Talk:Kuching/Archive 1

Etymology (Origin of Name)
Doesn't Kuching mean "cat" in Malay? It could be mentioned in the article ... zeno 15:02, 20 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * Think the "cat" issue is properly explained now. Think the entire section is lacking a lot though. Anyone else actually a Kuching resident (past or present)? User:Sojourner 02:22, 2 Aug 2005 (GMT)


 * I am a kuching resident. The actual word for cat in malay is "Kucing". There are few stories on the name Kuching came about. Some say the word actually means "market" in another dialect.


 * The etymology section has been re-written, based on a Sarawak Museum publication. Any other versions of the etymology must be cited when inserted in the section. This is an encyclopedia, not a bedtime storybook. CoolCityCat (talk) 09:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

PoV
The article contains a fair bit of interesting information, but it's hardly encyclopedic. Anyone with more time on their hands than me want to go through and take out the conversational style? Preferably someone with some pre-knowledge of the place (I'm only visiting the page because the modern Delpic games are being held there right now). sheridan 11:23, September 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * Why not. I could be of help since I'm a resident of the city. But I don't have the time. Matthew A. Lockhart 13:52, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

The Lead section (Introductory text)
I find this paragraph to be full of opinions.. perhaps more at place in a magazine or discussion board and not an encyclopedia...


 * Last time I checked, it's no longer there. I agree that the tone of any sentence in the article (or any article in Wikipedia except for quotations) should not reflect opinion. Thanks for pointing it out, though. CoolCityCat (talk) 09:25, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Name of City Hall
Please don't change Kuching North City Hall to North Kuching City Hall and likewise for the South version. It was correct the first time and was not a typo. It's the official name and spelt that way on their website. Xess 21:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)


 * For your information, the usage of the name 'City Hall' only refers to the headquarters building and used by the media to refer to the administration, such as the 'White House' when referring to the United States administration. According to the City of Kuching Ordinance 1988 (Revised 2002) (Chapter 48, Laws of Sarawak), the official and legal name for the administrations are the Council of the City of Kuching South (MBKS) and the Commission of the City of Kuching North (DBKU).


 * In addition, DBKU is not a local authority and does not have the same powers as vested in MBKS. DBKU is created to lessen the burden of MBKS of developing the seemingly large and less densed area of Kuching North. User:CoolCityCat|CoolCityCat]] (talk) 10:41, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Map
Can we change to a normal map please? Firstly, we're using a copyright image when there are free alternatives, and secondly a tourism brochure does not look appopriate for an encyclopedia. Borisblue 07:49, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Aye. But until someone who can make a map comes along, we probably need to grab the CIA Worldbook Map of Malaysia and just place a dot to show where Kuching is. Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 16:01, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

City size
According to Cities of Malaysia, Kuching is the 7th largest city. __earth (Talk) 11:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Infobox
I'm trying to make all Malaysian cities to use Template:Infobox City since it's cleaner. But for Kuching, since it is actually two cities, life is a bit complicated. So, I've removed the logo and the flag placeholder =(. Maybe we should split this page into N and S Kuching?


 * The info on North and South are too insignificant to require two articles. And Template:Infobox City is for use on US cities! (Check where the State link in the infobox links to). I still prefer the Kuala Lumpur-look infobox.– Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 17:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Got that repaired. It's not necessarily US cities though. That was just customizable nature of the template. __earth (Talk) 18:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Gotcha. But I'm still against using Template:Infobox City, since Kuching is made of two city administrative areas and a slight change to the template can really screw this article. Perhaps a template for Kuching itself, in order to keep things clean.


 * By the way, can you show me the source where it says that Kuching was established in 1855?– Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 18:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe we could use Template:Malaysian city instead? About 1855, it's a mistake. I copied and pasted the code from JB. I was redoing template for Johor Bahru and JB was established in 1855. So, I forgot to update the year. __earth (Talk) 03:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I've made a new template, modified from the original and am using it at this page. I've included the two insignias. __earth (Talk) 03:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Kuching area size
BTW, is Kuching really 4,559.55 km2? That's huge! __earth (Talk) 15:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Last time I checked, Kuching is bigger than Perlis. Perhaps the area includes those under the Kuching North City Hall, which stretch all the way from the city center to Santubong. See this.– Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 17:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I dont think Kuching is THAT big! 4559.55 km square will make Kuching bigger than London! Greater London as defined by the Greater London Authority is only about 1500km²! Anyone from the Land and Survey Dept that will have more concrete data? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 222.153.58.81 (talk) 08:37, 7 December 2006 (UTC).


