Talk:Kuala Lumpur City F.C.

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Don't redirected Kuala Lumpur United F.C.
Please don't redirected Kuala Lumpur F.C. to details of Kuala Lumpur FA because it is not the same. Please returned back Kuala Lumpur United F.C.

Thank you. Zackyusoff78 19:53, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Its the same club, and you did a copy/paste move, we dont need two articles with the same content just because they changed the name and ownership, if they would be a new club they would start at the bottom of the football pyramid, they inherited all statistics and honors of the previous club so its the same thing Snowflake91  (talk) 20:27, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * And you broke all the redirects by manually copy/pasting things in the first place, Kuala Lumpur Football Association is most likely not even notable to have an article, all articles that are linked to old Kuala Lumpur FA are club-related (players, managers, competitions etc.), and not association related, so no, you cannot simply copy/paste everyting around and change it a little bit. If you want, create a new article Kuala Lumpur Football Association (with reliable secondary sources, which would prove WP:GNG) and leave Kuala Lumpur FA redirect alone, it is used soleley for the club purposes. Snowflake91  (talk) 22:13, 19 February 2021 (UTC)


 * I made an article for the association now, the only linking to Kuala Lumpur Football Association right now is Football Association of Malaysia so its seems fine, while the players, managers, seasons etc. should link to Kuala Lumpur FA, which redirects to this page as its the same club. Snowflake91  (talk) 22:55, 19 February 2021 (UTC)

Merge
The User:Zackyusoff78 created new articles without any consensus or sources, for example this source confirms that it will be the same club, just renamed. Just because they change the ownership and the club's name, it doesnt mean we create a new articles for it. If this would be a new club they wont be allowed to play in the top division right away, they have inherited everything from Kuala Lumpur FA, so its the same club. This user even created two different articles with EXACTLY the same content (same honours section, same kits section, same seasonal tables, same list of managers etc. – literally copy/pasted the same content over two different articles), which is plain stupid. If we would do new articles everytime the club re-organise and re-register themselves, we would have like 3 different articles for Parma Calcio 1913 and 5 articles for Palermo F.C., among many others examples. Snowflake91 (talk) 15:33, 20 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge Kuala Lumpur United F.C. and Kuala Lumpur FA


 * There are more sources (1, 2) confirming that its the same club. The sources claim that:
 * "KL United FC have also retained the services of their Brazilian hitman, Paulo Josue, who has played for the team since 2017. The team was promoted to the 2021 Super League despite finishing in third place in last’s season Premier League."
 * The club formerly known as Kuala Lumpur FA made the announcement on their social media accounts";
 * So its pretty clear that this is the same club, just with a different ownership and a new name, like many other cases, so I will boldly merge the articles back, which were separated by this disruptive user without citing any sources, its CLEARLY the same club, new ownership doesnt mean we need two articles. Snowflake91  (talk) 10:44, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Requested move 21 February 2021

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. 

The result of the move request was: Moved  (t &#183; c)  buidhe  11:37, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Kuala Lumpur FA → Kuala Lumpur United F.C. – Renamed club since the privatization proccess, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 Snowflake91  (talk) 11:27, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page moves. GiantSnowman 12:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Support per nom and sources. GiantSnowman 12:39, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Request on Name and logo change
I would like to propose a request upon the page's name and logo as it was recently changed again by the club. The latest name would be "Kuala Lumpur 'City' Football Club as  written in the name change subtitle in the article. The sources of the change is cited from the official Malaysian league website and a news article.

I understand that this page had some problems in the past regarding the club's name, henceforth this request is being made to note every editor about the change.

Thanks for reading this Aimwin66166 (talk) 09:13, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

KLFA owns KL City FC but each has different president - Khalid Samad (KLFA President) whereas Annuar Musa (KL City FC President)
Dear all Wikipedians or editors, I have been seeing the KL City FC's President's name has been changed many times by editors & a lot of confusion online about which one is the real president of KL City FC. So, the following are my points (and proofs) to clear the misunderstanding & confusion:

FYI, the President of KLFA is Khalid Samad since November 2019 (until 2023) whereas the President of KL City FC is Annuar Musa since February 2021.

Annuar Musa was appointed as the President of KL City FC (previously known as "KL United FC" before March 2021) by KLFA & Khalid Samad.

To understand it & to see the proofs (reliable sources), please refer to all other sections later. I have to split the explanation into several sections in order to highlight each of the events.

Why there's a confusion & misunderstanding?
Some people did not know that the "KL City FC" (a football CLUB) is owned by KLFA. At the same time, they did not know that there are 2 entities (KLFA & KL City FC) and each of the organizations has its own president.

