Talk:Kristin Chenoweth/Archive 1

Old Navy
Isn't she in Old Navy ads? Should something be added about that?


 * Just added the note about the Old Navy ad appearances now! Amchow78 05:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Aaron Sorkin
I've heard Kristin was also once linked to Aaron Sorkin and now one of the characters on his new show(Studio 60) is possibly based off of her. http://scottevill.blogspot.com/2006/07/evill-preview-studio-60-on-sunset.html

Kristin is great in Wicked, even though I didn't see her, I saw Kendra who was #2 to Kristin68.196.121.7 23:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)Lalalalad Kristin was also a lead role in Candide, the PBS special in 2004, I think. She was Conegonde. Anyone with more info? -player2

Headline text
HEy everybody I think have wikipedia is great but thy did not mentoin on what talks she has been on like on jay leno and she has also been on the martha stewarts show twice but am not sure when and has been on nso much others shows just to clear that out of the way thanks and bye-bye

Yah, she's also been on the Megan Mulally Show,  Rosey O' Donnell,  and The View. Look on you tube just type in "Kristin Chenoweth". P.S.  I have also posted on Nicole Bocchi,  Julia Murney,  and a couple others i forget. P.S.S. I am trying out for the part of Young Simba soon on Broadway  Wish me luck.68.196.121.7 23:27, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think talk show appearances are really necessary. Theater, television and film would really be the focus on an encyclopedic article. Otherwise, we'd have to make a notation every time someone left their house. NickBurns 18:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Fantasticks
On the Fantasticks page it says that at one point Kristin was part of the production, does anybody know anything about that? --kralahome 03:08, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Annie
Wasn't she in the disney version of 'Annie' to=? she played Lilly i believe.

Singing in Pushing Dasies
I can confirm that she sings in an episode of Pushing Daisies, as I just saw it on the television. I'm not certain what episode it is, however, but the lyrics seem to be around "hopelessly devoted to you" and the likes. If anyone can determine which episode it is, you can add it :) HelmarocQueen 00:36, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Yup, she sings "Hopelessly devoted to you" in the second episode :) Omgplz (talk) 20:14, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually she sings in multiple episodes.Nrswanson (talk) 19:45, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

favourite quote
From the West Wing: Allison Janney (6') walking alongside Kristin (4'11") stops, looks down, and says "It's hard to believe that we're the same species..." 87.112.78.252 05:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

11/14/07 Nice text about Chenoweth but no reference to her work in Candide. Why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.76.224.12 (talk) 10:20, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Height - shapely
With regard to Pushing Daisies, the two male leads are tall, over six feet. Kristin is quite a bit shorter -- how short? And the part is played somewhat risque -- is this typical of her work? (It does seem to go with her figure.) -69.87.199.23 (talk) 02:24, 12 December 2007 (UTC) Kristin is 4'11" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Myturntobebrave (talk • contribs) 23:22, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Linkfarm
Are all these ext. links necessary? Maybe some of them contain information that should go in the text, and then they could be used as references in the text instead? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:57, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Coloratura soprano?
I understand that Kristin has a degree in opera performance, but I wonder if she actually is a coloratura soprano because that describes classical singing, and I have only heard her or of her singing Broadway/musical theatre roles.

RE: She has a masters degree in Opera Preformance. That should be on here already, and if its not then it should be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.137.3.158 (talk) 08:06, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

Picture
Hello, everyone

I found this picture of Kristin Chenoweth on Flickr. http://www.flickr.com/photos/vandal_cossack/991774269/ I'm not sure if it's rights work for us - someone with greater knowledge on the subject might have a look. I think you see her better than in that pic with the dog and Mrs. Bush. Comments on that? Best regards, -- Plum couch  Talk2Me 22:04, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Sorry that photo is copywrited and won't work. Although the current photo of Kristen would probably look better if it were removed from the info box and made larger so you could see her better. When using Flickr you should search in advanced search with the option clicked on "Only search within Creative Commons-licensed content". This will prevent copy writed material from appearing. Nrswanson (talk) 22:14, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Hey,
 * thanks for the quick reply - I just thought because you are free to share it if we attribute, don't use it commercially, and don't alter it, it's okay. Anyway, I keep searching for one. Regards, -- Plum couch Talk2Me 19:13, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