 * the figure is actually for the whole Kuching Division. the division has 3 districts: Kuching (1,863sqkm), Bau (884sqkm), and Lundu (1,812sqkm): total 4,559sqkm. kawaputra  08:56, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Sanyan Buidling in Kuching?
Please do correct the statement that the Sanyan Building is in Kuching. Sarawak's tallest building is in fact situated in Sibu.


 * It was a work of a vandal. The pre-vandal'd version has been restored. __earth (Talk) 01:59, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Too Wikitravel-ish?
This article seems to much like a Wikitravel entry. Consider this: Borisblue 05:29, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Sister cities
Does Kuching has any sister cities? Mike86 11:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Transliteration (Language)
What is the basis of adding other languages on this page? __earth (Talk) 07:48, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I do not believe there is one. My reasons for opposing:
 * San Francisco has 'minority majority', with Chinese consisting 31% of the population. But there is no Chinese script in the article.
 * Your point of 'all the sign boards of road names are printed in Chinese' is false. Have you actually seen all the road signs in Kuching? Are you a resident of Kuching?
 * 'Penang and Ipoh also have their chinese name printed clearly on the page too'. This is the English Wikipedia. It is not too hard for someone to look at the 'In other languages' box at the left column to find out what it is in Chinese/whatever. As for Chinese tourists, which Wikipedia will they be most likely to visit? ZH Wiki, of course. And you don't actually need to go to ZH to check, it's in the left column.
 * The issue of Jawi scripts usage has been discussed in my talk page and Zack2007's talk page. I believe, however, since the usage of Jawi is (so) low it shouldn't be added to an article, but could be mentioned in passing in the introduction.– Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 10:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Strictly speaking, unless Mandarin is an official language of Malaysia/Sabah/Kuching, there is no need to include the Chinese name in the article. We've had similar debates before on other articles such as Malaysia, and IIRC the agreement is that we only use the official name(s). Thus, even Jawi probably has a stronger claim for inclusion in the article, since Jawi is an alternative script for Malay, which is the official language of Malaysia. I've removed the Chinese name, and am about to do the same for Penang and Ipoh. Johnleemk | Talk 12:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Malay language is the official language of Malaysia. It has two forms of scripts, the Roman script and Jawi script. So Jawi as heritage should be included. (Please do not put it in the Lead section as it will clutter it. WP:LEAD instructs us to have the clearest and simplest lead section possible. I propose that all cities and states (including districts) in Malaysia should have the Malay language (Roman and Jawi scripts) and English translation (if any). For other than that (i.e airports, places etc), having English and Malay (roman only, as it will be too much and long to include jawi) are sufficient. For ZH favouritists, if it is allowed, then many other languages will be popped up in the future. Keep it as simple as possible. --Zack2007 12:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I was born and raised in Kuching for more than 20 years. Not all road sign boards include the Chinese names. As I've mentioned earlier, there is such a demand to include Chinese names in these few pages, like Kuching, Penang and Ipoh as there are more Chinese residents than other ethnics. San Francisco, as you mentioned, only comprises 30 percent of Chinese, which means it's not the majority etnic staying in that city. The road names of Kuching has been printed in chinese long time ago since the British were here. Before the formation of Malaysia, Kuching's road names were only printed in English and Chinese. But after that, they were printed in Malay and the Chinese transliteration remained as the number of Chinese residents are more than other ethnics in the city. Matthew points out the rignt thing This is the English Wikipedia. It is not too hard for someone to look at the 'In other languages' box at the left column to find out what it is in Chinese/whatever. So why the Chinese characters are being removed? If you were to ask me to include Chinese names in Kelantan state which have more Malays, I would say that it's unnecessary. I include the Chinese names in these few necessary pages of Malaysia as I forsee the importance of the inclusion of it as the Chinese are undeniably playing a vital role in Malaysia, whereas adding a few more important and useful languages would bring a lot of benefits to the viewers.Mike86 3:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You are missing my point. Since Kuching is already available in other scripts at the 'In other languages' toolbox, I see no need in repeating the same thing in the article. As johnleemk has said, a similar debate has taken place over the Malaysia article, and the consensus is to use and only use official name. 31% of Chinese are a majority in San Francisco, since other ethnic groups have a smaller percentage. Finally, pay a visit to the MBKS website. You will see no Chinese names of Kuching in there.– Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 07:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * And I see no Jawi script in the page too, and not even Singapore itself has used her other official languages in their webs except English. [[User:Mike86|Mike86] 8.03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Jawi script
As noted, Malay is the only official language in Malaysia. Malay has 2 scripts - Latin and Jawi. That is the basis of putting Jawi in the infobox (only). This is also a means to standardize all the cities, districts, and states of Malaysia (in the infobox). --Zack2007 14:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


