, said that his favourite character from DB was Krillin, but I can't find that. Tintor2 (talk) 00:53, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Both Bleach and Naruto character articles indeed have these sections, and while yes, notability is justified with simply a large enough ammount of reception from a variety of reliable third party sources, appearances in other media sections are always in good character articles. DBZROCKS   Its over 9000!!!  00:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * This article has the appearances in other media, and while most of it is about Dragon Ball, that is the type of section the Naruto and Bleach articles have.Tintor2 (talk) 01:00, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Additional information about conception and creation is also needed. I don't know exactly where that could be found however. DBZROCKS  Its over 9000!!!  01:03, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Me neither, I only know about why gi was orange just like Goku's. It seems Toriyama didnt reveal too many things about the creation of characters.Tintor2 (talk) 01:09, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Oppose merge. After taking a look at the new reception and other media sections, I think that it is more than evident that Krillin is notable. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  06:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Support merge Becomes a secondary character as the series progresses. Does not have enough info on reception or creation ... Yamcha article had more creation and conception and reception data and was erased. SSJ 5 (talk) 22:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Importance in the series is not something needed to have an article. Most of the Yamcha's info from conception and reception were original research and contained unreliable sources.Tintor2 (talk) 23:31, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * "OTHERSTUFF" is never an argument for deleting or merging an article. Supporting Krillin's merger only because Yamcha was merged too is not an argument. How much is "enough info on reception and creation"? Who determines that? As Tintor has pointed out, the creation and reception sections in Yamcha's article were mostly OR, while Krillin's clearly pass verifiability. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  16:46, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Enough info is at least 30% of the entire page. And how is OR bad (And not most of it was OR btw, only a portion, and only a couple of sources were unreliable)? Also I fail to see where Krillin is mentioned in some of the refs (for example http://www.mania.com one)? Also one of the main arguments of the ppl supporting the merge was "he was not important later in the series" ... Good grief. SSJ 5 (talk) 01:03, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Then read better. When was OR good? What merge are you talking about? The one from Yamcha?Tintor2 (talk) 01:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Rules of the wikipedia are not to be taken in all seriousness ... A large quantity of articles have OR and they are doing just fine. And yes, I'm talking about Yamcha article. Also, I am reading the ref and I can't find Krillin in the article. SSJ 5 (talk) 01:13, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * They are doing fine? An article must avoid OR if it has to pass a GA review. If the content is not sourced, it should be deleted.Tintor2 (talk) 01:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Yamcha article passed GA with OR. I don't see the problem. SSJ 5 (talk) 01:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It seems the reviewer was not very experienced.Tintor2 (talk) 01:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Can't comment on that, but one would think that Wikipedia chooses its staff carefully. As I said not all rules are to be blindly followed. SSJ 5 (talk) 03:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The GA reviewers were not chosen by anybody. In the GA page nominations, it says the reviewer can be anybody who has not worked in a nominated article, but they must follow the GA criteria, which it seems it did not follow causing the article to be delisted some time later.Tintor2 (talk) 15:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: there is important information here that must not be ignored: first, as I've already said, the argument "because we have/don't have an article on X, then we must/must not have an article on Y" is not valid in deletion and merging discussions, in other words, Yamcha not having an article is not an argument for merging Krillin. Second, which Wikipedia policy or guideline states that a reception section must be "30% of the entire page" in order to avoid merging? And finally, Yamcha's article was not merged while being a GA: it first losed its GA status and then it was merged because of the vast amount of OR and lack of clear notability. -- LoЯd  ۞pεth  18:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The article lost the GA after a fight over it by some folk, I won't go into it, and gained GA status while it contained OR. Two or three people approved of it (as a GA), now that I remember. Notability was discussed heavily and it was decided that it was not important enough to spot us from making a good article. But please enough about this; its not the subject here. SSJ 5 (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Then why did you bring it here? Otherstuff is not a valid argument.Tintor2 (talk) 19:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * We've gone into deep discussion of Yamcha's article and OR. That's why it needs to stop. And I don't see this Otherstuff anywhere as Wiki official policy. Provide a link please. SSJ 5 (talk) 21:35, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Tada. If you want to keep discussing OR, start a discussion at the wikiproject which is more suitable.Tintor2 (talk) 21:49, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I didn't use that exactly, but I see that I was misunderstood. I tried to say that Yamcha had more info, and was deleted, and thus Krillin, with much less info, should be erased too. I wasn't arguing overall importance of characters or articles (I'm tired of it, to be frank). Anywayz, I'll take the OR to AM project page. SSJ 5 (talk) 23:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No problem. By the way, if you get some reception that could be used, you could start a discussion to rebuild Yamcha's article.Tintor2 (talk) 00:34, 21 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, cool. I'll give it a shot. How to I get the info from the previous page? SSJ 5 (talk) 01:01, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Reception dispute
"In a review for the Broly Triple Feature, Matt Rox stated that he did not understand why Krillin appeared to be the only character to fight Broly in all three movies." - cannot find review - link reference does not work - just watched Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan because of this and Krillin never fought Broly in it. Needs to be removed. False information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.89.242.227 (talk) 10:50, 2 April 2011 (UTC)


 * That was my fault. The statement was suppose to say "Krillin appeared to be the only character not to fight Broly in all three movies". Also in the future please put all new discussion you create at the bottom. Thank you. Sarujo (talk) 15:43, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Title
Should the title not be Kurririn instead of Krillin as that was his original name in the manga ie the source material — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eggilicious (talk • contribs) 09:01, 28 February 2012 (UTC)


 * There's the issue with common name that dictates that we have to use Krillin as apposed Kurirrin. That's why the Goku and Gohan articles don't use the Son surname. Sarujo (talk) 15:57, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Kuririn?
Pretty sure his english name is Krillin in the anime and Manga. As far as I can tell, Wikipedia uses the english names if one is available in the original source material. I'll move it if no one has a reason not to. Magicksthefool (talk) 23:27, 21 April 2015 (UTC) 23:21, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Not a mistake, the official English version of the manga spells it Kuririn. Xfansd (talk) 23:40, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

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