Talk:Krillin/Archive 3

Name Pun
The current information (Kuririn = Kuri (chestnut) + Lin (from Shaolin) is just speculation, I think. Unless there is a reference for this information, it should be removed.  I don't think there is an obvious explanation for Kuririn's name (although regarding the chestnut part, in one picture drawn by Toriyama, Son Goku and Kuririn were riding motorcycles, and Kuririn's motorcycle hub had the kanji for kuri (栗) on it, and Marron is obviously related to chestnuts).

Edededed 04:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Kuri is correct. You even see it again in Neko majin, where Kuriza has a chestnut-shaped head. I've never heard of the lin thing though. I've never even heard of the name as Kurilin, tho technically that would be an ok way to romanize it. Onikage725 21:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually I just found out that "Krillin" is an almost perfect romanization of "Krillin". First of all, the Japenese letter "r" is the equivalent to the English "l". In the cases of double letters, such as "ll" it can be translated in Japanese to "rir". As for the Japanese "ru", this is the equivalent to the English "r". That makes the name "Kuririn" pretty much translates to the English "Krillin".

Also, Kuririn is basically putting two names together kuri is chestnut in Japanese, I believe and from the explanation given in the previous paragraph, the Romaji translation to "Shaolin" is "Shaorin" (pretty much a no brainer). So "Kuririn" would translate to "Chestnut Shaolin" (or probably vice versa, I'm not sure) considering you use the "Shaolin" part as a name, not an adjective. In any case, "Kuririn" is either two words in one, or even a portanameau, and "Krillin" is the romanized spelling of "Krillin" (By the way, I know which issue it is when Akira Toriyama drew Son Goku and Kuririn riding motorcycle hubs with Kuririn's motorcycle having the 'kuri' kanji on it(栗). It was in the English translated manga Dragon Ball Volume #11 and the story was "Goku vs Kuririn:Round 2" or probably Round 1 or Round 3, but it's definitely in that volume, and to be honest, I found all this out today). Uglyguy2006 22:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Again, isn't this speculation? Of course, one can surmise that Kuririn's name MIGHT consist of Kuri + (Shao)lin, but unlike many of the other punny names in Dragonball, Kuririn's name's meaning is not obvious to a native Japanese speaker.  For example, perhaps Kuririn is just "chestnut" + a funny sound...  I don't see any proof either way.  As for some of the other points...


 * Kuriza doesn't seem to be related to Kuririn, so I don't think he can be used as an argument for or against the meaning of Kuririn's name. (Also since Kuririn's head does not look like a chestnut.)  Note that in Dr. Slump, there was a character named Kuribashira, who had a huge chestnut for a head, but this doesn't prove anything with regards to Kuririn.
 * Although Toriyama's motorcycle picture does show kuri (栗) on Kuririn's motorcycle, this does not necessarily prove that that is the meaning of Kuririn's name (although it tenuously supports it); for example, in this case, Son Goku has an obvious kanji to use on his bike, but Kuririn does not - Toriyama may have jokingly chosen "kuri" for lack of a "standard" kanji for Kuririn. (This is speculation, too, but I am saying that we don't know the reasons behind anything.)
 * Note that nobody in Japan really knows that Shaolin is called "Shaolin," since the kanji (少林) are pronounced "Shorin" in Japan.
 * The Japanese "r" is not really equivalent to either the English "l" or "r"; and "rir" doesn't exist as a sound in Japanese, either. In any case, I would defer to Toriyama's own romanization of Kuririn's name (he used it in the Japanese comic several times).


 * This is an encyclopedia, so if it is just speculation, we should take it out. Edededed 01:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not saying he's related to Kuriza, just showing Toriyama's trend. He tends to name his characters after foods, for one thing. You'll have to give me time to dig, but the whole Kuri thing has been common knowledge in fandom for a very long time now. I've never ever heard the shaolin thing, though I suppose it makes sense. Still, I can't comment on it, cuz it is completely new to me. Oddly enough, if you just want a source, the R. Talsorian RPG commented on Kuri-chestnut I believe. As a fan, I'm loathe to use that for anything regarding canonicity, but if we're just looking to source the article...well it is technically officially licensed by and collaborated with the anime distributor. I believe it is in the first book, under the "Krillin" bio. There's a section called "In Translation" where it goes into original names and puns on the characters. Onikage725 03:16, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Mmm - well, after thinking about it for a while, Kuririn's having a daughter named Marron is pretty good support for the "chestnut" meaning, since we can see that many families in Dragonball have a theme for names (I'm sorry, but I am not familiar with "R. Talsorian?" - also, I have never read the English books, mostly only the Japanese versions, although I did see some on TV in the US). I guess the big problem is really the Shaolin meaning part, which I can't really find any support for.  Edededed 01:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about not finding proof for the Sholin bit but for you to say that part of Kuririn's name is purely speculation shows lack of education on your part. Do you really think I would make all of this up for for the sake of an article? Are you trying to tell me that the Japanese "r" can't be romanized into the English "l"? You have a lot to learn, pal. First of all, I did not just look at the the said character's Japanese name then look at his English name, and sudddenly assume that the letters replaced are equivalent. I said Krillin was a close romanization of Kuririn. Also I'll use another example to verify my point. Arale's romaji name is "Arare". And I'll used non-manga charcter examples if you want. Based on my resources, "Michael" (which is my real name), translates to "Micheru" in Romaji. Here's a source not for Dragoin Ball names but Japanese translation of names, which I think is quite decent as far as sources go (but I might be wrong): [www.angelfire.com/super/karenval/java6.html] There you go. If you look at the the English "l" when it would verify my point. I've even got more examples so again, I don't know what you're talking about (No offence, again. But if you've got a good point without showing just you're own opinion and understanding, bring it forth). Even your "Shorin" argument puts evidence to my point. No offfence, but I really don't know what you're talking about. And on "rir", Isn't Kuririn spelt "K-U-R-I-R-I-N"? If you're saying that "rir" is not a sound, then why would Toriyama bother naming him Kuririn? Doesn't make sense (Or do you think he named him Krillin first?).