 * But what if Malay language actually has 34 different scripts, do we have to include it all just because it's the official language? Putting the Roman script is already enough. Malaysians didn't learn the Jawi script in Bahasa Melayu classes. Only Malays/Muslims learn it in religious classes, if I'm not mistaken. Even that many Malays, I believe, don't even know how to read and write in Jawi after they have grown older. Plus there is the Wikipedia in Bahasa Melayu, the usage of Jawi script will be very appropriate there since it's the alternate script. My 2 cents.-- kawaputra 09:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps if we put Jawi scripts in the places within the states mentioned in the article below the it would be more appropriate:

-- kawaputra 09:27, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Malay has only 2 scripts. It is to be put as a heritage of Malay language. Doesn't matter if it is now rarely used in a wider context. I just want to stress that it is still a part of Malay language, and as a means of standardization for name of places in Malaysia, Jawi script should be included (only in infobox). --Zack2007 10:38, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * But theres not much heritage in there as most of the alphabets originated from Arabic, not from any SEAsian land (correct me if I'm mistaken). It's only glorifying Arabic influence on the Malay language IMO. -- kawaputra 16:07, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Talking about heritage eh? Long time ago, Malay was a purely spoken language. There is no single writing system adapted. And then, came Sanskrit writing, but that is very limited to a few religious scripts. When Islam came to SEA, then everything starts to change, Arabic script was adapted and Jawi script was created, and then many knew how to write. That's why we can find many artifacts about Malaya in Jawi. If you talk about it as glorifying Arabic, then what do you call Malay language in Latin script (would you call this as a result of glorifying Western/Portuguese colonisation?). That is why I stress on Jawi as the alternative script in the infobox (for places). It is at the end Malay language anyway. About the government policy of teaching it only in religious context, I myself do not agree. It should be open for all Malaysians. So sad. --Zack2007 17:17, 20 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi again. Re:Above
 * When I say heritage, I meant something unique coming from our lands (SEAsia/pentas sunda/etc), not from Arabia.


 * As a Malaysian, I would really love to preserve my/our heritage. Although I'm not Malay, I admit Bahasa Melayu is part of my heritage (whether you like it or not) because I was born, raised and still living in Malaysia. But Jawi is not my heritage. It might be yours, that is cool, but I was not taught about it, nor was I expected to know of it.


 * I think your basis of including Jawi is weak. You yourself mentioned above to "keep things as simple as possible", so we just eliminate what is not necessary, including Chinese scripts. Furthermore, like you said, Jawi is the alternative script. It's not even the official script.


 * I think you are more interested in pursuing your personal agenda to promote preservation of the usage of Jawi. I respect that, but think of the hundreds of languages in East Malaysia already extinct. All in the name of Bahasa Melayu, our national language. So please, if you want to promote the preservation of the script do it somewhere else, eg. Kuching (I see no Jawi there at all. How come?)


 * I might accept the inclusion if at least two other contributors here agree with you, and also give a better basis of inclusion. I'm sorry but this is just how I feel. I might be taking this a bit too seriously, but nvm la. Heee. Till then. -- kawaputra 11:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Vote: Is Jawi necessary?
In view of this, I would like everyone to vote.

Is Malay Jawi script necessary to be included in the infobox for the Kuching article? Please justify your answer.