Difficulties with Meiniere's disease are missing from the article
On an interview on Fresh Air on 2009-04-16 she mentioned having Meiner's disease, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%A9ni%C3%A8re%27s_disease but the article doesn't mention this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.39.49.234 (talk) 17:58, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * seconded, i heard about her disease on the fresh air show as well. came here to see what it was because i forgot the name! found it odd it wasn't here:)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.30.76.41 (talk) 04:23, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

Charie McDowell
Is Kristin still dating him? She made a comment/joke at the Tonys about her relationships not lasting long, and her relationship with Charlie had been deleted from her article. 71.66.230.44 (talk) 02:45, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Nominations
What happened to her nominations? It just shows the awards she won. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think it should show both the awards she won and the ones that she was just nominated for. Sk8inpunk362 (talk) 15:40, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Her height, better place for this?
The flow of 'Early Life' is kind of choppy. The information about her height is out of place. Putting it after the "... pursue a career in musical theatre.[8] " leaves it hanging.CygnetFlying (talk) 18:34, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Put it after the mention of the song "I'm Four Foot Eleven...." - Jason A. Quest (talk) 02:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Great idea, done.JeanColumbia (talk) 12:17, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Fraiser
What about her role on Fraiser? That is where I first encountered her. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.238.159.98 (talk) 06:06, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Being given a Tony Award is a peacock term?
I have to disagree with this. An actor or actress' notability may well hinge on professional awards such as Tonys or Oscars, whether awarded or nominated. However, I also see the logic in removing such references from an article's lede, even though mhy own editorial instincts rebel against it. In short: recommend reinstating reference to her Tony Award; to comply with the cleanup efforts described at WP:ACTOR, suggest adding it to the second paragraph, so it maintains a recognizable position but doesn't actually occupy the lede. --Alan (talk) 00:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I rephrased it. It should not be used as an adjective.  It's better to say that, for a particular role, someone won a Tony Award, Olivier Award, etc., and I think it's perfectly ok in the lead the way it reads now.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Newsweek letter
Is the fact that Chenoweth commented on a blog really that notable? It's not as though that makes her Grand Marshall of the Pride March. Should we look forward to an update the next time she sends a letter to the editor? 69.27.233.254 (talk) 13:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure if it's notable. It got a lot of buzz in the blogosphere.  Someone put it in, so I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt for now.  More importantly, this article is certainly not complete, and I think there is probably a lot of information that ought to be covered here that isn't, but I'm not a Chenoweth watcher.  If you're a Chenoweth fan, it would be great if you would do the research and write more about her life, career and critical reputation.  I suggest that you register an account.  See WP:WHY for a list of the advantages to registration.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:11, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * I'd lean toward keeping it in, because it relates to Chenoweth's established role as a outspoken supporter of gay rights (which, as the article already noted, has both earned and cost her fans), and because it has made its way into media like The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times.--Arxiloxos (talk) 17:41, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * It makes me a bit gunshy, not because of the subject matter, but because of recentism.  If it had been added a couple of weeks from now I'd be a lot more comfortable, even though some might argue that in a couple of weeks nobody would care...or maybe because of it.
 * Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they AREN'T out to get you, you know... --Alan (talk) 23:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

I think we should leave it there for now, for the reasons mentioned by Arxiloxos, in addition to the extensive buzz in the blogosphere. We can reconsider in a few months. As I said above, instead of arguing about this point, let's expand the article and then see if anything needs to be trimmed. There are hardly any descriptions of, or quotes from, reviews of Chenoweth's shows! -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Birth name
I know it's been hashed and re-hashed many times over the past few months, but it's surprisingly missing from the Talk page, so...her birth name is Kristi Dawn Chenoweth. She took the stage name "Kristin" at the suggestion of one of her professors, if I recall her interview on Fresh Air correctly. And with that said, perhaps now we can finally get people to quit changing her birth name in the infobox! (Forgive me if I don't hold my breath. Blue isn't my color.) --Alan (talk) 00:28, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Tony Awards, 2010
Just to clarify what happened at the 2010 Tony Awards ceremony, I doubt that Chenoweth "fell over" from Ménière's, as an edit today put it. Per Liz Smith, "And his [Sean Hayes] byplay with co-star Kristin Chenoweth was just magnificent. When he corrected her as she began a Tony thank-you speech, informing her she hadn’t won anything and hadn’t even been nominated, her semi-faint onstage was just adorable. She also looked great!" (from ). Also, from []: "Best pratfall (intentional):Chenoweth, who took a tumble in the name of comedy and “fainted” upon hearing the news that she wasn’t even nominated for her performance in Promises." Probably just a good sight gag.JeanColumbia (talk) 17:22, 15 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree. It was clearly a gag.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:45, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Dorthoy of OZ 2010
According to the current Dorthy of OZ website Megan Hilty has been cast to be the "China Doll" along side Lea Michelle. (www.dorothyofozthemovie.com) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.156.137.226 (talk) 18:18, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Potentially libelous?
In the career section, the article says that Chenoweth turned down a scholarship to do porn. The source quoted does not mention this anywhere. In my opinion, this sentence should be edited - as this is a slanderous statement! -- 118.90.70.106 (talk) 09:09, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * The vandal edit by IP 75.12.144.175 has been removed; thanks!JeanColumbia (talk) 09:47, 18 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think it was vandalism or slander. The person was obviously confusing me with Kristen.  My porn career is really taking off now, and since I look so much like Kristen, it is easy to see where the confusion came from.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:50, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No, you are "the very model of a modern Major-General".JeanColumbia (talk) 15:14, 18 June 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL! True enough.  But I respect porn performers and very much enjoy the singing.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 17:36, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