Also, the fact that that the "Kuririn" is not an obvious pun on chestnut is not obvious to a native Japanese speaker just proves that first, the pun is not obvious. And second, Akira Toriyama is an intelligent man, and is an expert on puns. Again, on Dr Slump, the character Kuribashira shows even more evidence that "kuri" is translated into "chestnut". What? Just because Kuribashira, Kuririn and Kuriza are not related, so they can't be puns on chestnut? Well, think about just one thing: They're all different mangas! Two of them are joke mangas! Even Onikage pointed out there was a book on the charaters giving translations (even though it's not necessarily very canon) The kanji on Kuririn's motorcycle (Goku vs Kuririn: Round 1) would not be there if his name wasn't a pun on it, and by arguing on Kuririn's name not being a pun on "chestnut" or "Shaolin", you're saying his name is not a pun, which is virtually non-existent in terms of Dragon Ball character names. Also, Goku in Dragon Ball Z Graphic Novel #3 on first meeting Kuririn said: "Your head looks like a chestnut!" to which Kuririn took offense. This is not speculation. You're argument was not thought out very well. What you're asking for is sources. If want sources just ask for them, instead of just saying it's speculation, primarily based on your lack of knowledge and threatening it's removal. I did my reserch. Try looking at Romaji on the Internet, or encyclopedia. And please take time to think about your argument, and the points someone else would make. If you've got evidence that disproves my point, bring it up, but as it stands, Krillin is a romanization of Kuririn, and the "kuri" means chestnut. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uglyguy2006 (talk • contribs) 13:29, August 28, 2007 (UTC) Sorry about that. I retract my two previous statements about "l"'s and "r"'s in Romaji and their translations. I meant to say that the Japanese "r" sounds similar to the English "l". But the statement remains that "Kuririn" romanized to "Krillin" is a close romanization. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uglyguy2006 (talk • contribs) 18:23, August 28, 2007 (UTC)


 * Whoah, calm down - not trying to fight or anything, just trying to have a sane discussion here. Just a few things - number one, the site that you linked is, well, wrong.  For example, inputting "Jonathan" returns "Jonafunu" (wrong).  Also note that "Micheru" is NOT the Romaji spelling of Michael.  As for "rir", well, it can exist as part of "Kuririn," but not independently (ask a Japanese person to pronounce "rir" and you will get "riru").


 * Anyway, I was already convinced about the "kuri" = chestnut part, so... I am really only doubting the Shaolin part at this point.  Edededed 01:31, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Forumish... ok
Google test for Krillin vs Kuririn in english leans about 5 to 1 in favour of Kuririn... however, when we add the words dragon ball the odds shift to 10 to 1 in favour of Krillin. WookMuff 00:58, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

WookMuff 20:27, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Krillin's Techniqes
I think we should have a couple of krillin's techniqes on this page does anyone agree? Yea or Nay. Prince Of All Saiyans 15:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Krillin's marriage
In the controversy of whether or not Krillin is married to 18, I've decided that he is based on the Main Characters Page found in vols 21-26 of the Dragon Ball Z manga. (I'm new at this and forgot to post an edit summary and I don't know how to get it back on there, any help would be appreciated.) Anyone who tries to revert this edit must give a neutral, verifiable reason why the Main Characters Page of the DBZ manga as published by Viz Manga can't be used as a source before I'll back down on this. Please do so in this discussion and thank you for your time. -- K9feline (talk) 20:47, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


 * What controversy? Everyone knows that they're married. --Ryu-chan (Talk | Contributions) 20:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to Talk:No. 18's discussion page at the bottom and you'll see what this is about.-- Darth G (talk) 22:19, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Soon as No. 18's article is unprotected, I will cite the same data there as I did here. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 23:29, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Nose
Shouldn't it be mentioned that, unlike almost every other character, Kuririn has no nose?71.114.71.169 (talk) 05:13, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


 * It used to before all this recent shortening of articles occured. -- RattleMan (talk) 05:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * In episode 21 of DB, it specifically states that Krillin has no nose, hence was able to beat a fighter who used smell as an attack. I never realized it until it was pointed out ... looks weird.

-G

Kuririn's blast through Vegeta
One thing that really confuses me is that, when Vegeta told Kuririn to blast him through the chest during the battle with Freeza so he could get stronger due to his Saiyan genes, why would that blast even hurt Vegeta in the first place? It was obvious that Vegeta was way stronger than Kuririn since his first appearance in the Saiyan Saga. Oh, and maybe Kuririn blasting Vegeta should be mentioned in the article. Son Gohan (talk) 11:57, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * One can always lower his power level. And, no, it should not be mentioned. SSJ 5 (talk) 00:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That's true. ANY character can be killed by a knife or bullet if they allowed it. Goku, for example, powered down is just as vulnerable as any human. This is showed throughout all three series.

-G