Let see what others want to say. I am willing to hear many opinions ok. :) --Zack2007 15:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep. My arguments:
 * Malay is the official language of Malaysia. Malay language has two scripts, Latin and Jawi. Whether you like it or not, many government official writings did use jawi, i.e. many states emblems such as 50px, [[Image:Coat_of_arms_of_Negeri_Sembilan.jpg|50px]], 50px etc. Jawi is a part of Malay language. As WP:UE warrants that native language can be put as a native language, Jawi script (as Malay) should be together in it.
 * If let say we be selective and say that only some cities should have Jawi script, and some should not, then it will look messy. This is by means to standardise so that all states and cities of Malaysia should have both Latin and Jawi script for their names (plus English if applicable).
 * Don't rule this because you don't like it. Whether you learn it or not, the truth is, it is Malay in jawi script. I am not trying to act against you or holding any grudge. This is wikipedia, not some place to vent your emotion or your personal life. Stick to the official ok.


 * yes, this is a good idea. i would further suggest that any outcome reached here we can also apply to other cities or places in East Malaysia if there is no objection :)


 * Delete. My arguments:
 * there already is a malay translation in latin script in most cities, airports, etc. this is the english version of wiki.this is to keep things as simple as possible and eliminate what is unnecessary (eg alternative scripts).
 * it is just an alternative script, not an official script. the (minimal) usage in malaysia only seems to carry historical and perhaps aesthetic value.
 * putting jawi would be more appropriate in the malay version of wiki. http://ms.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laman_Utama
 * jawi is not learnt and understood by many malaysians. this is even more apparent in east malaysia. sabah n sarawak is different from peninsula. the circumstances in which we joined m'sia in '63 should be considered.
 * the cultural link between East malaysia/malaysians with Jawi is very weak. if not, almost non-existence.
 * current score: 1-1. peace out.-- kawaputra 08:00, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete
 * As said above, what is written in Jawi script is the translation of the Malay name in Roman script.
 * Even if we use Jawi under WP:UE, there will be no end to people trying to add in other scripts and other languages - like Chinese, Indian, even Iban. Not to mention that Jawi, even with its native/widespread status, doesn't see widespread use.
 * As per kawaputra, Jawi is appropiate in MS-Wiki.
 * My opinion is that all Malaysian-related articles should only use Jawi when Jawi is related to it - such as Utusan Melayu. – Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 06:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete
 * Allowing Jawi does not help the aim to remove all other irrelevant languages off Malaysia-related article English Wikipedia. In fact, the inclusion of Jawi encourages it. It's easy for others that are for the inclusion of other languages to ask, "why Jawi is included but the rest is not?" and then use that as a justification to include other languages. - __earth (Talk) 07:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I was asked for my opinion, but I'm really neutral on this - this is really just a tempest in a teacup to me. I'm okay with Jawi being in the article, but I'm also okay with it not being there. Jawi is a script of the official language of Malaysia, so it has a stronger claim than Mandarin or Tamil, but not necessarily an equal claim with the Roman script that dominates Malay - that's my position. Make of it what you will. Johnleemk | Talk 08:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually im not so sure if Jawi Script is really necessary to be included in the page. However, i think Kawaputra is somehow right that Sabah & Sarawak is very different from the west Malaysia since the agreement of Malaysia Formation in 1963 was being inked. Sabah & Sarawak may have some politically differences from the West Malaysia as well as the immigration control of West Malaysians to Sabah and Sarawak. Being a resident of Kuching, as i have been raised up here for more than 20 years, i never see a Jawi Script was being used in the city. As i have said Kuching is unique from other cities in Malaysia where it is the only city in Malaysia with road names printed in Chinese/Mandarin. Besides, Jawi Script was only compulsory to Muslims where there is a large number of Malaysians cannot read the script, this is one of the points. Besides, Jawi Script has never been utilised in Malaysia where it is only utilised in Islamic teaching. These are my comments about this issue. I think only certain states or cities in Malaysia deserve to have Jawi Script, such as Kelantan, Kota Bharu, etc. Mike86 7:57, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Its ok with me to keep the Jawi spelling. But I think one jawi character is currently missing at point of writing this. I have no problem with keeping Mandarin as well but there is a problem with Mandarin - if you use it in Kuching you will need to add it for Sarawak - and you have a few spellings for that. How I like it spell might not be how you would like it. -NA-