WP:Recentism
Just my opinion, but I think that some of the new material added suffers from WP:Recentism. I would try to add the information that will likely continue to be important to a reader of Chenoweth's article in 10 years. -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:12, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
 * I apologize for adding recent events. I added possibly more than is required re the New Years Eve concert & the Promises contract, so as to give the full story. I agree the reading should take up a small amount of space, we do not know if it is important as yet, but I thought you in effect asked for it to be there with your edt sum asking for a better ref. Sorry again, I will leave the article in your good hands from now on. JeanColumbia (talk) 21:46, 14 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Please don't apologize. It's not an exact science, and your instincts are probably better than mine!  I think it's reasonable to mention the reading, but I think it's good to keep it brief (obviously there will be more to say if it turns into a production).  As for the Promises contract, it seems to me that the important thing is that they continued to perform until the end, rather than the question of whether it was part of the original contract or not.  All the best!  BTW, please don't leave it in my hands - you wouldn't want to doom our readers to that!  :-)   -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:22, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Does anyone know if the Ryan Murphy tv project is dead? I wonder if we should delete mention of it, since it seems that Chenoweth is apparently committed to a new show? -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:06, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, this seems to be pretty dead.. Deleting per WP:CRYSTAL. -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:19, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Four-octave vocal range
This sounds like nonsense to me. Extremely few singers have a usable range of more than three octaves; most of the songs she performs have a tessitura of about one and a half ocatves. It's a factoid that doesn't deserve such prominence in the article, anyway. And yes, if she's a 'coloratura soprano' she might be able to hit F above high C, but saying this sounds a bit tryhard. Bitbut (talk) 22:40, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It doesn't sound outrageous to me. The point being made is that she has an extraordinary range.  Do you have any evidence as to whether or not it is true?  By the way, you are not using the word "tessitura" correctly, which makes me think that you don't know what you're talking about.  What do you mean by "tryhard"?  BTW, F above high C is not unusual for a soprano, although I agree that a four octave range is unusual.  Also, just because a person *can* sing a high F doesn't mean she *should*.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:16, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * From personal experience, most vocalists have a working range of two and a half to three octaves. Notable exceptions (although definitely not describable as coloratura sopranos) include Sandi Patti, Geoff Tate and Rob Halford. --Alan (talk) 23:37, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

She just did a fantastic job on the National Anthem prior to SF vs NY Giants NFC championship game. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 23:43, 22 January 2012 (UTC) She sang the high note at the end, and they went a fourth above that.

National anthem
Chenoweth talks about singing the U.S. national anthem here. She mentions that she has sung it for home games of the Florida Marlins and San Francisco Giants, in addition to those listed in the article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:58, 23 January 2012 (UTC)
 * It was great to hear a patriotic and beautiful rendition of the national anthem at the NFC championship game. She is a beautiful soprano and millions appreciated seeing and hearing her on TV. Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 21:08, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Good Wife
Both Chenoweth and CBS have indicated that she may be back when she feels better. She has been tweeting about her recovery, but I don't think there is any further encyclopedic info at this time. -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:23, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

BFA in Musical Theatre
This is probably just a small oversight, but OCU doesn't offer a BFA in Musical Theatre. Their Musical Theatre program is a BM. I would change this myself, but I don't know anything about editing main articles. The offending sentence is under the early life section Sources: 98.162.206.218 (talk) 04:29, 19 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for the info, but none of these references says what degree Chenoweth earned or what degrees the university awarded at the time that Cheno graduated. I changed it to the less specific "Bachelor's degree".  If you can find a WP:Reliable source that says that she got a BM degree, I will happily add that.  In the NPR interview, she just said that she got her "undergrad" degree in musical theatre.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:40, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

I'll see if I can find one that explicitly states that it was a BM, but OCU only has one undergrad MT program, and it's most definitely a BM. In addition, Dr. Florence Birdwell is a fully tenured professor, and non BM degrees aren't allowed to take vocal lessons from the main voice faculty at OCU. If I can't find it, then having it just be a bachelor's degree isn't a bad thing. Chenoweth herself appears to prefer that nomenclature.

