Talk:Kulala

Alagodi
What is the citation for "Alagodi" supposed to be? I'll fix it if someone can tell me what the book is. - Sitush (talk) 12:34, 7 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Found it by checking what other articles the contributor has been involved with. It is this but, yet again, the source does not support the statement. Removing. - Sitush (talk) 13:55, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

BLP violation
I removed a person from the "Notable people" list here because the source does not show him self-identifying as a Kulala. This is unacceptable per our policy relating to living people. You can read more about this at User:Sitush/Common. - Sitush (talk) 12:40, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Other sourcing issues
I've removed some other poorly sourced statements also. For example. Edgar Thurston was a Raj administrator and is not reliable, while the "states" series of The People of India has been deemed to be unreliable in discussions at WP:RSN (mainly because it mostly plagiarises the Raj authors and often without even attributing it). - Sitush (talk) 13:23, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

Kulala page
Dear Sir ,I request you to give edit option for the K ulala page. Thank you Roshani kulal (talk) 16:47, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * The limitation on editing has been put in place due to repeated disruption. Feel free to propose changes to the article here but bear in mind that they will not be accepted unless you provide reliable sources and/or you adhere to the information given at WP:NPOV regarding neutrality. Thanks. - Sitush (talk) 17:07, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, and you probably should read WP:SOCK first also. We are aware that there has been some canvassing on a caste discussion forum. - Sitush (talk) 17:08, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

thank you sir Justmangalore (talk) 01:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)

Most of the information in this page are wrong Tamilan pugal (talk) 11:04, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

Hi
Yadavahistory.com you can refer this page for more information regarding kulal Roshani kulal (talk) 17:16, 12 January 2018 (UTC)


 * That is not a reliable source. No caste-affiliated website is. - Sitush (talk) 17:40, 12 January 2018 (UTC)

Reference book does not contain word kulala
@admin i referred the book and nowhere i can find the word "kulala " or Moolya in it.It is not a valid reliable source for this particular page.youcan check it. Justmangalore (talk) 07:44, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * It says: "The potter (kulala) belongs to the lowest stratum, the sudras", etc on p. 7. - Sitush (talk) 08:03, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * My concern would be that the source does not capitalise kulala and thus might be using it as a generic word for potter rather than a specific word for the caste. I can find no other reliable sources that appear to mention this community so I guess that the article should be considered for deletion unless someone else turns something up soon. - Sitush (talk) 10:06, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I've found another reliable source now that does indeed confirm the traditional occupation as potters etc, and can be used for expansion. While the "states" series of The People of India has been deemed to be unreliable in discussions at WP:RSN, the "national" series, published by Oxford University Press, was simultaneously deemed to be ok. - Sitush (talk) 16:09, 23 February 2018 (UTC)

Admin : I understand you are trying to give proper information but end of the day we are humans. My humble request don't highlight the word sudra in any community. As a editor we have to highlight what they did rather what they faced. Tamilan pugal (talk) 02:06, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not an admin but that doesn't matter. It is a simple policy issue - please read WP:NOTCENSORED. - Sitush (talk) 20:03, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

Possible plagiarism
I have found this article in The Times of India but have grave doubts about using it as a source. It seems quite clear to me that the writer took information from our own Kumbara article, which was unsourced at the time and remains so today. To use the ToI article as a source here now would be to create a circular reference. - Sitush (talk) 17:15, 23 February 2018 (UTC)
 * I have strong reservations about usage of any Indian newspaper as a source in caste-articles and am generally always skeptical about their accuracy in fact-checking etc.Scholarly sources are always better and by a mile. ~ Winged Blades Godric 16:29, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Moolya
Moolya is a community found in South India. The people belonging to this community are traditionally Mud Pot Makers. The community was highly respected for its simplicity, hardwork and for their sweet nature.

There have been prominent Moolya's in the past like "Gora Kumbhar". One of the most repected devotee of 12 century. The saint was ardent devotee of Lord Vithal.

Moolya's are also present in significant number in South Karnataka,specially in Manglore. They have a community hall in suratkal called "KULALA BHAVAN". It was built by a Moolya from Mumbai — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.199.243.25 (talk) 14:23, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Traditional occupation
Hi - I like to edit this page since I don't have a permission to edit because this page is fully protected

If some one help me to modify 2nd paragraph on this page.

Original : The traditional occupation of Kulala people is making pottery, although in the present day their occupations also include government service and wage-labour.

Modification needed: kulala people are called artisan and they make potterys, although in the present day most of them are merchants and they has their own terracotta shops.

Additional Modification in see also Remove : Kumhar

Modification : kuyavar pottery

Admin - Definitely I will get question like reliable source from you.

Even there is no source that they are working as a government service and wage labour.

Kindly help me to these modifications.

Thanks in advance Tamilan pugal (talk) 20:32, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 17 May 2021
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 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:15, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 May 2021
X/ The traditional occupation of Kulala people is making pottery, although in the present day their occupations also include government service and wage-labour.

Y/kulala people are called artisan and they make potterys, although in the present day most of them are merchants and they has their own terracotta shops.