 * It is not true that Jawi is only utilised in Islamic teaching. There are lots of good novels written in it.
 * Keep Since the argument is turning into political and religious issues, than keep JAWI. It will help to promote Malaysia as a multi-cultural nation. yeah! Mariahofborneo 13:58, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Mariahofborneo, i dont agree with your argument. If we were to promote Malaysia as a multi-cultural nation, then Jawi is not the only one should be included, Mandarin, Tamil, Arabian should be included too. Besides, im talking about the utilisation of the Jawi in terms of politic, public usage, etc. Mike86 14:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As I have said, I don't mind having Mandarin or any other scripts. I do read Modern Chinese, Kana, hiragana, simple Indian script, plus Hebrew. Scripts are beautiful - art. For Chinese Scripts (which I referred to Mandarin), I just don't agree with the choice of characters used - how you spell it in those languages. Unlike Jawi which is straight-forward, chinese characters come with meanings. Example: Mariahofborneo can be spelled in Chinese characters to mean Beautiful King Horse of Borneo or just plan Beautiful Borneo or some other meanings. Koprendo?Mariahofborneo 17:08, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Well it seems obvious what the consensus is. East Malaysia only adopted Malay is its official language about 20 years after the Peninsular Malaysia. So I guess that is why Jawi has not much influence over there. I guess it only fair to say here that let put the Jawi script off the east Malaysia's article. Agree everyone? --Zack2007 14:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC)


 * yes i agree. thnx for being understanding mate. salam kenal :)-- kawaputra 11:04, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Filming location
Hi, guys. I hope somebody could help me to expand the filming location section. thanks. Mike86 3:40, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think that's necessary.– Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 19:15, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Mike86


 * Eonco here; I've just added more stuff into the Kuching as film locations section. Hope you find it useful.


 * I think the filming location is too much advertisement / travel guide like. I dont think it is necessary in the first place. --Zack2007 06:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your input Zack2007.


 * I beg to disagree because I have met many people who actually wants to know more about Kuching as a film location and details of which movies were actually shot here. Sorry if you don't happen to be one of them.
 * Many places can become filming locations. KL has been in numerous filming shots so does Paris (even more than Kuching), neither have the section on the filming locations. So tell me why Kuching must have an exclusive section on this? --Zack2007 11:58, 7 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I think Kuching is gaining her popularity and being attracted by many film makers to make their ways here to shot their films. And the latest one is Bollywood. Kuching is simply incomparable to Paris or London or Los Angeles where such cities have long been popular chosen to shoot films. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mike86 (talk • contribs) 01:35, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

Some comments
I passed by this page as I've created an article on the POW and civilian internee camp at Batu Lintang, Kuching, which I wanted to link to this page. I was surprised to see that the history section devotes more space to speculative discussion on the origin of the name 'Kuching' than to the actual history of the place - and that there was no mention of the WW2 Japanese invasion at all. Reading the article you'd think the Brooke dynasty ruled uninterrupted right through to 1946. I've changed what I have knowledge of, but I'm sure Kuching has a huge amount of interesting history that is begging for someone in the know to expand.

A lot of the comments above still stand with the article - it's too conversational in tone and reads like an advert in many places. The filming locations section is ridiculous: totally non-encyclopaedic, badly-written and full of PR-puffery and information that has no place in Wikipedia. Try IMDB instead. Jasper33 14:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I found an article today from thestar-bernama about Kuching history. i think this can be useful to expand the history section. never knew kuching is quite rich in history. the article. kawaputra  06:55, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You might be interested in the book Sarawak Long Ago, published by DBP. The author's name escaped my mind at the moment, but it is an excellent reference for Kuching/Sarawak since it was written in 1969, when things are still the way they are.– Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 08:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * ya. that should be an interesting read :) kawaputra  09:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Kuching district - some data found
Some data i found from councils' website. Kuching district (1,863sq km) is administered by 3 local council:
 * Kuching North City Hall(DBKU): 369.48 sqkm; pop: 133,600
 * Kuching South City Council (MBKS): 61.53 sqkm; pop: 143,500
 * Padawan Municipal Council (MPP) (formerly Kuching Rural District Council): 1,431.82 sqkm; pop: 306,000