98.162.206.218 (talk) 04:03, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Fan site
KristinChenoweth.net is a fan site unrelated to Chenoweth or her management. Aren't fan sites disallowed as reference sources? --209.122.114.237 (talk) 18:46, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Pronouns
In the process of condensing this article for use on another site, I was amazed at how often her name is repeated. Try writing "she" more often; we all know who the article is about. - Jason A. Quest (talk) 02:24, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

You don't know what she self identifies as. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:A000:1405:A06E:4903:92EF:57F6:6455 (talk) 09:40, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

Clarence Derwent Awards inclusion
I personally feel this is a notable enough award to be listed in the awards table. Best.4meter4 (talk) 01:25, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm glad you raised this issue. This award was given to Chenoweth for her performance as Sally, for which she also won the Tony Award and the Drama Desk Award, so it seems redundant. The Clarence Derwent Award is awarded by the members of Equity's eastern regional board, so it represents a much smaller cross-section of judges than, say, the Tony and appears to me to be far less prestigious.  Frankly, I'd like to delete the Outer Critics Circle Awards and the Drama League Awards, which are also less prestigious than the Tonys and Drama Desks (for example, the IBDB lists only those two awards, and the Theatre World Awards for newcomers).  The more minor awards we add into these tables, the less useful they are to readers.  I often find myself looking at award lists in Wikipedia articles and wondering which film and tv awards are meaningful.  As editors, I think we have the opportunity here to show readers which stage awards are truly meaningful.  I'd also probably suggest culling the film and tv awards, but I don't know enough about them.  If you look at List of awards and nominations received by Laurence Olivier, which is a Featured List, and also Laurence Olivier, which is a Featured article, you will see that the discussions of awards are very judiciously presented to focus on the awards that are the most prestigious ones.  Obviously Olivier received boatloads of less prestigious awards, but the editors of those articles drew a line that helps readers to focus on the most important ones.  If we want to move Chenoweth's article forward towards featured status, we should do the same.  -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:11, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


 * While I certainly agree that the Tony Awards and Drama Desk Awards are more high profile, the Clarence Derwent Awards are covered by the media (Playbill, Variety, The New York Times, etc.). In my opinion the award is notable enough to be included. I agree with everything else you removed. Best.4meter4 (talk) 02:24, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, let's see what others say. Hopefully we'll get some more people commenting. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:08, 13 May 2015 (UTC)


 * While I appreciate that Clarence Derwent Awards are notable in their own right, is thre anything particularly notable about Chenoweth winning the award in this specific instance? I tend to select the "top" award or two when writing about a particular role (or whatever) and ignore the rest. If a "lesser" award is the only thing won on a particular ocassion, then it may be worth including, but it seems overkill to have a long list of less worthwhile awards to detract fromthe cream at the top. - SchroCat (talk) 09:48, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm... my only contention is it seems odd to have the Category:Clarence Derwent Award winners on Chenoweth's page without this fact being included with a citation in the article. If the award is indeed notable enough for its own article and a category page then it should stay in my opinion. Best.4meter4 (talk) 06:20, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, in view of the more prestigious awards she has won this one can be left off the article. Jack1956 (talk) 06:06, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

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Newsweek article
Is the last paragraph in the personals section, about the Newsweek article, really necessary for this biography? It does not seem relevant to Chenoweth, and the article would be no different without the paragraph.Argentine84 (talk) 20:10, 30 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I think that the paragraph is relevant and adds encyclopedic content to the entry. It is about an article that was written by Chenoweth and shows Chenoweth's views on a topic that is important to her and gives the reader an insight on both her views and how she expressed them.  Plus, the article was discussed by numerous national major media outlets. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:08, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Coming Home Tour up for deletion
Can anyone add more sources to the article on Chenoweth's Coming Home Tour? Someone wants to delete it. -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:52, 5 August 2020 (UTC)