Here's what the President of KL City FC, Annuar Musa says in news / media on 30 Nov 2021 (Sinar Harian):
Source: Sinar Harian, 30 Nov 2021 (I chose several paragraphs from the news): PRESIDEN Kuala Lumpur (KL) City FC, Tan Sri Annuar Musa yakin dengan kemampuan barisan pemain skuad The City Boys yang bakal berentap dengan Johor Darul Ta'zim (JDT) pada final Piala Malaysia di Stadium Nasional, Bukit Jalil malam ini. "Pada masa sama, Annuar berkata, tiada magis dalam kejayaan bersejarah KL City melayakkan diri ke final pertandingan berprestij itu, sebaliknya prestasi terkini pasukan adalah hasil penambahbaikan yang dibuat secara teliti dan berperingkat." "Sejak saya ambil alih bersama Bojan (Hodak) saya dapat lihat prestasi KL City meningkat secara beransur-ansur. "Kita buat secara berperingkat dan segalanya diuruskan secara profesional. Saya tak campur soal pengurusan atau syarikat, cuma memberi nasihat berdasarkan pengalaman saya," katanya. Full Article : https://www.sinarharian.com.my/article/175337/BERITA/Sukan/KL-City-miliki-kualiti-tersendiri Master of Books (talk) 12:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)
 * There is still Kuala Lumpur Football Association article, state-owned local amateur club by the KLFA is not notable, so thats why there are no two articles - KL City FC officially took over all history of the Kuala Lumpur FA club (thats why they won 4th title, not 1st), so it was just renamed, its the came club but rebranded. Snowflake91  (talk) 12:33, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I just edited my talk above because I did not aware that the article about the state association's football club is still exists as a different article.
 * Master of Books (talk) 12:51, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

This reliable news source, states a fact that KLFA owns KL City FC:
Source: Berita Harian (Bharian.com.my), 30 Nov 2021:

Quote: Perkembangan itu dimaklumkan Presiden Persatuan Bolasepak Kuala Lumpur (KLFA), Khalid Abdul Samad yang menjelaskan beberapa pihak sudah menyatakan minat untuk menjadi 'tauke' baharu pasukan itu yang ketika ini masih dimiliki KLFA. Katanya, rundingan sedang dijalankan dengan entiti berpangkalan di Lembah Klang dan untuk itu, KLFA enggan mendedahkan sebarang maklumat lanjut mengenainya.

"'Ya, sudah ada (pihak yang berminat) tetapi kita tidak boleh katakan siapa cuma buat masa ini, KLFA masih lagi pemilik KL City FC. Beberapa pihak itu tidak semestinya (terbabit dalam bola sepak) kerana mungkin pembabitan mereka lebih kepada promosi atau tanggungjawab sosial korporat (CSR)." Source URL (Full Article): https://www.bharian.com.my/sukan/bola/2021/11/893688/saham-kl-city-melonjak Master of Books (talk) 12:39, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes...and? Nowhere in Wikipedia article is it mentioned who is the owner of the team anyway, it just says that "the club was founded in 1974 by the Kuala Lumpur FA". President of the club is Annuar Musa, which is confirmed by multiplte reliable sources including this one from yesterday, so whoever is the president of the Kuala Lumpur Football Association is completely irrelevant to this article, because this article covers the professional (privatised) club, not the association. Snowflake91  (talk) 12:46, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I've added to the infobox that KLFA is the owner of the club, and that Musa is the president of the club, which is both supported by new reliable sources. Snowflake91  (talk) 12:55, 1 December 2021 (UTC)


 * Okay. Great. But I think we should add an infobox about Khalid Samad as the President of KLFA in "Kuala Lumpur Football Association article" so that when readers click the KL City FC's owner's name (which is KLFA in a hyperlinked text), they will be directed to the article and clear their own confusion about which one is the President of KL City FC.
 * Master of Books (talk) 13:08, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

Khalid Samad was chosen as the President of KLFA since Nov 2019 (until 2023)
Source: Sinar Harian, 24 Nov 2019

Title: Khalid dipilih terajui KLFA
Quote: MENTERI Wilayah Persekutuan, Khalid Abd Samad dipilih sebagai Presiden Persatuan Bola Sepak Kuala Lumpur (KLFA) dalam kongres ke-32 persatuan itu, hari ini. "Beliau dilantik sebagai presiden KLFA selepas menang tanpa bertanding pada pemilihan bagi kerusi itu yang kosong sebelum ini sekali gus menyaksikan Ahli Parlimen Shah Alam itu akan menerajui persatuan sehingga 2023."