population figures from respective councils. official (stat.gov.my) population estimate (2006) for whole kuching district: 580,000. world gazetteer: 634,517 (2007- calculations). interesting map: kuching district kawaputra  09:11, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * When was the last update of the councils' website? Also, could you point me to the page where you got Kuching's population at [www.statistics.gov.my]? Not that I'm doubting you, it's just that the sites are quite hard to navigate... – Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 08:41, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * i dont know when the website was updated. about stats.gov, unfortunately they dont provide data online. they only have publication for sale. i have a free small booklet from stats dept. titled "Basic population characteristics by administrative districts - 2006", Department of Statistics, Malaysia. these are really simple data with no ethnic distribution etc. these are their estimates based on 2000 census. apparently they only have census once in 10 years. if anyone need to know district population and area size, let me know. kawaputra  09:05, 22 March 2007 (UTC)


 * If you have a look at Sarawak State Government's website, there is a small program (in Malay) which shows the some of the Statistical data for Sarawak. The Population for Kuching, based on the 2000 census, is 495,996. Until the next census is taken, I think we should use this number. I feel the population figure of 579,900 as quoted in the side box is too speculative. Yes, Kuching may feel like a city with more than 500,000 people, but until the next census is done with more concrete data, I feel that we should use the 2000 data.


 * The figure of 579,900 is estimated by the Statistics Dept of Malaysia. They based this on the 2000 census and used some sort of formula to project the estimate. Since it is done by an official government body, i dont see any problem in relying on that figure. Plus next census will probably only come in 2010. kawaputra tok2me 15:41, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Historical buildings
Hi, guys. I've read the news where there are numerous buildings in Kuching have been listed as historical buildings. I think we should list them down here. What do u guys think? Mike86 02:24, 13th July 2007 (UTC)

English grammatical errors
Hi, i just realised there are many english errors in this site. ive corrected few at demographics. i believe there are more, i hope this site could be revamped. thank you. Mike86 09:45, 1st August 2007 (UTC)


 * Under Future and Current Developments, on the Proposed Upscale Hotel bullet: The line, "This planning design proposal is prepared for the approved layout plan..." is not understandable. Someone please fix Xess (talk) 04:44, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

Comments
Hi, just some thoughts on the article. The history section seems awfully short, especially compared to the large and rambling section on the origin of the city's name. While I'm in the business of throwing out my opinions, I also think film section is too long to be warranted, and focuses too heavily on Hollywood production; the Future and Ongoing Developments is also too long. I agree with previous comments about the Transportation section being written too much like a travel guide. There are also comments and asides in the article that are NPOV (such as recommending that readers visit all the museums in town), and some awkward sentences. I can volunteer to expand the history section in the next few weeks when I have more free time if no one else is doing that already. Also, I'm a decent hand at Illustrator so I can draw up new district maps if given the right source material, if people think that is necessary.

And BTW yes I'm a Kuching resident. Bigheadjer 05:25, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Please do so, good sir. I have pretty much given up on this article.– Matthew A. Lockhart (talk) 03:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi Matthew, I can probably get started on something after the weekend is through. Thanks. Bigheadjer 04:03, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ong family?
Someone enlighten me please, why is the Arts, Entertainment and Culture section taken up by a whopping 90% about a particular Chinese surname of a family? Shouldn't there be other better things to include as far as arts, entertainment and culture is concerned? I am a Kuchingnite but I don't see much extent of 'Ong family' dominance here that deserves that much coverage in that section. Unless I'm missing something. Limshenghan 06:01, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Haha. O dear. I dont think these people satisfy the notability criteria of wikipedia. I think some (if not all) info there should be removed. Sorry, im abit lazy now. Maybe someone else can do it. Even u can it Limshenghan. :-) ќמшמφטтгמ torque 06:27, 28 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I've read this and I find this particular section completely irrelevant to the rest of the article. Whoever added this should create a new Ong family Wiki article instead. Deleted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Macdyne73 (talk • contribs) 12:42, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Kuching being the fourth largest city in Malaysia, so is Ipoh. Please revise.
As stated in the above headline, both Ipoh and Kuching are the fourth largest city in Malaysia. Should anyone find out the definite position of the fourth largest city in Malaysia, please make proper amendments to both Ipoh and Kuching page. Thank you. Naed yeo (talk) 04:02, 16 August 2009 (UTC)