X/ Kumhar

Y/pottery 117.241.219.28 (talk) 09:20, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: Please provide reliable sourcing for this, as the statement currently in the article is sourced. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:16, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi ScottishFinnishRadish -

I don't see a single article says kulala words related to pottery.As per india government record kulala caste issued only to potters in south india (Kerala, tamilnadu, Karnataka, Andhra Pradesh)

But I can assure that, in india we called potter as artsian and they make clay pots,idols etc. They also involved in trade aswell. Since they need to sell their pots and idols to the customer

Check out this below website in india usally they will call Potters as a artisan.

Even I tried searching multiple articles in internet I didn't see that potters are working in government service and wage labour.

So please do remove that sentence in the article. Tamilan pugal (talk) 15:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

https://www.setufairtrade.com/artisans/pottery Tamilan pugal (talk) 15:10, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Kindly help me to construct this article in right direction Tamilan pugal (talk) 15:11, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Please check this article

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342152556_Pottery_production_and_trades_in_Tamil_Nadu_region_new_insights_from_Alagankulam_and_Keeladi_excavation_sites Tamilan pugal (talk) 15:41, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Potter's are involed in trading aswell Tamilan pugal (talk) 15:42, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 May 2021 (2)
X/ The traditional occupation of Kulala people is making pottery, although in the present day their occupations also include government service and wage-labour.

Y/kulala people are called artisan and they make potterys and idols. kulala people are called artisan and they make potterys and idols.Also they have involved in trading.

X/ Kumhar

Y/pottery - best related topic than kumhar

Reliable source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/342152556_Pottery_production_and_trades_in_Tamil_Nadu_region_new_insights_from_Alagankulam_and_Keeladi_excavation_sites

Proof that they were called as Artisian: https://www.setufairtrade.com/artisans/pottery Tamilan pugal (talk) 19:22, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Corrected error in the previous message.

X/ The traditional occupation of Kulala people is making pottery, although in the present day their occupations also include government service and wage-labour.

Y/Kulala people are called artisan and they make potterys and idols.Also they have involved in trading.

X/ Kumhar

Y/pottery - best related topic than kumhar Tamilan pugal (talk) 19:25, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I am waiting for your response. Let me know if need some additional details. Tamilan pugal (talk) 12:43, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The suggested text is nearly unintelligible and definitely not an improvement. The only desired change seems to be wanting to have a caste labeled as "artisans" but this is not an improvement.  Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 17:14, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2021
Kindly go through the below article.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/44139025?seq=1

It clearly mentioned that Kulala people are treated as a craftsmen and they has terracottas shops.Also involved in trade aswell. Below modifications needed in the article

X/The traditional occupation of Kulala people is making pottery, although in the present day their occupations also include government service and wage-labour.

Y/ Kulala people traditional craftsmen and they make pottery. They has their own terracotta and terocotta figurines were also traded. Tamilan pugal (talk) 09:59, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Still not understandable and still not an improvement. Eggishorn  (talk) (contrib) 17:05, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 July 2021
Under Distribution

In Karnataka they speak both Tulu and kannada language and are also known as kumbara and Kulala.[10] They use the title Shetty.

Kulalas don't use title " Shetty" Abhijith anchan (talk) 12:31, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 August 2021
தமிழ் பேசும் குயவர்கள் ஆகிய நாங்கள் முன் காலத்தில் இந்து குயவர் என்றே எங்கள் சாதி சான்றிதழில் இருந்தது. தற்பொழுது அது இந்து குலாலா என்று மாறி விட்டது. இந்த பக்கத்தில் தமிழ் பேசும் சிலர் என்று குறிப்பிடபட்டுள்ளது. இது முற்றிலும் தவறானது. நாங்கள் ஆதி காலத்தில் இருந்தே வாழ்ந்து வரும் ஒரு மிகப்பெரிய சமூகம். தயவுசெய்து எங்களை தெலுங்கு ஆட்களோடு சேர்த்து வரலாறை மாற்றிவிடாதீர்கள். ஆதி தமிழின குயவர்கள் வேளார்கள் (talk) 05:56, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. melecie   t  09:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ melecie   t  09:29, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 August 2021
Shetty is a different caste. Don't associate them with Kulal. 2409:4071:4D96:28D5:0:0:5109:960D (talk) 14:19, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 October 2021
Karnataka

In Karnataka they speak both Tulu and kannada language and are also known as kumbara and Kulala.[11] They use the title Shetty.

Shetty is altogether a different caste. So remove "Shetty"

Kerala

Kulala (Also known as Kulala Nair) community is found only in the Kasaragod district of Kerala state in India, where they have several exogamous gotras, including Banjan, Banjera, Salian and Upian.They use the title Nair.

Nair are Brahmins. So remove them. 2405:204:5321:3C48:0:0:DDE:50A0 (talk) 16:28, 25 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. It does not appear there is consensus for this change. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 11:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 April 2022
“Please Change Kannada, Telugu, Tulu, Malayalam to Tamil, Telugu, Kannada, Tulu, Malayalam” RBMBala (talk) 23:21, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:30, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 December 2022
Please resize etymology texts size.

and add the tag Exhistorian (talk) 03:35, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅  TG HL ↗  🍁 03:45, 2 December 2022 (UTC)