Source URL (Full Article): https://www.sinarharian.com.my/article/58869/BERITA/Sukan/Khalid-dipilih-terajui-KLFA Master of Books (talk) 13:14, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

KLFA & Khalid Samad (President of KLFA) appointed Annuar Musa as the President of KL City FC - FEB 2021:
Source 1: VocketFC, 26 Feb 2021:

Title: Tan Sri Annuar Musa Dilantik Sebagai Presiden Kuala Lumpur United
Quote: "Kelab Bola Sepak Kuala Lumpur United (KL United) semalam mengumumkan Menteri Wilayah Persekutuan, Tan Sri Annuar Musa sebagai Patron dan Presiden kepada pasukan itu berkuatkuasa serta-merta." Source URL (Full Article): https://www.vocketfc.com/tan-sri-annuar-musa-dilantik-sebagai-presiden-kuala-lumpur-united/

Source 2: MalaysiaDateline, 30 Nov 2021:

Title: KLFA: Dari pasukan tercorot Liga Super ke perlawanan akhir Piala Malaysia
Quote: "Atas dasar itulah, selepas tidak lagi menjadi menteri apabila kerajaan Pakatan Harapan dijatuhkan melalui Langkah Sheraton, sebagai Presiden KLFA, Khalid berusaha dan bersetuju melantik Tan Sri Annuar Musa, Menteri Wilayah Persekutuan ketika itu sebagai Presiden Kelab KL City." Source URL (Full Article): https://malaysiadateline.com/klfa-dari-pasukan-tercorot-liga-super-ke-perlawanan-akhir-piala-malaysia/ Master of Books (talk) 13:19, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

The Name of "KL United FC" changed to "KL City FC" in March 2021:
Source 1: Berita Harian / BH Online, 4 Mar 2021

Title: Kuala Lumpur United tukar nama saat akhir
Quote: "Walaupun hanya tinggal sehari sebelum saingan Liga Malaysia (Liga M) musim ini membuka tirai, Kuala Lumpur United FC sempat menukar nama pasukan itu kepada Kuala Lumpur City FC."

"Perkara itu disahkan Liga Bolasepak Malaysia (MFL) yang mengumumkan kelulusan pertukaran nama dan logo skuad warga kota, hari ini."

"'MFL meluluskan pindaan nama dan logo pasukan Liga Super 2021, Kuala Lumpur United FC kepada Kuala Lumpur City FC,' jelas MFL dalam kenyataan ringkas di laman Facebook mereka hari ini." Source URL (Full Article): https://www.bharian.com.my/sukan/bola/2021/03/792685/kl-united-tukar-nama-saat-akhir

Source 2: Stadium Astro, 4 Mar 2021

Title: Kuala Lumpur United tukar nama lagi
Quote: "Sehari menjelang sepak mula Liga Malaysia 2021, Kuala Lumpur United FC dilaporkan telah menukar nama dan logo rasmi pasukan mereka." "Dalam kiriman terkini laman Facebook rasmi Liga Bolasepak Malaysia (MFL), badan pengelola itu mengesahkan bahawa skuad Warga Kota itu kini akan dikenali sebagai Kuala Lumpur City FC sambil memaparkan satu logo yang dijangka akan menjadi lambang baru pasukan itu." "'Liga Bolasepak Malaysia meluluskan pindaan nama dan logo pasukan Liga Super 2021, Kuala Lumpur United FC, kepada Kuala Lumpur City FC,' kata MFL." Source URL (Full Article): https://www.stadiumastro.com/bola-sepak/kuala-lumpur-united-tukar-nama-lagi-185888

Source 3: '''New Straits Times. 6 Mar 2021:'''

Title: Fans in a flap over KL's name change
Quote: "LESS than 48 hours before their Super League opening match against Penang, the name of KL United FC was officially changed to Kuala Lumpur City FC."

"Not only did the City Boys change their name, their logo was also given a 'facelift', and it now bears similarity to the Kuala Lumpur City Hall (DBKL) crest, mainly the tiger."

"However, the changes did not sit well with KL fans, with some questioning Federal Territories Minister Tan Sri Annuar Musa's involvement in the squad, which they claim, has led to the changes. Last month, Annuar was invited to be KL City FC president." Source URL (Full Article): https://www.nst.com.my/sports/football/2021/03/671361/fans-flap-over-kls-name-change Master of Books (talk) 13:29, 1 December 2021 (UTC)